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Post by Brother Fease on Oct 16, 2022 17:37:30 GMT
This one is from South Korea and submitted for Best International Feature for the 95th Academy Awards. Park Chan-wook of Oldboy fame co-wrote, produced, and directed the romantic mystery film. The plot revolves a detective (Park Hae-il) who falls for the prime suspect (Tang Wei) in a murder investigation.
The reception for the film has been really strong, but at the same time, under the radar. 93% approval rating from Rotten Tomatoes. 7.3/10 from IMDB. 85/100 score from the Broadcast Film Critics. It won Best Director at the Cannes Film Festival.
Since 2018, the Academy has nominated at least one non-English speaking film (or mixed if we count Minari) for best picture. In the past, we saw films like Roma, Cold War, The Worst Person in the World, Parallel Mothers, The Two Popes and Drive My Car getting those "above the line" nominations.
What do you guys think of Decision to Leave's potential?
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 16, 2022 17:40:06 GMT
Just International Feature
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 16, 2022 20:58:49 GMT
I think it is very likely to get a Best Director nod tbh - it's arguably a masterpiece in its unique way - but inarguably it's just made immaculately - almost stubbornly. I'm definitely seeing it in BD ahead of Östlund who loses control (slightly) of his movie towards the end....not to mention he has a lesser type of movie that people could look past (or just reward in screenplay) DtL is all Park - it's a tour de force of direction really - the acting is great but not showy, the script essentially exists to be molded entirely by his directorial choices....several show off pieces including a staggering last act which people will study I bet AND is deeply afffecting just when you thought you didn't care THAT much......it's like a magician's trick Directors are going to deeply admire DtL the way they do Vertigo because it's um like Vertigo  - it needs to be watched twice - nobody who watches it twice will like it "less" either - after you see it, you can't stop thinking about it (or at least I couldn't).....it has a lot of the qualities that people often champion passionately in movies......  |
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 16, 2022 22:20:15 GMT
I think it is very likely to get a Best Director nod tbh - it's arguably a masterpiece in its unique way - but inarguably it's just made immaculately - almost stubbornly. I'm definitely seeing it in BD ahead of Östlund who loses control (slightly) of his movie towards the end....not to mention he has a lesser type of movie that people could look past (or just reward in screenplay) DtL is all Park - it's a tour de force of direction really - the acting is great but not showy, the script essentially exists to be molded entirely by his directorial choices....several show off pieces including a staggering last act which people will study I bet AND is deeply afffecting just when you thought you didn't care THAT much......it's like a magician's trick Directors are going to deeply admire DtL the way they do Vertigo because it's um like Vertigo - it needs to be watched twice - nobody who watches it twice will like it "less" either - after you see it, you can't stop thinking about it (or at least I couldn't).....it has a lot of the qualities that people often champion passionately in movies...... Bold take to assume the Academy will vote for what is 'objectively better' (which is dumb when it comes to art anyway). I think you're letting you bias wildly creep in here. Also let's not act like Triangle being a 'lesser film' (once again, silly take) matters, when someone like Adam McKay is a two time nominee. And coming from someone who has seen DTL, the whole "you can't stop thinking about it" angle, is wildly subjective. And before you mention Triangle being my #1, I'm not predicting Ostlund either. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 16, 2022 23:20:39 GMT
I think it is very likely to get a Best Director nod tbh - it's arguably a masterpiece in its unique way - but inarguably it's just made immaculately - almost stubbornly. I'm definitely seeing it in BD ahead of Östlund who loses control (slightly) of his movie towards the end....not to mention he has a lesser type of movie that people could look past (or just reward in screenplay) DtL is all Park - it's a tour de force of direction really - the acting is great but not showy, the script essentially exists to be molded entirely by his directorial choices....several show off pieces including a staggering last act which people will study I bet AND is deeply afffecting just when you thought you didn't care THAT much......it's like a magician's trick Directors are going to deeply admire DtL the way they do Vertigo because it's um like Vertigo - it needs to be watched twice - nobody who watches it twice will like it "less" either - after you see it, you can't stop thinking about it (or at least I couldn't).....it has a lot of the qualities that people often champion passionately in movies...... Bold take to assume the Academy will vote for what is 'objectively better' (which is dumb when it comes to art anyway). I think you're letting you bias wildly creep in here. Also let's not act like Triangle being a 'lesser film' (once again, silly take) matters, when someone like Adam McKay is a two time nominee. And coming from someone who has seen DTL, the whole "you can't stop thinking about it" angle, is wildly subjective. And before you mention Triangle being my #1, I'm not predicting Ostlund either. I didn't say that though ^ - I never said ToS was a lesser film than DtL - I said it was a lesser type of film.....I never used the term "objectively better" ..........and there's no reason to conflate "objectively better" and "Adam McKay" because not only wasn't that my point - it was never said by me anyway (?) ToS is done in such a way that encourages noticing what was written rather than at a directorial level imo. As for DtL and the "you can't stop thinking about it" thing - I mean, people have said that in reviews - it's done better in English speaking reviews post-Cannes.....I'm not making that up....... Trust me if I was letting my bias creep in here - I wouldn't nominate Women Talking for anything this year  - DtL is my #2 and ToS is my #4 atm - I'm a fan of both - but my assessment is that Park's movie encourages more passion among artists that's all.........either could get in ........both could miss......... |
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 17, 2022 0:12:37 GMT
Bold take to assume the Academy will vote for what is 'objectively better' (which is dumb when it comes to art anyway). I think you're letting you bias wildly creep in here. Also let's not act like Triangle being a 'lesser film' (once again, silly take) matters, when someone like Adam McKay is a two time nominee. And coming from someone who has seen DTL, the whole "you can't stop thinking about it" angle, is wildly subjective. And before you mention Triangle being my #1, I'm not predicting Ostlund either. I didn't say that though ^ - I never said ToS was a lesser film than DtL - I said it was a lesser type of film.....I never used the term "objectively better" ..........and there's no reason to conflate "objectively better" and "Adam McKay" because not only wasn't that my point - it was never said by me anyway (?) ToS is done in such a way that encourages noticing what was written rather than at a directorial level imo. As for DtL and the "you can't stop thinking about it" thing - I mean, people have said that in reviews - it's done better in English speaking reviews post-Cannes.....I'm not making that up....... Trust me if I was letting my bias creep in here - I wouldn't nominate Women Talking for anything this year - DtL is my #2 and ToS is my #4 atm - I'm a fan of both - but my assessment is that Park's movie encourages more passion among artists that's all.........either could get in ........both could miss......... Haha, fair enough. You do make some interesting points, just can't say I agree with them. We'll see how it all shakes out. |
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Post by finniussnrub on Oct 17, 2022 0:43:37 GMT
I think it has potential beyond international feature *if* it is the foreign language choice for the year. As it does seem the directors branch now is actively trying to include at least one foreign language director per year so maybe. Park isn't the guaranteed choice, but he does seem to have the most hype...at the moment. But hey the four year streak of at least one director of a foreign language film being nominated for best director also could easily end.
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 17, 2022 2:31:31 GMT
I think it has potential beyond international feature *if* it is the foreign language choice for the year. As it does seem the directors branch now is actively trying to include at least one foreign language director per year so maybe. Park isn't the guaranteed choice, but he does seem to have the most hype...at the moment. But hey the four year streak of at least one director of a foreign language film being nominated for best director also could easily end. I think what will be interesting is to see whether they rally behind Park or just count Ostlund, because even though Triangle is primarily in English, he's still a 'foreign director'. |
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Post by DanQuixote on Oct 17, 2022 12:44:15 GMT
I don’t think it’s unanimously acclaimed/beloved enough to get anything beyond International Feature.
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Post by JangoB on Oct 17, 2022 12:57:48 GMT
I don’t think it’s unanimously acclaimed/beloved enough to get anything beyond International Feature. Moreover, it seems to me that those foreign Best Director movies really have to make a big splash and be a properly huge part of their year's cinematic discourse (whatever that is  ). Maybe I'm mistaken but it doesn't really feel that Decision to Leave has quite achieved that. Although there's still time, of course. But I just don't feel the same hoopla around it that Parasite or Drive My Car or Cold War enjoyed. |
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Post by stabcaesar on Oct 17, 2022 13:05:10 GMT
It might not even get in international feature. Korea has very little luck in this category. Parasite remains its sole nominee in the category.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 17, 2022 14:03:02 GMT
Tbh, I think Decison to Leave quite mimics Cold War and its eventual arc - which was also a BD @ Cannes winner and broke late because many doubted at first that "3 foreign directors" could comprise the top 5 that year - "3" in the loosest sense because Lanthimos like Östlund was an English Language feature......
DtL just opened on the 14th - in the US - the very impressive Box Office already, the better reviews SINCE Cannes in English speaking markets - an 85% on Metacritic etc. bodes extremely well for it - it's going to outpace Cold War's BO total so I don't think the "conversation" around it has really happened yet........now it could fade still, I mean I thought it would be way more divisive than it has been and I loved it - but for now it has picked up momentum at the right time - if it was going to fade we'd have either seen it already or will see it in the next couple weeks ........but this is going to win some precursors I would guess.....and that's going to really help keep its momentum going.....
But yeah no International Feature nod - no BD nod........an International Feature nod though......50 / 50 odds for BD I reckon just slightly ahead of Östlund imo
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Post by stephen on Oct 17, 2022 14:13:05 GMT
Honestly, I think people are overhyping it for its pedigree and for the success of Parasite (and to a lesser extent, Squid Game), which seems to have opened up the floodgates for South Korean cinema on a world stage. I don't see it being the critics' favourite the way something like Drive My Car was. I can see it getting an IFF nod, but I don't even think it's the frontrunner there.
I'm gonna be bold and say this year we don't get a foreign film nominated for Best Director.
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Post by Brother Fease on Oct 19, 2022 21:58:18 GMT
Interesting review from two LA Film Critics. Christy gave it a 9.5/10 and Alonso a 9/10. I have a sneaking feeling, this might be our Drive My Car or Cold War.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 19, 2022 22:59:15 GMT
Interesting review from two LA Film Critics. Christy gave it a 9.5/10 and Alonso a 9/10. I have a sneaking feeling, this might be our Drive My Car or Cold War. Yeah it was well liked by the Vice President of LAFCA too - I don't believe the President - Claudia Puig has reviewed it (?) - and it got a rave in the LA Times from Justin Chang who is on the board of LAFCA also..........the language of the reviews is much more impressed with the film than people on MAR seem to think.........I said it before in this thread - it's definitely going to win a lot of Director precursors just because of how show-y (and brilliant tbh) the directing style is ..............and I totally think it will get a DGA nod for certain.....because like I said his peers are going to like it more even than critics One of the big things that helps this movie is it gets male AND female critics - because of the "romance" aspect of it - iirc there are (or were?) 0 negative RT reviews from female critics ........also the fact that the ending is so staggering .......people remember endings and set pieces like that so much....... On the other hand its problem is just that it doesn't quite have that bullt-in firm "extra" category to solidify it - Screenplay like Drive My Car and Cinematography like Cold War had....... which is why a lot for DtL depends on its Box Office holds from week to week to stay in the discussion trough the whole race.... Personally I think it's a better movie than both Cold War and Drive My Car - but my opinion holds a surprisingly low amount of persuasion in Oscar races ...........sigh  |
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Post by Brother Fease on Oct 19, 2022 23:18:10 GMT
Interesting review from two LA Film Critics. Christy gave it a 9.5/10 and Alonso a 9/10. I have a sneaking feeling, this might be our Drive My Car or Cold War. Yeah it was well liked by the Vice President of LAFCA too - I don't believe the President - Claudia Puig has reviewed it (?) - and it got a rave in the LA Times from Justin Chang who is on the board of LAFCA also..........the language of the reviews is much more impressed with the film than people on MAR seem to think.........I said it before in this thread - it's definitely going to win a lot of Director precursors just because of how show-y (and brilliant tbh) the directing style is ..............and I totally think it will get a DGA nod for certain.....because like I said his peers are going to like it more even than critics One of the big things that helps this movie is it gets male AND female critics - because of the "romance" aspect of it - iirc there are (or were?) 0 negative RT reviews from female critics ........also the fact that the ending is so staggering .......people remember endings and set pieces like that so much....... On the other hand its problem is just that it doesn't quite have that bullt-in firm "extra" category to solidify it - Screenplay like Drive My Car and Cinematography like Cold War had....... which is why a lot for DtL depends on its Box Office holds from week to week to stay in the discussion trough the whole race.... Personally I think it's a better movie than both Cold War and Drive My Car - but my opinion holds a surprisingly low amount of persuasion in Oscar races ...........sigh Love this commentary. Hope you're doing well Pacinoeyes btw!
I think this movie is getting a Best Director nomination.
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Post by havok2 on Oct 20, 2022 3:09:17 GMT
Honestly, I think people are overhyping it for its pedigree and for the success of Parasite (and to a lesser extent, Squid Game), which seems to have opened up the floodgates for South Korean cinema on a world stage. I don't see it being the critics' favourite the way something like Drive My Car was. I can see it getting an IFF nod, but I don't even think it's the frontrunner there. I'm gonna be bold and say this year we don't get a foreign film nominated for Best Director. Critics don't vote |
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Post by havok2 on Oct 20, 2022 3:10:16 GMT
IDK Park resonates a lot with some of the members of the Director branch. The competition is weak so I'm thinking he gets over someone who is expected to show up everywhere. Hopefully it's Spielberg.
IFF and Screenplay too
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- it needs to be watched twice - nobody who watches it twice will like it "less" either - after you see it, you can't stop thinking about it (or at least I couldn't).....it has a lot of the qualities that people often champion passionately in movies......
- DtL is my #2 and ToS is my #4 atm - I'm a fan of both - but my assessment is that Park's movie encourages more passion among artists that's all.........either could get in ........both could miss.........
). Maybe I'm mistaken but it doesn't really feel that Decision to Leave has quite achieved that. Although there's still time, of course. But I just don't feel the same hoopla around it that Parasite or Drive My Car or Cold War enjoyed. 
