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Post by dazed on Oct 3, 2022 16:17:35 GMT
š¤š¼ for the runoff election
what a comeback š„¹
shitty to see bolsonaro over perform compared to the late polls as well as the other party members, 50% for lula wouldāve been nice
better than 2018 at least š
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 3, 2022 17:48:33 GMT
You read bad the election.
Bolsonaro won the legislature, and have the vote for making an impeachment, and win it, in chase Lula will win the election.-
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Post by flasuss on Oct 4, 2022 14:02:06 GMT
There's no reason for this enthusiasm (and before you ask, yes, I'm Brazilian). Lula is a shameless crook, who was able to run for office not because he was found not guilty, but because his conviction, which had before confirmed by 9 different judges, most of whom appointed to their positions by his hand-picked successor Dilma Rousseff, was annulled on technicalities by Brazil's Supreme Court.
And that only happened after some members of the Supreme Court begun to themselves have their names involved in the same scandal in which Lula was convicted- one of them was caught on tape talking to a former governor that was arrested about his case literally minutes before he was arrested. Shortly afterwards, he begun to openly attack all the prosecutors and judges involved and publicly stating how he was going to vote to quash all investigations months or even years before the case got to the court (not even someone like Clarence Thomas ever did something remotely like this in the US).
So, I suggest you drop this American-centered Democrat/Republican, good/bad view, which is pathetic. What we have two criminal gangs fighting for power, with heads that are both populists with notoriously corrupt and authoritarian leanings, both Putin apologists.
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Post by Film Socialism on Oct 4, 2022 16:51:06 GMT
So, I suggest you drop this American-centered Democrat/Republican, good/bad view, which is pathetic. What we have two criminal gangs fighting for power, with heads that are both populists with notoriously corrupt and authoritarian leanings, both Putin apologists. i mean isn't this just how american politics are too, to be fair |
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 4, 2022 17:36:32 GMT
There's no reason for this enthusiasm (and before you ask, yes, I'm Brazilian). Lula is a shameless crook, who was able to run for office not because he was found not guilty, but because his conviction, which had before confirmed by 9 different judges, most of whom appointed to their positions by his hand-picked successor Dilma Rousseff, was annulled on technicalities by Brazil's Supreme Court. And that only happened after some members of the Supreme Court begun to themselves have their names involved in the same scandal in which Lula was convicted- one of them was caught on tape talking to a former governor that was arrested about his case literally minutes before he was arrested. Shortly afterwards, he begun to openly attack all the prosecutors and judges involved and publicly stating how he was going to vote to quash all investigations months or even years before the case got to the court (not even someone like Clarence Thomas ever did something remotely like this in the US). So, I suggest you drop this American-centered Democrat/Republican, good/bad view, which is pathetic. What we have two criminal gangs fighting for power, with heads that are both populists with notoriously corrupt and authoritarian leanings, both Putin apologists. What unites Bolsonaro and Lula is Putin. Now, as a Uruguayan, I don't want Lula to win. Because Bolsonaro is an isolationist who does not get involved in the internal problems of other countries. Lula instead creates a network of corruption throughout Latin America, favoring corrupt and dictatorial governments. In addition to drowning the truly democratic countries until his puppet wins the election. If Bolsonaro was corrupt, the one who gets screwed is Brazil. But Lula is corrupt and it's not enough for him; he wants to screw not just Brazil but the entire continent.- |
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Post by flasuss on Oct 4, 2022 22:32:29 GMT
I don't know if Bolsonaro doesn't care about not getting involved in other countries problems- is just that with so many left-wing governments around him, he won't have the chance to do much- at least until Argentina inevitably goes back to the opposition to the Kirchner's next election.
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Post by dazed on Oct 5, 2022 0:26:04 GMT
There's no reason for this enthusiasm (and before you ask, yes, I'm Brazilian). Lula is a shameless crook, who was able to run for office not because he was found not guilty, but because his conviction, which had before confirmed by 9 different judges, most of whom appointed to their positions by his hand-picked successor Dilma Rousseff, was annulled on technicalities by Brazil's Supreme Court. And that only happened after some members of the Supreme Court begun to themselves have their names involved in the same scandal in which Lula was convicted- one of them was caught on tape talking to a former governor that was arrested about his case literally minutes before he was arrested. Shortly afterwards, he begun to openly attack all the prosecutors and judges involved and publicly stating how he was going to vote to quash all investigations months or even years before the case got to the court (not even someone like Clarence Thomas ever did something remotely like this in the US). So, I suggest you drop this American-centered Democrat/Republican, good/bad view, which is pathetic. What we have two criminal gangs fighting for power, with heads that are both populists with notoriously corrupt and authoritarian leanings, both Putin apologists. oh i have my qualms with lula (being neutral on the ukraine and russia situation like you brought up being one of them) but climate change is one of the most important issues that humans face if not THE most, and iāll choose lula over bolsonaro solely because of that (as well as lulas other policies but i wonāt get into that). the devastation that bolsonaro brought upon the amazon rainforest and would KEEP bringing upon it is insurmountable and the tipping point could very well happen. it wouldnāt just be a catastrophe for brazil but the entire world as the rainforest is one of the largest carbon sinks. if you know me, you know iām very much not apart of the democratic=good/republican=bad pool of people. i think pretty much all republicans suck, and majority of democratic politicians do too. |
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Post by flasuss on Oct 5, 2022 1:29:14 GMT
Oh, I understand perfectly preferring Lula over Bolsonaro as the lesser of two evils, all this celebration about him being ahead of the polls is something else. It's still a disaster for the country, it's just a different kind.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 6, 2022 15:58:28 GMT
I don't know if Bolsonaro doesn't care about not getting involved in other countries problems- is just that with so many left-wing governments around him, he won't have the chance to do much- at least until Argentina inevitably goes back to the opposition to the Kirchner's next election. No he is. I mean former President Fernando Henrique Cardozo who was right winged was like Lula imperialist. Or do you think the only Imperialist are US, UK, Russia and China? Well itsn t a surprise that both ex enemies are now alliad. Unfortunately I have a huge headache so I hadnt post properly. But I think people confuse climate change with ecosystem protection. I believe on the seccond one not on the first. By some people from the late 70s or Early 80s. Montevideo should be the Atlantis right now. According to the Us Nostradamus also name Al Gore. New York should be the new Atlantis right now. I trully cant believe people here like Dazed really thinks in that Bull... I mean if this was remotely true Biden, Clinton and the Obamas residente should be in the Apalache mountain-bike instead og Marthas Vineyard. |
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 6, 2022 16:40:40 GMT
There's no reason for this enthusiasm (and before you ask, yes, I'm Brazilian). Lula is a shameless crook, who was able to run for office not because he was found not guilty, but because his conviction, which had before confirmed by 9 different judges, most of whom appointed to their positions by his hand-picked successor Dilma Rousseff, was annulled on technicalities by Brazil's Supreme Court. And that only happened after some members of the Supreme Court begun to themselves have their names involved in the same scandal in which Lula was convicted- one of them was caught on tape talking to a former governor that was arrested about his case literally minutes before he was arrested. Shortly afterwards, he begun to openly attack all the prosecutors and judges involved and publicly stating how he was going to vote to quash all investigations months or even years before the case got to the court (not even someone like Clarence Thomas ever did something remotely like this in the US). So, I suggest you drop this American-centered Democrat/Republican, good/bad view, which is pathetic. What we have two criminal gangs fighting for power, with heads that are both populists with notoriously corrupt and authoritarian leanings, both Putin apologists. oh i have my qualms with lula (being neutral on the ukraine and russia situation like you brought up being one of them) but climate change is one of the most important issues that humans face if not THE most, and iāll choose lula over bolsonaro solely because of that (as well as lulas other policies but i wonāt get into that). the devastation that bolsonaro brought upon the amazon rainforest and would KEEP bringing upon it is insurmountable and the tipping point could very well happen. it wouldnāt just be a catastrophe for brazil but the entire world as the rainforest is one of the largest carbon sinks. if you know me, you know iām very much not apart of the democratic=good/republican=bad pool of people. i think pretty much all republicans suck, and majority of democratic politicians do too. Do you really believe in Climate Change? |
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