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Post by Joaquim on Aug 8, 2022 21:38:18 GMT
* Not too unpopular but there has never been a more duplicitious politician, in my lifetime than Lindsey Graham - he can't even fake it and aspire to be Ted Cruz The thought came to me not too long ago (and this is gonna be a HOT take) that Ted Cruz is kinda like the Cicero of our times - and I mean that as both a compliment and as a massive insult
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 8, 2022 21:49:29 GMT
The thought came to me not too long ago (and this is gonna be a HOT take) that Ted Cruz is kinda like the Cicero of our times - and I mean that as both a compliment and as a massive insult Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quamdiu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? Quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit audacia? I wonder why being Cicero should be an insult. One of the most interesting orators to read.
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 8, 2022 23:53:18 GMT
The thought came to me not too long ago (and this is gonna be a HOT take) that Ted Cruz is kinda like the Cicero of our times - and I mean that as both a compliment and as a massive insult Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quamdiu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? Quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit audacia? I wonder why being Cicero should be an insult. One of the most interesting orators to read. You’re right but he was quite the sneaky little self serving weasel as a politician primarily interested in playing the “I’m playing both sides so I always come out on top” game to secure his own legacy, which is more of what I was getting at when I say I also mean it as an insult to be compared to him
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 9, 2022 5:35:07 GMT
Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quamdiu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? Quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit audacia? I wonder why being Cicero should be an insult. One of the most interesting orators to read. You’re right but he was quite the sneaky little self serving weasel as a politician primarily interested in playing the “I’m playing both sides so I always come out on top” game to secure his own legacy, which is more of what I was getting at when I say I also mean it as an insult to be compared to him I doubt Cicero was playing both sides. At the point he was killed for his opposition to Antonius.
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 9, 2022 12:23:31 GMT
You’re right but he was quite the sneaky little self serving weasel as a politician primarily interested in playing the “I’m playing both sides so I always come out on top” game to secure his own legacy, which is more of what I was getting at when I say I also mean it as an insult to be compared to him I doubt Cicero was playing both sides. At the point he was killed for his opposition to Antonius. He ditched Pompey as soon as things went south for him hoping Caesar would spare him (he did) and then complained he wasn’t included in the plot to assassinate Caesar. He was later propping up Octavian because he thought he was a better alternative to Antony that he could also control. Then when that idea didn’t work out because Antony and Octavian reconciled and formed the Second Triumvirate he went running back to the senate and conspirators, at which point his antics caught up to him
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 9, 2022 14:26:43 GMT
I doubt Cicero was playing both sides. At the point he was killed for his opposition to Antonius. He ditched Pompey as soon as things went south for him hoping Caesar would spare him (he did) and then complained he wasn’t included in the plot to assassinate Caesar. He was later propping up Octavian because he thought he was a better alternative to Antony that he could also control. Then when that idea didn’t work out because Antony and Octavian reconciled and formed the Second Triumvirate he went running back to the senate and conspirators, at which point his antics caught up to him Cicero was a Republican (meaning he didn't want roman Republic to become something else). He didn't like the idea of an emperor (imperator was the Latin word for general) or a different form of government. He knew that could have costed his life.
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 9, 2022 20:58:51 GMT
He ditched Pompey as soon as things went south for him hoping Caesar would spare him (he did) and then complained he wasn’t included in the plot to assassinate Caesar. He was later propping up Octavian because he thought he was a better alternative to Antony that he could also control. Then when that idea didn’t work out because Antony and Octavian reconciled and formed the Second Triumvirate he went running back to the senate and conspirators, at which point his antics caught up to him Cicero was a Republican (meaning he didn't want roman Republic to become something else). He didn't like the idea of an emperor (imperator was the Latin word for general) or a different form of government. He knew that could have costed his life. Yes but like I’ve said his mindset was first and foremost securing his legacy and being remembered for thousands of years (which he succeeded at so props to him). He calculated his every move based on that mindset. That’s why his role in the second Catilinarian conspiracy was such a big deal, because having the people who want your title of consul executed without a trial isn’t exactly upholding Roman Republican values. While he may have truly wanted to preserve the republic, the guy acted out of self preservation first and foremost. There’s absolutely no denying that he’s probably the greatest orator and/or legal scholar ever but when it came to his political career he was a total sniveling little weasel - and he himself said his political career was his most important achievement
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 10, 2022 13:19:41 GMT
* Trump telling Hillary "because you'd be in jail" in that debate is the exact moment where the country split politically - after that anything could be said by either party about the other - in the crassest language.....it's our Oppenheimer moment ..........to put into crass cinematic language * The state of the stock market is a major issue in midterms at least - that's being largely underplayed - it gets lost in the overall "economy" numbers but its a separate stand alone issue....so is the state of the housing market (which is disastrous). That's parents retirements and their children's future in 2 ways - it's missed in polling, the entire market research industry who design those polls (now THAT'S an industry that should be fncking investigated by Congress btw) and by the mainstrean media almost entirely....and also by MAR obviously .......because everybody gives lip service about "the poor" .........but not the actual shit that makes people poor(er) ...... i think the market is frequently over hyped as a political issue. most working folk do not have a sizable savings account, most rich folk will be fine regardless of the market, and middle class folk are in some ways dependent on the market, but it doesn't really matter too much what happens until they're at least in their 40s. if anything, the notion of "the economy being good and the market going up is always preferable to the opposite" is an idea taken for granted that never really sat well w me (things being over valued in the trump era and crashing at the first sign or friction). While this was a good point ^ - I would also say that the reason it's an issue for the midterms is because the market dropped along with a recession (or whatever) and there's another layer of nuance because of that: .......41% of Americans have a 401K - that's not a meaningless number itself - and of course more have other pension related plans tied to the market. In a recession many people divert money out of their retirement plans - so it's like I said in other places before - inflation itself is a de facto taxation - and if people are also using available money that would have gone into a pension account to live - and not retire - and then invest less - that's also a de facto taxation........so yes, while it mostly applies to the middle class in their 40s or older - that's a pretty big percentage of not just the population but more importantly those who regularly vote too. It's a stealth issue for these mid-terms because it's less obvious - though I don't think it's actually a replicatable issue as much beyond the midterms ........unless the market doesn't come back and it remains stagnant. In general people want to believe they are working for something besides the "right now" etc. and ties into their mood / general anxieties.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 4:40:16 GMT
I've always thought Wendy was at her messiest when she wore shoulder-length wigs...
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 12, 2022 17:08:13 GMT
I despise Mitch McConnell but the more I see of Merrick Garland, the more I’m convinced McConnell deserves a statue in DC solely for keeping this little eunuch off the Supreme Court
And I want Trump to go down! I just can’t relish this as much as I want to because Garland is such a contemptible little eunuch and yes man, lashing out at everyone and everything because he thought he was entitled to a seat on the Supreme Court
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 22, 2022 7:20:27 GMT
* At 4:33 Bill Maher - asks a life-long Republican who lives in a blue state who has never voted for a Democrat for POTUS and is a "Never Trumper" - IF he'd vote for a Democrat now to keep Trump out of power - this guy says it wouldn't come down to his vote due to the state he lives in and he'd likely abstain though he'd vote against him IF his vote was THE vote..........this is exactly right - like what I said a million times...........you have a right not to vote in a POTUS election too and it can be the most logical, reasoned choice ........it's not being lazy at all.........or at least doesn't have to be..........not voting for Biden or Trump in 2020 is the "vote" I feel best about - ever - in a POTUS election actually......nominate Trump / Biden again - watch me abstain again.........it's the only choice.........for me
* I said this somewhere else on MAR but Bill Maher is more astute politically - and culturally - often than John Oliver (lately anyway) and funnier too (lately anyway).
* Mayor Pete is grossly under qualified to be POTUS - he'd be the least qualified person aside from Trump in the modern era.........his whole appeal lies in that he's a fine, intelligent speaker which matters a lot when the last 2 POTUS have been practically incoherent however.
* Liz Cheney might have admirable qualities - or 1 at least - but she neither served her Party or the constituents of her state who voted for her previously - so just leave the Party already ffs.
Her arrogance is pretty astonishing.......you don't have to like Trump to kind of hate her........or her dad
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Post by hugobolso on Aug 22, 2022 18:41:59 GMT
i think the market is frequently over hyped as a political issue. most working folk do not have a sizable savings account, most rich folk will be fine regardless of the market, and middle class folk are in some ways dependent on the market, but it doesn't really matter too much what happens until they're at least in their 40s. if anything, the notion of "the economy being good and the market going up is always preferable to the opposite" is an idea taken for granted that never really sat well w me (things being over valued in the trump era and crashing at the first sign or friction). While this was a good point ^ - I would also say that the reason it's an issue for the midterms is because the market dropped along with a recession (or whatever) and there's another layer of nuance because of that: .......41% of Americans have a 401K - that's not a meaningless number itself - and of course more have other pension related plans tied to the market. In a recession many people divert money out of their retirement plans - so it's like I said in other places before - inflation itself is a de facto taxation - and if people are also using available money that would have gone into a pension account to live - and not retire - and then invest less - that's also a de facto taxation........so yes, while it mostly applies to the middle class in their 40s or older - that's a pretty big percentage of not just the population but more importantly those who regularly vote too. It's a stealth issue for these mid-terms because it's less obvious - though I don't think it's actually a replicatable issue as much beyond the midterms ........unless the market doesn't come back and it remains stagnant. In general people want to believe they are working for something besides the "right now" etc. and ties into their mood / general anxieties....... Mahler is cunning. Because he is more faithful to his audience that follows him than to his political affiliation.- I don't know who his audience is. But I guess it's middle-class people of middle age.- It's not really trully cunning or intelligence, it's learning from what the great talk show host did for decades. It seems that the new generations suffer from amnesia. What makes Mahler an oasis in the middle of the desert.-
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 22, 2022 21:36:32 GMT
While this was a good point ^ - I would also say that the reason it's an issue for the midterms is because the market dropped along with a recession (or whatever) and there's another layer of nuance because of that: .......41% of Americans have a 401K - that's not a meaningless number itself - and of course more have other pension related plans tied to the market. In a recession many people divert money out of their retirement plans - so it's like I said in other places before - inflation itself is a de facto taxation - and if people are also using available money that would have gone into a pension account to live - and not retire - and then invest less - that's also a de facto taxation........so yes, while it mostly applies to the middle class in their 40s or older - that's a pretty big percentage of not just the population but more importantly those who regularly vote too. It's a stealth issue for these mid-terms because it's less obvious - though I don't think it's actually a replicatable issue as much beyond the midterms ........unless the market doesn't come back and it remains stagnant. In general people want to believe they are working for something besides the "right now" etc. and ties into their mood / general anxieties....... Mahler is cunning.
Agreed. Favorite symphony of his? Mine's Resurrection. But I also love the Fifth and am looking forward to hearing how it's used in Tár!
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 22, 2022 22:12:24 GMT
Agreed. Favorite symphony of his? Mine's Resurrection. But I also love the Fifth and am looking forward to hearing how it's used in Tár! These games with hugobolso will never get old
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 23, 2022 8:20:38 GMT
* If the Republicans somehow win the House (likely) and the Senate (unlikely, but possible) it will be in some ways more depressing than all of that "the Red Wave" talk was because the races will be mostly so close - it's the difference between losing 6-1 and losing 2-1 in 17 innings....but if Democrats win at least one of those however it will be sweeter because comebacks are pretty awesome
* The energy on the side of the Democrat Party is an exercise in what Robert Christgau once called "mass bohemianism" in relation to the Rolling Stones popularity - a contradiction in terms - where the Party that should be lethargic and content is like the rebel "outsider" party and acts like they don't control every elected branch of Federal government ........now Roe V Wade may not matter in mid-terms if people don't vote or it may if they do - but merely as an energizing tool - and how it's linked to an American decline in other freedoms in 2022 - it's a brilliant political play in coalescing a voting block .......
* "But her emails!" is dumbness masquerading as wit.......your (her) emails aren't why you lost ..........plenty of people just hate you anyway..... it just reminds people you lost and would lose again probably TO Big Orange even after his 4 year trainwreck........it's that Stacey Abrams, Beto thing again, it's Losering........it just reminds everybody that people hate you and you kinda sucked ....
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 23, 2022 21:29:17 GMT
* "But her emails!" is dumbness masquerading as wit.......your (her) emails aren't why you lost ..........plenty of people just hate you anyway..... it just reminds people you lost and would lose again probably TO Big Orange even after his 4 year trainwreck........it's that Stacey Abrams, Beto thing again, it's Losering........it just reminds everybody that people hate you and you kinda sucked .... This is kind of misrepresenting the meme. “But her emails” doesn’t have anything to do with her loss. Its current use in internet language refers to the blatant double standard that people in general, and especially the GOP, held her to with respect to Trump. In the ideology of people who made a scandal of her emails, Clinton could get away with nothing but Trump could get away with everything. Whatever “her emails” might have entailed, they pale in comparison to the overt criminality and egregious scandals that Trump has engaged in. The phrase has become a sarcastic way of referring to the attitude of certain voters where no immoral or illegal act that Trump, or others in the “in crowd” of the far-right GOP, will ever sway their political allegiance. Whatever your beliefs are, people who traffic in irritation over this phrase are yet another example of how far-right culture misses sarcasm, or manufactures outrage in bad faith.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 23, 2022 22:05:26 GMT
* "But her emails!" is dumbness masquerading as wit.......your (her) emails aren't why you lost ..........plenty of people just hate you anyway..... it just reminds people you lost and would lose again probably TO Big Orange even after his 4 year trainwreck........it's that Stacey Abrams, Beto thing again, it's Losering........it just reminds everybody that people hate you and you kinda sucked .... This is kind of misrepresenting the meme. “But her emails” doesn’t have anything to do with her loss. Its current use in internet language refers to the blatant double standard that people in general, and especially the GOP, held her to with respect to Trump. In the ideology of people who made a scandal of her emails, Clinton could get away with nothing but Trump could get away with everything.I dunno man - the standard that a Secretary of State could be held at is not the same as a POTUS in many ways - so since it''s not an apples to apples corollary...........it's stretching it to me ........it's a bad meme - in that a good meme requires no explanation anyway - Hilary Clinton didn't have a warrant executed on her house while her main political rival was in office........Trump as POTUS didn't weaponize the office against her to have her home searched once elected......and while I'm not saying Biden did - you can get how you could think it.......... I get its intent but don't think it plays that simply rather it's anything that reminds me of her reminds me of someone who lost ...... Tbh I wouldn't have thought twice about this - if she wasn't selling the merch on her website - DeSantis does the same thing .......kind of gross to me - I don't know when that stuff actually started .......... Ymmv
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 24, 2022 6:25:12 GMT
This is kind of misrepresenting the meme. “But her emails” doesn’t have anything to do with her loss. Its current use in internet language refers to the blatant double standard that people in general, and especially the GOP, held her to with respect to Trump. In the ideology of people who made a scandal of her emails, Clinton could get away with nothing but Trump could get away with everything.I dunno man - the standard that a Secretary of State could be held at is not the same as a POTUS in many ways - so since it''s not an apples to apples corollary...........it's stretching it to me ........it's a bad meme - in that a good meme requires no explanation anyway - Hilary Clinton didn't have a warrant executed on her house while her main political rival was in office........Trump as POTUS didn't weaponize the office against her to have her home searched once elected......and while I'm not saying Biden did - you can get how you could think it.......... I get its intent but don't think it plays that simply rather it's anything that reminds me of her reminds me of someone who lost ...... Tbh I wouldn't have thought twice about this - if she wasn't selling the merch on her website - DeSantis does the same thing .......kind of gross to me - I don't know when that stuff actually started .......... Ymmv Nah, the meme is one of the funniest, most on-point things to come out of the Trump administration tbh, and one of the best ways of succinctly highlighting the braindead hypocrisy of the GOP and their penchant for whataboutism... and those who get the meme didn’t need an explanation of it in the first place because the hypocrisy that it highlights is so transparently obvious. Rhetorically, the GOP’s whole strategy is to steer a discussion to suddenly debate some other topic so that the discussion *feels* like it’s found some counterbalance or equivalency between the two sides. This kind of right-wing argumentative dodge is so obvious now that people openly make fun of it when it happens—hence the “but her emails” meme, which sarcastically imitates a “what about…?” response from the right. What is more distressing, however, is how this kind of rhetorical gamesmanship can create a false impression of moral equivalency. What is actually worse here: that a secretary of state had a private email server that was investigated and found to not have serious problems? Or that the president was being egregiously irresponsible with top-secret docs at his semi-public estate (on top of the endless list of other scandals that predate this one )? Every “but Hillary” argument makes the comparison rhetorically *feel* equivalent, or at least less different, but is that really the case? So yes, the point is that it’s not an apples to apples corollary. And yes, it’s supposed to remind you of someone who lost...... and how absurd of a fact that is given Trump’s......well.... everything.... And her selling the merch on her website is hilarious to me. Here's a pretty good article (from 2017) about usage of the phrase: www.houstonpress.com/arts/what-but-her-emails-really-means-9327717An excerpt from the end:
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 24, 2022 6:53:03 GMT
I dunno man - the standard that a Secretary of State could be held at is not the same as a POTUS in many ways - so since it''s not an apples to apples corollary...........it's stretching it to me ........it's a bad meme - in that a good meme requires no explanation anyway - Hilary Clinton didn't have a warrant executed on her house while her main political rival was in office........Trump as POTUS didn't weaponize the office against her to have her home searched once elected......and while I'm not saying Biden did - you can get how you could think it.......... I get its intent but don't think it plays that simply rather it's anything that reminds me of her reminds me of someone who lost ...... Tbh I wouldn't have thought twice about this - if she wasn't selling the merch on her website - DeSantis does the same thing .......kind of gross to me - I don't know when that stuff actually started .......... Ymmv Nah, the meme is one of the funniest, most on-point things to come out of the Trump administration tbh, and one of the best ways of succinctly highlighting the braindead hypocrisy of the GOP and their penchant for whataboutism... and those who get the meme didn’t need an explanation of it in the first place because the hypocrisy that it highlights is so transparently obvious. I guess, but I don't think it's funny - but quite stupid and worse than that kinda sad..... but you know it's like trying to tell someone why you think a movie is funny - it works for some, not for others.......I'm one of the others I guess...........but you know Unpopular Opinions threads and what not......
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 24, 2022 10:11:16 GMT
* POTUS always get credit and blame for what happens in their administrations not whether it's deserved or not - rightly or wrongly, deserved or not .....this is an obvious thing that people conveniently forget - a lot - while arguing which POTUS they hate.......take the L or the W and end it, there's no point in arguing it into the ground * Chris Sununu has the best conversational speaking style but in a bad way - he's the one Republican who can sell you an umbrella on a sunny day and get you to pay double - he is the Republican version of Mayor Pete in a way where you can be like "I really liked how he talked" ..............but maybe not "what he said" exactly.......both engage in Aw Shucks Bull-Shittery * Mike Pence may be the single most boring Presidential candidate ever if he runs - he also looks really old to me.......he's 63...........I'm 211 years older than him ..........I dunno, must be the gray hair because he's in shape and has his hair .........it's weird and creepy .........it's like he stepped out of 1959 * This thread, like the Unpopular Music Opinions Thread is pretty much dead on target and cruelly true - when I post in them anyway .... * Forgiving student loan debt is fine, I have problems of my own - and that's nice - but forgiving it 2 months before mid-terms is a bribe - again, also fine with me ....but it is ...
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 25, 2022 15:55:02 GMT
* There is nothing more annoying than people talking about politics of a country they don't live in ........you can have an opinion - sure np - but it matters less and not more because you visited another country or you read an article......so blah blah blah and go on and on about comparing the US with the Asian economic markets and talk rhapsodically about Scandanavia's healthcare system vs. America......... dgaf tbh .........it's nice but I live in America thx - talk to me about a state or city in America doing something right that the rest of America could actually do.....pffft
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 25, 2022 16:20:15 GMT
* There is nothing more annoying than people talking about politics of a country they don't live in ........you can have an opinion - sure np - but it matters less and not more because you visited another country or you read an article......so blah blah blah and go on and on about comparing the US with the Asian economic markets and talk rhapsodically about Scandanavia's healthcare system vs. America......... dgaf tbh .........it's nice but I live in America thx - talk to me about a state or city in America doing something right that the rest of America could actually do.....pffft Why are we all supposed to talk about USA? Is it the only topic allowed in this thread?
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 25, 2022 16:25:30 GMT
* There is nothing more annoying than people talking about politics of a country they don't live in ........you can have an opinion - sure np - but it matters less and not more because you visited another country or you read an article......so blah blah blah and go on and on about comparing the US with the Asian economic markets and talk rhapsodically about Scandanavia's healthcare system vs. America......... dgaf tbh .........it's nice but I live in America thx - talk to me about a state or city in America doing something right that the rest of America could actually do.....pffft Why are we all supposed to talk about USA? Is it the only topic allowed in this thread? No, but that's not even close to what I actually said. ..........but if you are going to complain about Italy - for example - it would make sense if you lived in Italy - and didn't compare Italy to Peru if you never lived in Peru...... personally I'd like to hear from other people in this thread and the politics of other countries, absolutely.........
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 1, 2022 9:52:43 GMT
* I have never, for one second - actually believed that Democracy was under a threat in my lifetime in America and my lifetime is long.... * The people on this board who support swatting MTG - which is akin to her possible Death you wackadoodles - must realize that the majority of the board finds that reprehensible and while I support a ton of shit this board finds reprehensible (heck just musically alone - um) - I'm just pointing that out. MAR - at least afaik - doesn't actually support Death ......not even for Republicans........I think * While I have no problem with student loan forgiveness - and I like the political risk / gamesmanship of the move - how can anyone see this as a "win" for President Biden outside of it possibly providing a boost in the midterms? It will not stand up in Court most likely.......... and it may not even be a win politically possibly - it may cause resentment in older voters who are more likely to vote.....and I'm not even talking the economics of it which aren't great either.....
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