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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jul 19, 2022 22:37:30 GMT
267 votes to 157It also extends to interracial marriage Don’t know if it’ll have the same support in the senate, but… this is good. Human beings shouldn’t be a political issue.
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Post by countjohn on Jul 21, 2022 1:30:13 GMT
This just isn't a good idea because you're setting up Republicans to use this as precedent to ban it nationwide if they're in control later. There's no evidence that court has any inclination to overturn either of these things, this is just Dems being paranoid after Roe getting shot down.
The "not a political issue" argument is a reason not to do this. Things like this shouldn't be on the ballot or decided by elected officials.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 21, 2022 1:43:01 GMT
This just isn't a good idea because you're setting up Republicans to use this as precedent to ban it nationwide if they're in control later. There's no evidence that court has any inclination to overturn either of these things, this is just Dems being paranoid after Roe getting shot down. The "not a political issue" argument is a reason not to do this. Things like this shouldn't be on the ballot or decided by elected officials. this is a political issue bc it is decided on the ballot and there is no reason not to have it be guaranteed for same sex people
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jul 21, 2022 2:39:43 GMT
This just isn't a good idea because you're setting up Republicans to use this as precedent to ban it nationwide if they're in control later. There's no evidence that court has any inclination to overturn either of these things, this is just Dems being paranoid after Roe getting shot down. The "not a political issue" argument is a reason not to do this. Things like this shouldn't be on the ballot or decided by elected officials. Odd to say this is not a political issue when both of these issues were won in Supreme Court cases and this current court just overturned a major precedent. Also, Clarence Thomas has already made it known he is interested in the court overturning the Obergefell ruling and he has Ted Cruz's outspoken support on that. They very obviously have inclinations towards that and they have the political power to shape the Republican platform towards that. If the Dems do nothing just like they did with Roe (assuming that it was settled law and "not a political issue"), then they're inviting the same result.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 21, 2022 5:36:14 GMT
Even if Dems got something passed, there's nothing stopping a red state from challenging it in the courts in a case that could wind up on SC's docket. I don't know if Gorsuch and Kavanagh would vote to overturn Obergefell but ACB probably would and Alito/Thomas definitely would if they get the chance, and they'd probably use religious liberty as the reason which the current SC has been very aggressive about lately. If you can argue in front of this SCOTUS that anything violates your religious liberty as a good white midwestern Christian man, you will probably win. They're probably also going to cripple anti-discrimination policy. Originalism literally wants to take federal jurisprudence back to the 1700s.
Also if you take historical scope into account, if this SC can overturn 50 years of settled law with Dobbs and 100 years of NYC gun policy with Bruen, I don't now why anyone would think they can't take away a right that was established 7 years ago.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 21, 2022 12:12:21 GMT
This is nice but it's basically performative - SCOTUS had already said in their overturning of Roe that they were not - and would not - seek to to do this and that the thing that made Roe different is because it involves a life (arguably). But sure, it doesn't hurt which is why 47 Republicans went for it - yay Republicans! - and also since the Supreme Court ruled on this like just 7 years ago - yay Supreme Court! - when they act the way we want them to act (um).........I guess there's no urgency in America to overturn same-sex marriage or contraception or mixed marriage - that was a theoretical point Thomas was making - the rest of the Court dismissed it in real time already ......basically everybody feels gay people should have the right to be as absolutely miserable in their marriages as straight people are
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 21, 2022 14:20:17 GMT
This is nice but it's basically performative - SCOTUS had already said in their overturning of Roe that they were not - and would not - seek to to do this and that the thing that made Roe different is because it involves a life (arguably). But sure, it doesn't hurt which is why 47 Republicans went for it - yay Republicans! - and also since the Supreme Court ruled on this like just 7 years ago - yay Supreme Court! - when they act the way we want them to act (um).........I guess there's no urgency in America to overturn same-sex marriage or contraception or mixed marriage - that was a theoretical point Thomas was making - the rest of the Court dismissed it in real time already ......basically everybody feels gay people should have the right to be as absolutely miserable in their marriages as straight people are didn't the recent sc people say they weren't going to overturn roe? i generally do not think we should rely on the word of politicians
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 14:28:05 GMT
I genuinely think that pacinoyes is just trolling the Politics sub-forum at this point.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 21, 2022 14:35:47 GMT
This is nice but it's basically performative - SCOTUS had already said in their overturning of Roe that they were not - and would not - seek to to do this and that the thing that made Roe different is because it involves a life (arguably). But sure, it doesn't hurt which is why 47 Republicans went for it - yay Republicans! - and also since the Supreme Court ruled on this like just 7 years ago - yay Supreme Court! - when they act the way we want them to act (um).........I guess there's no urgency in America to overturn same-sex marriage or contraception or mixed marriage - that was a theoretical point Thomas was making - the rest of the Court dismissed it in real time already ......basically everybody feels gay people should have the right to be as absolutely miserable in their marriages as straight people are didn't the recent sc people say they weren't going to overturn roe? i generally do not think we should rely on the word of politiciansI'd agree but judges are not politicians - theoretically at least ........none of the current SCOTUS reps ever said they wouldn't overturn Roe - that is a myth perpetrated on this board by people who are pissed about it .............. and I'm pissed too - but prefer to live in the real world and stuff.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 21, 2022 14:48:33 GMT
I genuinely think that pacinoyes is just trolling the Politics sub-forum at this point. Maybe........I mean it's hard to tell tbh......the key word is "genuinely"
Who else ever gets his posts parodied ( God Forbid) and the parody is only sorta funny - because pacinoyes himself is the one that's sorta funny.......a parody of a parody, no? But as they say imitation is the lamest sincerest form of flattery. At the same time everything pacinoyes says is weirdly also ............a fact..............it's complicated "when the legend becomes fact, print the legend"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 14:52:54 GMT
Also if you take historical scope into account, if this SC can overturn 50 years of settled law with Dobbs and 100 years of NYC gun policy with Bruen, I don't now why anyone would think they can't take away a right that was established 7 years ago. You forgot 200 years of settled law when it comes to Tribal Sovereignty for Native Americans... These idiots are on a roll.
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Post by quetee on Jul 21, 2022 16:13:10 GMT
I genuinely think that pacinoyes is just trolling the Politics sub-forum at this point. 100 agree especially if he thinks they wont overturn same sex. There's video of Ted Cruz saying he doesn't support it. My guess is the Senate ko's what the house passed which pretty much dares them to do it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 21, 2022 16:30:55 GMT
Gee, I guess we're lucky that Ted Cruz isn't on the Supreme Court......... or that he's you know, just one man with one vote..... and the Republicans don't have 60 votes to overturn an existing law with his one vote. I guess we're lucky Barack Obama - only had 1 vote or you know, didn't become President when he didn't support it either - um. See, .gif below Same sex marriage is under no threat. None.......like I said, it was good they codified it ......but it was more symbolic.....even if the Senate squashes it which they may not .......said it my previous post, 47 GOP in the House......its a far safer law than Roe ever was.....I like to be outraged about stuff too......find real stuff to be outraged about.......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 16:36:53 GMT
pacinoyes - I think you're being incredibly naive. These people have nothing but raw, unchecked power, and they obviously don't care about the opinion of the public they purport to serve. They all personally disagree with same-sex marriage, and that's clearly all that's needed for them to overturn Obergefell.
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Post by hugobolso on Jul 21, 2022 17:07:48 GMT
This is nice but it's basically performative - SCOTUS had already said in their overturning of Roe that they were not - and would not - seek to to do this and that the thing that made Roe different is because it involves a life (arguably). But sure, it doesn't hurt which is why 47 Republicans went for it - yay Republicans! - and also since the Supreme Court ruled on this like just 7 years ago - yay Supreme Court! - when they act the way we want them to act (um).........I guess there's no urgency in America to overturn same-sex marriage or contraception or mixed marriage - that was a theoretical point Thomas was making - the rest of the Court dismissed it in real time already ......basically everybody feels gay people should have the right to be as absolutely miserable in their marriages as straight people are Clarence Thomas Hates John Biden since the Anita Hill Scandal.- In Spanish we have a popular saying/proverb La venganza es un plato que se sirve bien frío (revenge is a dish best served cold) I don't know there correlation in English.-
All he said, is just theorically. But it's good for him to wrote about it, because its also a personal attack to Sleepy Joe.-
All he is doing is taking revange of Joe Biden. Maybe it's all legal, maybe it's just all about justice, but he adds some words in purporse to enfuriated the Democratic Party.-
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Post by cherry68 on Jul 21, 2022 18:45:29 GMT
hugobolso La vendetta è un piatto che va servito freddo.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 21, 2022 18:54:36 GMT
50 years of Roe - gone 100 years of NYC gun law - gone 200 of Indigenous sovereignty - gone
Literally all it would take is someone to contest same-sex marriage on religious grounds (specifically Evangelical Christian grounds) and they would win at this SC. Same-sex marriage and LGBTQ rights/anti-discrimination law is anything but "safe" and anyone who says otherwise is naïve or gaslighting you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 19:00:01 GMT
50 years of Roe - gone 100 years of NYC gun law - gone 200 of Indigenous sovereignty - gone Literally all it would take is someone to contest same-sex marriage on religious grounds (specifically Evangelical Christian grounds) and they would win at this SC. Same-sex marriage and LGBTQ rights/anti-discrimination law is anything but "safe" and anyone who says otherwise is naïve or gaslighting you. The upcoming case that truly terrifies me is Moore vs. Harper, which would effectively end American Democracy.
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 21, 2022 20:02:25 GMT
This is nice but it's basically performative - SCOTUS had already said in their overturning of Roe that they were not - and would not - seek to to do this and that the thing that made Roe different is because it involves a life (arguably). But sure, it doesn't hurt which is why 47 Republicans went for it - yay Republicans! - and also since the Supreme Court ruled on this like just 7 years ago - yay Supreme Court! - when they act the way we want them to act (um).........I guess there's no urgency in America to overturn same-sex marriage or contraception or mixed marriage - that was a theoretical point Thomas was making - the rest of the Court dismissed it in real time already ......basically everybody feels gay people should have the right to be as absolutely miserable in their marriages as straight people are Clarence Thomas Hates John Biden
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Post by hugobolso on Jul 21, 2022 22:59:35 GMT
Clarence Thomas Hates John Biden
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 22, 2022 0:13:48 GMT
Ok but who is John Biden?
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Post by hugobolso on Jul 22, 2022 1:07:18 GMT
Ok but who is John Biden? How hell he has more hair than 30 years ago?
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 22, 2022 16:03:06 GMT
and we're already seeing Don't Say Gay in action in Miami-Dade. No sex ed for the next several months for middle and highschoolers because the textbook includes material about different gender identities, unplanned pregnancies and Plan B. I'm really worried about LGBTQ+ students in Florida.
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Post by hugobolso on Jul 22, 2022 16:57:20 GMT
and we're already seeing Don't Say Gay in action in Miami-Dade. No sex ed for the next several months for middle and highschoolers because the textbook includes material about different gender identities, unplanned pregnancies and Plan B. I'm really worried about LGBTQ+ students in Florida. Trully awful. Source?
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