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Post by quetee on Jun 11, 2022 19:12:26 GMT
How was that misleading to the audience if that is what he said about that event. Because the audio they played is referecing something other than t he visual they showed. Please. Trump doesn't believe that. He is talking about the same event and the same people at that event. As long as he refuses to condemn those people then they all fall under the same peaceful protestor umbrella.
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Post by Brother Fease on Jun 11, 2022 21:00:01 GMT
Because the audio they played is referecing something other than t he visual they showed. You continue to miss the point Ms. Cheney was making.
Let me explain this to you in a different way:
Donald Trump has never conceded that he lost the election. He never conceded that the rioters were in the wrong. When Fox did that interview on Trump, he said nothing but positive things about that day. This was the point being MADE. It was a point that my friend quetee was trying to get through.
You have yet to show any evidence to prove otherwise. All what you're doing is engaging in right-wing spin machine nonsense, arguing that the real liars are the investigators themselves, not poor old Donald Trump.
It is pretty simple to understand: Trump doesn't regret anything he's said. Your complaint is nitpicking.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 13, 2022 9:29:11 GMT
insane that people are so up in arms over a minor coup attempt that happened in america and not the various actual coups that the country has been fully responsible for abroad lol
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 13, 2022 19:26:22 GMT
Today's hearings didn't have the movie style dramatic zip & emotionalism of Thursday night - but they didn't fudge facts that I noticed (unnecessarily) like they did a couple of times Thursday - at the beginning and end of the first installment like Megyn Kelly caught etc. Ron DeSantis is probably loving this stuff though - if he runs and gets the GOP nomination.......he gets all the Trump voters anyway and he was nowhere near Washington on Jan 6 so you theoretically could vote for him and not feel guilty about supporting overthrowing the government, right?....
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Post by Brother Fease on Jun 15, 2022 11:06:04 GMT
Today's hearings didn't have the movie style dramatic zip & emotionalism of Thursday night - but they didn't fudge facts that I noticed (unnecessarily) like they did a couple of times Thursday - at the beginning and end of the first installment like Megyn Kelly caught etc. Ron DeSantis is probably loving this stuff though - if he runs and gets the GOP nomination.......he gets all the Trump voters anyway and he was nowhere near Washington on Jan 6 so you theoretically could vote for him and not feel guilty about supporting overthrowing the government, right?.... We have gone over this before my friend. You missed the point: Trump has refused to condemn the violence and insurrection. There's no reason why he would: He supported them going after Pence.
Trump voters don't care about facts. That's why they are Trump voters.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 15, 2022 11:22:19 GMT
Today's hearings didn't have the movie style dramatic zip & emotionalism of Thursday night - but they didn't fudge facts that I noticed (unnecessarily) like they did a couple of times Thursday - at the beginning and end of the first installment like Megyn Kelly caught etc. Ron DeSantis is probably loving this stuff though - if he runs and gets the GOP nomination.......he gets all the Trump voters anyway and he was nowhere near Washington on Jan 6 so you theoretically could vote for him and not feel guilty about supporting overthrowing the government, right?.... We have gone over this before my friend.
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "friend" - that's the second time you've used that word in TWO straight posts replying to me - once to refer to someone else and once to actually refer to me. Neither of us are your friends - we're just users on a message board - Friends are people who exist in real life - which is sort of like the misrepresentation the hearing did last Thursday night tbh. ^ Today's (Mondays's) hearings didn't have the movie style dramatic zip & emotionalism of Thursday night - but they didn't fudge facts that I noticed (unnecessarily) like they did a couple of times Thursday - at the beginning and end of the first installment like Megyn Kelly caught etc.
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Post by Brother Fease on Jun 15, 2022 22:23:39 GMT
We have gone over this before my friend.
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "friend" - that's the second time you've used that word in TWO straight posts replying to me - once to refer to someone else and once to actually refer to me. There's absolutely no need to get nasty here. When I use the word "friend", I am not using it in a literal context. More like a polite fashion. Everybody understands that we're not drinking or karaoke buddies or members of the same book club.
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Post by quetee on Jun 15, 2022 23:34:03 GMT
What happened to those primetime airings? LMAO.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 21, 2022 18:30:28 GMT
finally started watching these. I remember how furious I was on Jan 6th and the following days and I didn't want to reopen those wounds. It was a very challenging time for me personally, to be watching the news unfold in front of my eyes (I was watching live coverage for basically two days straight) and have people in my life who were seeing the same thing and without skipping a beat deflecting from it or justifying it or hand-waving it away or blaming it on Antifa while focusing instead on new salacious conspiracy theories about Dominion machines involving some fucking guy in Italy or something. THAT'S what they were seeing on Jan 6th. Not the riot at the capitol. They were living in a different reality. That's why even when all the Republicans in the senate (save those 3 unnameable assholes) voted to confirm the results after what they had seen and experienced, they were already huge swaths of the country including ppl in my life who were ready to whitewash or ignore it while doubling down on Trump's big lie. That was a very painful time.
So anyways, the point I'm trying to make is that watching these so far has been incredibly cathartic if not healing. It's difficult to heal when most of the country wants to move on and half the country supports these violent insurrectionists but there's nothing like rigorously collated evidence presented calmly and with dignity to quash a year and half of gaslighting from Trump and the GOP. You aren't remembering it wrong. It was an insurrection.
Will it change anything... Probably not today in a climate where so many people care more about gas prices than dead kids in schools and half the electorate has been genuinely brainwashed by Trump and Fox News. But it has to be done. There needs to be a record so that 50 years from now if the country hasn't collapsed it will be known who was on the side of justice and the Constitution and who was on the side of insurrection and conspiracy. The facts have to be laid out and made clear. And voters (and more importantly future voters) who don't care today might care tomorrow or 10 years from now and when they seek out the information and the specifics, they'll find it. The receipts will be there. The testimony from Trump's inner circle will be there. Trump's phone call with Raffensperger will be there. These hearings will be there. The truth of that day will be inescapable.
Trump tried to steal the election with violence. Not just in the courts or on Twitter but with an armed mob of traitorous scum. We can never forget that. Trump is deluded psychopathic narcissistic monster. You can't just move on from that. You can't move on from what he did to this country or this democracy. He supplied a permission structure to voters, election officials, state legislatures, congresspeople to supersede the will of the people and to ignore electoral results that would diminish their power. He ineffably changed the landscape of American culture and irreversibly undermined the public's trust in democracy and all because he couldn't admit that he lost. And people died because of it. If there is a hell I hope he gets a heart attack from his junk food diet and fucking rots in it.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 21, 2022 19:07:50 GMT
I haven’t been watching these, but I’m glad they’re happening. The fucking idiots who continue to latch onto whitewashed conspiracy theories won’t pay attention anyways, but I’m glad that the Cheeto emperor is getting shown for who he really is.
And for those people still saying that he didn’t technically incite a riot, because his language was so vague…
If you repeatedly claim that the election was stolen, continue to push that narrative despite the evidence, refuse to a peaceful transition of power, enable your base by telling them they were wronged, and then tell them “if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not gonna have a country anymore…”
That. Is. Inciting. A riot!
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Post by quetee on Jun 21, 2022 19:09:57 GMT
finally started watching these. I remember how furious I was on Jan 6th and the following days and I didn't want to reopen those wounds. It was a very challenging time for me personally, to be watching the news unfold in front of my eyes (I was watching live coverage for basically two days straight) and have people in my life who were seeing the same thing and without skipping a beat deflecting from it or justifying it or hand-waving it away or blaming it on Antifa while focusing instead on new salacious conspiracy theories about Dominion machines involving some fucking guy in Italy or something. THAT'S what they were seeing on Jan 6th. Not the riot at the capitol. They were living in a different reality. That's why even when all the Republicans in the senate (save those 3 unnameable assholes) voted to confirm the results after what they had seen and experienced, they were already huge swaths of the country including ppl in my life who were ready to whitewash or ignore it while doubling down on Trump's big lie. That was a very painful time. So anyways, the point I'm trying to make is that watching these so far has been incredibly cathartic if not healing. It's difficult to heal when most of the country wants to move on and half the country supports these violent insurrectionists but there's nothing like rigorously collated evidence presented calmly and with dignity to quash a year and half of gaslighting from Trump and the GOP. You aren't remembering it wrong. It was an insurrection. Will it change anything... Probably not today in a climate where so many people care more about gas prices than dead kids in schools and half the electorate has been genuinely brainwashed by Trump and Fox News. But it has to be done. There needs to be a record so that 50 years from now if the country hasn't collapsed it will be known who was on the side of justice and the Constitution and who was on the side of insurrection and conspiracy. The facts have to be laid out and made clear. And voters (and more importantly future voters) who don't care today might care tomorrow or 10 years from now and when they seek out the information and the specifics, they'll find it. The receipts will be there. The testimony from Trump's inner circle will be there. Trump's phone call with Raffensperger will be there. These hearings will be there. The truth of that day will be inescapable. Trump tried to steal the election with violence. Not just in the courts or on Twitter but with an armed mob of traitorous scum. We can never forget that. Trump is deluded psychopathic narcissistic monster. You can't just move on from that. You can't move on from what he did to this country or this democracy. He supplied a permission structure to voters, election officials, state legislatures, congresspeople to supersede the will of the people and to ignore electoral results that would diminish their power. He ineffably changed the landscape of American culture and irreversibly undermined the public's trust in democracy and all because he couldn't admit that he lost. And people died because of it. If there is a hell I hope he gets a heart attack from his junk food diet and fucking rots in it. That pretty much sums this whole thing up. His ego couldn't accept defeat. I'm having a hard time processing this because I don't understand what it is that people see in Trump. I still can't believe half the country can't see that Trump lied for sport.
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Post by quetee on Jun 21, 2022 19:15:59 GMT
I haven’t been watching these, but I’m glad they’re happening. The fucking idiots who continue to latch onto whitewashed conspiracy theories won’t pay attention anyways, but I’m glad that the Cheeto emperor is getting shown for who he really is. And for those people still saying that he didn’t technically incite a riot, because his language was so vague… If you repeatedly claim that the election was stolen, continue to push that narrative despite the evidence, refuse to a peaceful transition of power, enable your base by telling them they were wronged, and then tell them “if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not gonna have a country anymore…” That. Is. Inciting. A riot! I think what needs to happen here and of course it won't but still, these people need to come to terms at what the real issue is here. Why do they believe this lie? What is the reason why they continue to believe this even though it is obvious that there was no election fraud. Fear of change, is that it?
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 21, 2022 19:32:10 GMT
I haven’t been watching these, but I’m glad they’re happening. The fucking idiots who continue to latch onto whitewashed conspiracy theories won’t pay attention anyways, but I’m glad that the Cheeto emperor is getting shown for who he really is. And for those people still saying that he didn’t technically incite a riot, because his language was so vague… If you repeatedly claim that the election was stolen, continue to push that narrative despite the evidence, refuse to a peaceful transition of power, enable your base by telling them they were wronged, and then tell them “if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not gonna have a country anymore…” That. Is. Inciting. A riot! I think what needs to happen here and of course it won't but still, these people need to come to terms at what the real issue is here. Why do they believe this lie? What is the reason why they continue to believe this even though it is obvious that there was no election fraud. Fear of change, is that it? I live in Central Florida, near the conservative Bible Belt, where I’ve been told while defending transgenderism, to my face, “Transgenderism is a mental illness.” It is absolutely a fear of change.
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Post by quetee on Jun 24, 2022 1:59:12 GMT
Trump: Just say it was corrupt.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 29, 2022 9:55:41 GMT
These hearings have turned completely stupid and batshit hilarious - noted "racist" (he's still not MAR, btw) Jeffrey Wells said this about Cassidy Hutchinson (photo below) - "Today Cassidy Hutchinson became the new John Dean, and in so doing carved her name and testimony into the marble stone of history. Today’s testimony from 26-year-old Hutchinson, who is either a young Millennial or an elderly Zoomer, is obviously fatal to Donald Trump." * I dunno man, but to me it sounded like her testimony basically was about Trump throwing his lunch at a wall - which I do often - and did this week when Djokovic lost a set a Wimbledon (um) - and maybe that Trump jumped to attack at a limo driver ......... or he was possbly just trying to change the radio station or pick up a French Fry. This is totally the new Christine Blasey Ford or Anita Hill where people who hate Trump freak out, people who love him say "So!?!" ...............and pacinoyes says: "Yeah.........I really have to stop throwing my lunch against the wall........I'm wasting good food and it could end up on TV"
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 29, 2022 17:05:24 GMT
I’m glad that we’ve had more posts about the Maxwell verdict than about yesterday’s absolute farce of a hearing. Sure I can see Trump smashing plates and throwing food around over hearing what he didn’t want to hear, but saying “I’m the fucking president” and lunging for the wheel of the presidential limo? You can’t seriously believe that. It’s not even physically possible for him to do it if he’s in the back seat This has been a show trial from the start but yesterday was just embarrassing. At least it accomplished its purpose of getting everyone to talk about this clown show instead of Maxwell getting off easy But I will say that this is yet another example of Trump’s incompetence. These people testifying against him are people that he hired or tried to hire. Hutchinson herself came to Trump looking for work 2 weeks after 1/6 and was turned down. The people testifying against Trump aren’t people who suddenly saw the light and decided to go against him, they were always against him. Trump is just a fool who didn’t know how to surround himself with the right people, always picking swamp creatures who are there to subvert his every move and yet his supporters think Trump will have learned his lesson and start putting “good guys” around him if he wins in 2024. He won’t, he hasn’t learned a damn thing and his supporters will end up very disappointed. The guy is almost 80 years old, he’s not gonna suddenly do things differently. He’s gonna stubbornly do what’s worked for him his entire life but doesn’t work here
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 29, 2022 17:40:04 GMT
"I don't care that they have weapons. They're not here to hurt me" - Trump on Jan 6th. Who are they there to hurt, Donald? Also Flynn pleading the 5th when asked if he believes in the peaceful transfer of power. These people are lunatics. Polling has been positive so far and Trump is definitely not getting the back approval he got from the first impeachment. Support for prosecuting Trump on criminal charges is between 50 and 60 percent depending on the poll, more than half of independent voters have been persuaded that Trump tried to stay in power through illegal means, and a majority of people view the hearings as fair.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 29, 2022 17:56:40 GMT
* I dunno man, but to me it sounded like her testimony basically was about Trump throwing his lunch at a wall - which I do often - and did this week when Djokovic lost a set a Wimbledon (um) - and maybe that Trump jumped to attack at a limo driver ......... or he was possbly just trying to change the radio station or pick up a French Fry. Nah man, the bigger story is that Trump knew some of the attendees at the Ellipse were armed and actively told staffers to remove metal detectors because "they aren't here to hurt me" (implying they were there to hurt someone), and then directed this same group of armed attendees which he knew were armed to march on the Capitol and intended and fought to join those attendees at the Capitol himself. And of course we already know when Trump was told about the hanging threats to Pence, Trump said "maybe he deserves it." The testimony confirms that at the very least he was willing to use violence to stay in power and in fact welcomed his supporters' violence. And yet you missed all that forest for the trees of Trump throwing lunch at the wall.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 29, 2022 18:07:03 GMT
* I dunno man, but to me it sounded like her testimony basically was about Trump throwing his lunch at a wall - which I do often - and did this week when Djokovic lost a set a Wimbledon (um) - and maybe that Trump jumped to attack at a limo driver ......... or he was possbly just trying to change the radio station or pick up a French Fry. And yet you missed all that forest for the trees of Trump throwing lunch at the wall. I did not miss that - but it's pretty hard to take seriously when they didn't vet their own star "witness". Come on, this is NBC news - you can't get more mainstream - and it took them all of 5 minutes to deflate her testimony You gotta keep your sense of humor.........or at the very least I have to keep mine........ymmv
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 29, 2022 18:07:57 GMT
The fantastic thing these hearings have done is contextualize the details we were already aware of. Trump telling people to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell" is more chilling when you know he was aware there were people in that crowd with rifles & handguns, and it's even more chilling that he explicitly directed secret service and staffers to let armed attendees join the crowd against everyone's advice. This is not complicated. He sent armed protesters to the Capitol and told them to "fight like hell" because violence is what he wanted.
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 29, 2022 18:14:16 GMT
"I don't care that they have weapons. They're not here to hurt me" - Trump on Jan 6th. Who are they there to hurt, Donald? Also Flynn pleading the 5th when asked if he believes in the peaceful transfer of power. These people are lunatics. Polling has been positive so far and Trump is definitely not getting the back approval he got from the first impeachment. Support for prosecuting Trump on criminal charges is between 50 and 60 percent depending on the poll, more than half of independent voters have been persuaded that Trump tried to stay in power through illegal means, and a majority of people view the hearings as fair. Trump getting prosecuted and actually being put away this time would be the best thing that could happen to the Republican Party
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 29, 2022 18:31:32 GMT
"I don't care that they have weapons. They're not here to hurt me" - Trump on Jan 6th. Who are they there to hurt, Donald? Also Flynn pleading the 5th when asked if he believes in the peaceful transfer of power. These people are lunatics. Polling has been positive so far and Trump is definitely not getting the back approval he got from the first impeachment. Support for prosecuting Trump on criminal charges is between 50 and 60 percent depending on the poll, more than half of independent voters have been persuaded that Trump tried to stay in power through illegal means, and a majority of people view the hearings as fair. Trump getting prosecuted and actually being put away this time would be the best thing that could happen to the Republican Party best thing to happen to the Republican Party is for them to consistently lose for a whole decade so they can finally re-evaluate their agenda and stop pushing extremist antidemocratic positions. GOP will make Trump a martyr if he gets prosecuted because all they know how to do is rile up their base.
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 29, 2022 21:34:03 GMT
Trump getting prosecuted and actually being put away this time would be the best thing that could happen to the Republican Party best thing to happen to the Republican Party is for them to consistently lose for a whole decade so they can finally re-evaluate their agenda and stop pushing extremist antidemocratic positions. That would be the best thing to happen to you I agree that they’ll martyr him if prosecuted and convicted tho - for better or worse. I’ve been of the opinion that since he lost the election (and especially after 1/6), Republicans should’ve just discarded Trump like a used condom but now they gotta placate his supporters while also paving the way for DeSantis
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 29, 2022 22:31:35 GMT
best thing to happen to the Republican Party is for them to consistently lose for a whole decade so they can finally re-evaluate their agenda and stop pushing extremist antidemocratic positions. That would be the best thing to happen to you
I agree that they’ll martyr him if prosecuted or convicted tho - for better or worse. I’ve been of the opinion that since he lost the election (and especially after 1/6), Republicans should’ve just discarded Trump like a used condom but now they gotta placate his supporters while also paving the way for DeSantis Can someone please think of the best thing that could happen to my fncking wallet for once? Kidding / not kidding After the midterm disaster (likely, come on) you may see the Democratic Party discard Biden like that used condom first - possibly for Gavin "The Haircut" Newsom - and once the dust settles then the stakes rise immediately and quickly and um, to me, pretty hilariously tbh.......that sort of a "reaction to the initial action". If you're running against Biden it's one thing ........but........the initial action will probably come on that side I'd bet Depends how bad midterms are for the Dems really because the worse they are then the more likely Newsom or somebody will jump in to challenge Biden / force him out......but whatever .........just think how much fun the MAR Political board will be on November 9th
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Post by Barbie on Jul 4, 2022 12:07:04 GMT
I agree with this
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