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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 27, 2024 5:09:30 GMT
Having seen (and loved) the movie, it's not surprising to me that the movie isn't doing well. Coen comedies usually receive mixed reviews at the time of release and the film in its premise and marketing is not exactly posing itself as a 4-quadrant hit being an R-rated comedy road movie centered on lesbians. Just looking at a lot of audience reviews, a lot of people are complaining about the "gratuitous" lesbian sex (Jesus, when did people become such fucking puritans?). I think it'll find its audience and gain a cult following over time, though. Tbh I don't see any previous Coen brothers hits doing well at the box office in 2024. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 27, 2024 5:18:34 GMT
Yeah.... I don't see this going anywhere except irrelevancy.
Coens only have like 4 movies reviewed mixed or badly. The Hudsucker Proxy, Intolerable Cruelty, The Ladykillers, and Burn After Reading. You can argue the Hail Caesar as the audience score is poor, but the critics score is good. But overall, most Coens fans aren't high on that movie. So that's like 5 movies, but they definitely err on the side of more positively reviewed movies.
I also rarely see Coens fans praise a mixed or badly reviewed movie by them. I see Mann fans praise his lower reviewed movies all the time. I see that of DePalma. I see that of Kubrick. (because his last 3 movies while all considered decent at release, maybe not The Shining, weren't the classics they are now). When you get a Coens lower reviewed movie, it usually means it's only talked about when discussions about their lesser films arise.
In short, I don't see this getting any type of cult. And I'm definitely a Coens fan.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 27, 2024 5:18:56 GMT
Having seen (and loved) the movie, it's not surprising to me that the movie isn't doing well. Coen comedies usually receive mixed reviews at the time of release and the film in its premise and marketing is not exactly posing itself as a 4-quadrant hit being an R-rated comedy road movie centered on lesbians. Just looking at a lot of audience reviews, a lot of people are complaining about the "gratuitous" lesbian sex (Jesus, when did people become such fucking puritans?). I think it'll find its audience and gain a cult following over time, though. Tbh I don't see any previous Coen brothers hits doing well at the box office in 2024. I'm not sure I agree with that. Qualley and Viswanathan are not movie stars to begin with. This film needed great reviews and word of mouth to overcome that, and it didn't happen. Matt Damon in a cameo and Pedro Pascal in support isn't enough. Intolerable Cruelty made 120 million dollars worldwide. Because it had two big movie stars at the time ( George Clooney and Catherine Zeta-Jones).Cast Margot Robbie and Zendaya in Drive Away Dolls, and there's a chance it could still do good box office with mediocre reviews. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 27, 2024 5:38:15 GMT
Yeah.... I don't see this going anywhere except irrelevancy. Coens only have like 4 movies reviewed mixed or badly. The Hudsucker Proxy, Intolerable Cruelty, The Ladykillers, and Burn After Reading. You can argue the Hail Caesar as the audience score is poor, but the critics score is good. But overall, most Coens fans aren't high on that movie. So that's like 5 movies, but they definitely err on the side of more positively reviewed movies. I also rarely see Coens fans praise a mixed or badly reviewed movie by them. I see Mann fans praise his lower reviewed movies all the time. I see that of DePalma. I see that of Kubrick. (because his last 3 movies while all considered decent at least, maybe not The Shining, weren't the classics they are now). When you get a Coens lower reviewed movie, it usually means it's only talked about when discussions about their lesser films arise. In short, I don't see this getting any type of cult. And I'm definitely a Coens fan. and especially Burn After Reading have followings. Intolerable Cruelty and The Ladykillers are the ones where even those that like them don't go far in their appreciation. Some of the canonized Coens classics are movies that started off with more temperate responses upon release. Raising Arizona, The Big Lebowski, and O Brother, Where Art Thou? were all given faint praise but are now among their most popular films with both critics and audiences. I don't expect Drive-Away Dolls to get that significant a bump, but I wouldn't be surprised if it finds more people on its wavelength with time, especially given its unique status as a queer film in the filmography of one of the most essential American filmmakers of the last 40 years. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 27, 2024 5:54:15 GMT
I can't recall any significant discussion about The Hudsucker Proxy on this board. You'd think if it had a following, this is the type of place ( full of cinephiles that worship auteurs and the Coens) where that following would be most evident.
I don't think it has much of a following at all. I feel it's just considered one of their misfires, and not much more beyond that. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 27, 2024 6:02:34 GMT
I can't recall any significant discussion about The Hudsucker Proxy on this board. You'd think if it had a following, this is the type of place ( full of cinephiles that worship auteurs and the Coens) where that following would be most evident.
I don't think it has much of a following at all. I feel it's just considered one of their misfires, and not much more beyond that. As much as I love this board, it's very actor-centric and unless Tim Robbins does something to make us talk about him, it really isn't surprising to me that The Hudsucker Proxy isn't talked about much on here. Hell, we don't talk (and I mean actually talk, not merely acknowledge their Oscar buzz) about much of their movies beyond No Country for Old Men, Fargo, The Big Lebowski, and occasionally Barton Fink or Raising Arizona. It doesn't take much on Google, Twitter, or even just off its Wikipedia where "cult following" is in the third paragraph to find acknowledgment of The Hudsucker Proxy's cult status. But this is all beside the point anyway. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 27, 2024 6:06:19 GMT
Yeah.... I don't see this going anywhere except irrelevancy. Coens only have like 4 movies reviewed mixed or badly. The Hudsucker Proxy, Intolerable Cruelty, The Ladykillers, and Burn After Reading. You can argue the Hail Caesar as the audience score is poor, but the critics score is good. But overall, most Coens fans aren't high on that movie. So that's like 5 movies, but they definitely err on the side of more positively reviewed movies. I also rarely see Coens fans praise a mixed or badly reviewed movie by them. I see Mann fans praise his lower reviewed movies all the time. I see that of DePalma. I see that of Kubrick. (because his last 3 movies while all considered decent at least, maybe not The Shining, weren't the classics they are now). When you get a Coens lower reviewed movie, it usually means it's only talked about when discussions about their lesser films arise. In short, I don't see this getting any type of cult. And I'm definitely a Coens fan. and especially Burn After Reading have followings. Intolerable Cruelty and The Ladykillers are the ones where even those that like them don't go far in their appreciation. Some of the canonized Coens classics are movies that started off with more temperate responses upon release. Raising Arizona, The Big Lebowski, and O Brother, Where Art Thou? were all given faint praise but are now among their most popular films with both critics and audiences. I don't expect Drive-Away Dolls to get that significant a bump, but I wouldn't be surprised if it finds more people on its wavelength with time, especially given its unique status as a queer film in the filmography of one of the most essential American filmmakers of the last 40 years. Sorry man I cant agree with any of that I remember The Big Lebowski differently than you. I was alive in '98. It was not faintly praised. It maybe wasnt the critical sweeper The Truman Show was but IMDB guys liked it just as much if not more. Its instantly quotable, full of meme-narios, and just one of the Coens' most entertaining romps. Probably their most entertaining movie overall in my opinion. It was my first favorite Coens movie too. I probably liked it more than Fargo. It might be somewhat like Groundhog Day but probably got even more praise on IMDB just because it's a dudecho movie where Groundhog Day is just iconic. O brother where art thou was praised for its soundtrack. also memorable and unforgettable scenes (like the KKK stuff and Clooney and pals and their jailsuits). And huge populist values. And lots of people had it in their Top 10. It just wasnt seen as a Top 3 kinda movie. Like Memento or Crouching Tiger (in 2000) or like In the Mood For Love (for the 10 people who saw it in 2000 at the time) No following for The Hudsucker Proxy or Burn After Reading as far as I can tell. And Intolerable Cruelty was popular in 2003. It was predicted to be an awards player. Didnt happen but people didnt forget it just because the initial hype and anticipation was too large. But I think by the time Brokeback Mountain came around, it wasn't really relevant anymore. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 27, 2024 6:10:30 GMT
I can't recall any significant discussion about The Hudsucker Proxy on this board. You'd think if it had a following, this is the type of place ( full of cinephiles that worship auteurs and the Coens) where that following would be most evident.
I don't think it has much of a following at all. I feel it's just considered one of their misfires, and not much more beyond that. As much as I love this board, it's very actor-centric and unless Tim Robbins does something to make us talk about him, it really isn't surprising to me that The Hudsucker Proxy isn't talked about much on here. Hell, we don't talk (and I mean actually talk, not merely acknowledge their Oscar buzz) about much of their movies beyond No Country for Old Men, Fargo, The Big Lebowski, and occasionally Barton Fink or Raising Arizona. It doesn't take much on Google, Twitter, or even just off its Wikipedia where "cult following" is in the third paragraph to find acknowledgment of The Hudsucker Proxy's cult status. But this is all beside the point anyway. Yes, this board is actor-centric. And while Tim Robbins is the lead ( and he isnt a much discussed actor here), it still has Paul Newman, one of of the most beloved actors of all time ( on this board and in general) in a major supporting role. And hardly anyone ever brings up The Hudsucker Proxy when discussing Newman here. And Newman is discussed on this board often. If we go by Wikipedia quotes, I think just about any movie ever made could be argued to have "cult status", but in a significant sense, I just don't see it with Hudsucker. It's just kinda "there" and feels remembered mostly for being one of the Coen Brothers films that people disliked. That's just how I see it anyway. |
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Post by wonky on Feb 27, 2024 17:38:08 GMT
What does Intolerable Cruelty have to do with Brokeback Mountain?
Maybe we all just move in different circles but The Ladykillers is the only one I think is remembered exclusively as a bad movie. Intolerable Cruelty is forgotten but I've at least seen it referred to as "underrated" here and there. Hudsucker Proxy and Hail Caesar seem mostly forgotten but I have for sure seen people argue those are masterpieces....I don't know if I would call Hudsucker a proper "cult following," though, that Wikipedia mention is unsourced after all.
I think Burn After Reading is elevated in memory by Brad Pitt's performance above all, which is a beloved turn. You got that dance gif going around and it's also the only movie of these where YouTube brings up multiple clips with over a million views. Which isn't THAT great, but maybe indicates people look for their favorite moments more. Those great CIA scenes with JK Simmons are up there.
I enjoyed Drive-Away Dolls...it reminds me of the kind of thing that 20 years ago would get my friends going "I love this weird movie nobody's heard of" that isn't a masterpiece but has something. Maybe it still does. The Pedro Pascal and Matt Damon cameos could help. I could see teenagers watching this who have never seen anything like it and it's their gateway to the Coens. Also it's very short which is refreshing. Feels like it would have been a cable mainstay if that were still a thing.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 27, 2024 18:25:18 GMT
I didn't even know what The Hudsucker Proxy was until I was fairly into movies. I thought it went Blood Simple/Raising Arizona/Miller's Crossing/Barton Fink/Fargo for a long time. Anyway this was not a good movie and I didn't have enough thoughts on it to bother making a thread when I saw it on Friday. Viswanathan was good so hopefully she is in some more things though. Having seen (and loved) the movie, it's not surprising to me that the movie isn't doing well. Coen comedies usually receive mixed reviews at the time of release and the film in its premise and marketing is not exactly posing itself as a 4-quadrant hit being an R-rated comedy road movie centered on lesbians. Just looking at a lot of audience reviews, a lot of people are complaining about the "gratuitous" lesbian sex (Jesus, when did people become such fucking puritans?). I think it'll find its audience and gain a cult following over time, though. Tbh I don't see any previous Coen brothers hits doing well at the box office in 2024. NCFOM and Fargo could have had some success after they got so much critical acclaim and won awards as occurred in real life, especially since the Coens were already "names" when they did NCFOM. Big Lebowski might do better today because it fits right in with Millennial and Zoomer meme humor. |
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Post by wonky on Feb 27, 2024 18:41:37 GMT
I didn't even know what The Hudsucker Proxy was until I was fairly into movies. I thought it went Blood Simple/Raising Arizona/Miller's Crossing/Barton Fink/Fargo for a long time. Funnily enough I had seen The Hudsucker Proxy before I knew anything about the Coens because my parents got it as a Blockbuster rental. But I think it was also one of the last that I realized was theirs after I'd started familiarizing myself with the brothers. It took me forever to connect the dots on all their movies, actually, I would just come across these films separately as these weird things that existed somehow. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 27, 2024 20:55:04 GMT
What does Intolerable Cruelty have to do with Brokeback Mountain? I'm simply saying..... by the next major Oscar race which was 2005 (I don't think 2004 was any real significant or memorable Oscar race)..... I think Intolerable Cruelty had already been kinda old news But it was still pretty fresh on people's minds in the first 2 years of its release. I think it's bigger than stuff like The Hudsucker Proxy and Drive Away Dolls ever was and will be. They don't have anything to do with each other tho. |
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Feb 28, 2024 1:04:25 GMT
I generally like Qualley and Viswanathan but I found the whole thing irritating.
It felt more like a parody of a Coen movie instead of an actual Coen movie.
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