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Post by quetee on Jun 9, 2022 20:39:58 GMT
Was that Spielberg standing next to Cooper? Spielberg isn't in this video but he was indeed on the set (he's one of the producers). It was Spielberg in the video, well at least judging by this picture. Has to be.
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Post by Brother Fease on Jun 9, 2022 21:16:01 GMT
Spielberg isn't in this video but he was indeed on the set (he's one of the producers). It was Spielberg in the video, well at least judging by this picture. Has to be. Yes, it is Steven!
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Post by JangoB on Jun 9, 2022 21:19:58 GMT
Spielberg isn't in this video but he was indeed on the set (he's one of the producers). It was Spielberg in the video, well at least judging by this picture. Has to be. Am I misunderstanding something? Where is he in the video? If you mean this guy, it ain't Spielberg:
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 9, 2022 22:02:05 GMT
Is Spielberg "ghost directing " this thing?
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Post by JangoB on Jun 9, 2022 23:49:28 GMT
Is Spielberg "ghost directing " this thing? The Bradley Whisperer.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 11, 2022 16:06:12 GMT
Is Spielberg "ghost directing " this thing? The Bradley Whisperer.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 11, 2022 16:14:42 GMT
I dunno, unless Elvis completely flops box office wise, I feel like Austin Butler is the (current) frontrunner for Best Actor. He's got such a "star is born" narrative, combined with the type of shit the Academy love (biopic, playing an icon, transformative etc etc). Also the Denzel endorsement/discovery factor, and the industry really seems to want him to become a thing. Plus he does his own singing. It's the kind of acting job you can hype the shit out of during awards season. Butler just needs to make sure he doesn't become too annoying/obnoxious about his "process" (ala Lady Gaga).
Plus, when you got behind the scenes material like in the tweet below to plug Butler's work, it's an easy sell for voters.
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Post by stephen on Jun 11, 2022 16:28:53 GMT
I dunno, unless Elvis completely flops box office wise, I feel like Austin Butler is the (current) frontrunner for Best Actor. He's got such a "star is born" narrative, combined with the type of shit the Academy love (biopic, playing an icon, transformative etc etc). Also the Denzel endorsement/discovery factor, and the industry really seems to want him to become a thing . Plus he does his own singing. It's the kind of acting job you can hype the shit out of during awards season. Butler just needs to make sure he doesn't become to annoying/obnoxious about his "process" (ala Lady Gaga).Plus, when you got behind the scenes material like in the tweet below to plug Butler's work, it's an easy sell for voters. I think he's an easy sell for a nomination and the Globe win is seemingly all but assured, but that early release date gives me pause to call him the frontrunner, especially for a newcomer. I can see a Chalamet-esque trajectory for him for sure, except maybe without the critics' prizes (as Butler feels far more an industry player than a critics' thing). Top five at the moment, for sure, and maybe even top three. He just needs to stay in the conversation and for more established names to drop by the wayside. But if his film does Bohemian Rhapsody level numbers and becomes that level of a phenomenon, then I'll reassess. But even that film was an autumn release.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 11, 2022 16:52:27 GMT
I dunno, unless Elvis completely flops box office wise, I feel like Austin Butler is the (current) frontrunner for Best Actor. He's got such a "star is born" narrative, combined with the type of shit the Academy love (biopic, playing an icon, transformative etc etc). Also the Denzel endorsement/discovery factor, and the industry really seems to want him to become a thing . Plus he does his own singing. It's the kind of acting job you can hype the shit out of during awards season. Butler just needs to make sure he doesn't become to annoying/obnoxious about his "process" (ala Lady Gaga).Plus, when you got behind the scenes material like in the tweet below to plug Butler's work, it's an easy sell for voters. I think he's an easy sell for a nomination and the Globe win is seemingly all but assured, but that early release date gives me pause to call him the frontrunner, especially for a newcomer. I can see a Chalamet-esque trajectory for him for sure, except maybe without the critics' prizes (as Butler feels far more an industry player than a critics' thing). Top five at the moment, for sure, and maybe even top three. He just needs to stay in the conversation and for more established names to drop by the wayside. But if his film does Bohemian Rhapsody level numbers and becomes that level of a phenomenon, then I'll reassess. But even that film was an autumn release. I think Butler (aside from the release date) has a far bigger potential upside with Academy voters for the win, than Chalamet ever did. I personally don't think Chalamet was ever in any danger of winning the Oscar, despite critics going hard for him. He was a super-young male actor, and their was no obvious transformative/technical aspect to his performance. It was really a critics thing that that pushed him to the nomination. Butter is giving the type of showy/ technical/transformative performance that frequently wins Oscars (accent, singing, physicality etc). Add to that he's playing an icon everyone is completely familiar with. He's young, but at 30 (around the age when Adrien Brody won), not almost a kid like Chalamet was.If he is still in the hunt for a nod come awards season, he'll be a threat to win in a way Chalamet never had what it took to be.
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Post by stephen on Jun 11, 2022 17:29:21 GMT
I think he's an easy sell for a nomination and the Globe win is seemingly all but assured, but that early release date gives me pause to call him the frontrunner, especially for a newcomer. I can see a Chalamet-esque trajectory for him for sure, except maybe without the critics' prizes (as Butler feels far more an industry player than a critics' thing). Top five at the moment, for sure, and maybe even top three. He just needs to stay in the conversation and for more established names to drop by the wayside. But if his film does Bohemian Rhapsody level numbers and becomes that level of a phenomenon, then I'll reassess. But even that film was an autumn release. I think Butler (aside from the release date) has a far bigger potential upside with Academy voters for the win, than Chalamet ever did. I personally don't think Chalamet was ever in any danger of winning the Oscar, despite critics going hard for him. He was a super-young male actor, and their was no obvious transformative/technical aspect to his performance. It was really a critics thing that that pushed him to the nomination. Butter is giving the type of showy/ technical/transformative performance that frequently wins Oscars (accent, singing, physicality etc). Add to that he's playing an icon everyone is completely familiar with. He's young, but at 30 (around the age when Adrien Brody won), not almost a kid like Chalamet was.If he is still in the hunt for a nod come awards season, he'll be a threat to win in a way Chalamet never had what it took to be. I agree that the win upside is higher with Butler than it is with Chalamet (I never bought that Chalamet was ever a major threat for the win, as I thought Oldman had it in the bag almost from the jump just by virtue of the casting/basicness of the film, Kaluuya had the big breakout and was usurping a lot of Chalamet's own thunder for that "newbie" spot, Day-Lewis had his swan song, and Denzel had his loyal contingent), but I think they will share similar pitfalls, primarily as it comes to age. Brody had the benefit of a film that was surging at the perfect time (give it another couple of weeks and it might've won Best Picture) and his competitors were all previous Oscar winners. If I had any faith that Elvis could replicate the trajectory of The Pianist, I'd be more confident that Butler could win and the Brody comparison would hold more water with me. What Butler would essentially be trying to do, in my eyes, is replicate the normal trajectory of a Best Actress winner, as the ingenue factor is much more apparent there than with the male categories (hence why Brody is such an outlier). Butler has the role and the reviews, that's not up for debate. He's likely to have at least one industry win under his belt (albeit the least important one, and depending on whether it's televised or not, can we really give a damn about what the HFPA does anymore?), so there's that as well. But right now it's all about the competition and whether Elvis can make bank. There is definitely a path for Butler, but I don't think it's a clean one as of yet.
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Post by quetee on Jun 11, 2022 18:19:29 GMT
I dunno, unless Elvis completely flops box office wise, I feel like Austin Butler is the (current) frontrunner for Best Actor. He's got such a "star is born" narrative, combined with the type of shit the Academy love (biopic, playing an icon, transformative etc etc). Also the Denzel endorsement/discovery factor, and the industry really seems to want him to become a thing . Plus he does his own singing. It's the kind of acting job you can hype the shit out of during awards season. Butler just needs to make sure he doesn't become too annoying/obnoxious about his "process" (ala Lady Gaga).Plus, when you got behind the scenes material like in the tweet below to plug Butler's work, it's an easy sell for voters.
It'll probably make about 50mil at the domestic box office. Elvis is an icon and Austin has that going for him. I think the early release helps him here rather than hurt him. The odds of this scoring a bp nod are slim because people don't tend to go for Baz's movies. It won't be positioned as a year end Oscar contender due to its release date but by Christmas more people will have seen the movie due to it being on HBO MAX or whatever. It also doesn't hurt that Tom Hanks is in the movie and boomer voters will watch it just because he's in it.
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Post by morton on Jun 12, 2022 1:36:54 GMT
I dunno, unless Elvis completely flops box office wise, I feel like Austin Butler is the (current) frontrunner for Best Actor. He's got such a "star is born" narrative, combined with the type of shit the Academy love (biopic, playing an icon, transformative etc etc). Also the Denzel endorsement/discovery factor, and the industry really seems to want him to become a thing . Plus he does his own singing. It's the kind of acting job you can hype the shit out of during awards season. Butler just needs to make sure he doesn't become to annoying/obnoxious about his "process" (ala Lady Gaga).Plus, when you got behind the scenes material like in the tweet below to plug Butler's work, it's an easy sell for voters. I think he's an easy sell for a nomination and the Globe win is seemingly all but assured, but that early release date gives me pause to call him the frontrunner, especially for a newcomer. I can see a Chalamet-esque trajectory for him for sure, except maybe without the critics' prizes (as Butler feels far more an industry player than a critics' thing). Top five at the moment, for sure, and maybe even top three. He just needs to stay in the conversation and for more established names to drop by the wayside. But if his film does Bohemian Rhapsody level numbers and becomes that level of a phenomenon, then I'll reassess. But even that film was an autumn release. I do think he has a good chance of a nomination right now, but it’s still very early, and maybe I’m being dumb but I don’t see a win at all given his age and still being relatively unknown. The nomination, if he gets it, will be seen as the reward. I know Elvis is very popular still, but I don’t think this will be as big as Bohemian Rhapsody. I don’t know if young people are into or even aware of Elvis as they were for Freddie Mercury. Like there are still classic rock or light rock radio stations that will play Queen songs daily unlike Elvis’s songs. Plus Wayne’s World helped bring a lot of attention to Queen even though that was awhile back, I think it lead to a lot of younger fans of Queen later on once those that were younger at the time of that film’s release taught their kids about Queen. I can’t think of anything like that for Elvis in that same time. There was Forrest Gump, but Elvis was just one of many famous people Forrest met in his life. Plus while I think Elvis lead a very tragic life, I’m not sure how the film is going to handle his relationship with Priscilla, whereas even with Bohemian Rhapsody having untruths about Mercury, there was nothing, imo, like that potential bomb. I’m sure it will mostly be ignored, but it’s possible there is discourse about it.
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Post by flasuss on Jun 12, 2022 13:37:07 GMT
Yeah, I also see Butler as a nominee rather than a winner. People keep mentioning Malek (who was by that point an Emmy winner for a hit show already) but the year after people were treating Taron Edgerton (who was a much more well known actor than Butler is) as a frontrunner as well and he wasn't even nominated. And I'm not sure Elvis will be as big of a hit as BR, the demographic that grew up idolizing him is much older, goes to movies much less, and was also the most affected by COVID.
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Post by stephen on Jun 12, 2022 13:40:24 GMT
Yeah, I also see Butler as a nominee rather than a winner. People keep mentioning Malek (who was by that point an Emmy winner for a hit show already) but the year after people were treating Taron Edgerton (who was a much more well known actor than Butler is) as a frontrunner as well and he wasn't even nominated. And I'm not sure Elvis will be as big of a hit as BR, the demographic that grew up idolizing him is much older, goes to movies much less, and was also the most affected by COVID. Egerton probably does much, much better with the awards traction if Bohemian Rhapsody hadn't just come out the year before, though. I think there was definitely a case of "wait, didn't we already do this song-and-dance with a beloved British LGBTQ+ musical icon in an extremely safe biopic directed by Dexter Fletcher just last year?" going on.
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Post by flasuss on Jun 12, 2022 20:28:36 GMT
Surely, he might have done better, but would he have won against Phoenix? Or even against Driver? I don't know.
Another good comparison might be Andra Day, although admittedly in a much smaller movie, but it's very rare for someone not well known to win as lead, even more for males.
Only one I can think of in the last 15 years or so is Dujardin, but he was both already big in France and in a BP winner.
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Post by stephen on Jun 12, 2022 20:38:29 GMT
Surely, he might have done better, but would he have won against Phoenix? Or even against Driver? I don't know. Another good comparison might be Andra Day, although admittedly in a much smaller movie, but it's very rare for someone not well known to win as lead, even more for males. Only one I can think of in the last 15 years or so is Dujardin, but he was both already big in France and in a BP winner. I definitely don't think he would've won against Phoenix -- what clinched the win for Joaquin was how massive a success at the box office Joker was. But I think he would still get in over Pryce or Banderas if there hadn't been a sense of "been there, done that" with Rocketman.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 13, 2022 3:52:34 GMT
In regards to Butler, I'd also say that he feels like a natural pick to potentially win SAG as well, not just the Musical/Comedy Globe. The nature of his trajectory from unheralded TV actor since childhood, to getting discovered as a "serious actor" on Broadway and landing a star making role in Elvis thanks to being noticed by the greatest living American actor, is the type of fairy tale actors grinding to success that would appeal to that group. Not to mention the role itself and it's populist nature, which suits SAG.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jul 11, 2022 2:46:48 GMT
His makeup reminds me of Being the Ricardos, aka awful.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 13, 2023 11:10:39 GMT
I suppose now that Blanchett lost, Cooper won’t have the problem of “we already just gave an Oscar to someone who played a conductor.”
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 13, 2023 11:23:49 GMT
He will inevitably be compared to Blanchett and I sincerely doubt Cooper would be able to measure up.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 13, 2023 11:48:53 GMT
This is a classic MAR thread - it's a legit OP question .......... derailed by people earlier talking about Austin Butler (who is still not hot btw), I think Cooper has a shot IF he gets Mr. Denzel Washington to praise him ......oh yeah that didn't matter this year for Butler either because why would it ever matter Cooper essentially trading his fortunes for an awful year for Male acting in 2022 for a Holy Shit - 1982 level year in 2023 - Phoenix, DiCap, Murphy, ....at what point does his narrative and luck take over from the year itself ..... there's the directing yourself to a win factor too - Olivier, Benigni......I know his film wasnt ready but: I still say DiCap is the favorite which if true would be almost harsh to Cooper who is along with PTA the Erica Kane / Susan Lucci of Modern Oscar Cruelty........
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Post by morton on Mar 13, 2023 14:12:42 GMT
This is a classic MAR thread - it's a legit OP question .......... derailed by people earlier talking about Austin Butler (who is still not hot btw), I think Cooper has a shot IF he gets Mr. Denzel Washington to praise him ......oh yeah that didn't matter this year for Butler either because why would it ever matter Cooper essentially trading his fortunes for an awful year for Male acting in 2022 for a Holy Shit - 1982 level year in 2023 - Phoenix, DiCap, Murphy, ....at what point does his narrative and luck take over from the year itself ..... there's the directing yourself to a win factor too - Olivier, Benigni......I know his film wasnt ready but: I still say DiCap is the favorite which if true would be almost harsh to Cooper who is along with PTA the Erica Kane / Susan Lucci of Modern Oscar Cruelty........ Cooper does have the advantage of playing a famous person in heavy prosthetics, but I’m not sure lightning will strike again so soon for Cooper. Plus I never thought I’d say this so soon, but I’m not sure what’s going on with Netflix. All Quiet did do great, but it took them a long time to settle on it. Plus, their business model is starting to show cracks especially in how much they’re able to spend on campaigning. In fact I didn’t really feel the studios barring a few films that were heavily promoted did that much like they usually do, which could be a sign of things to come. Maybe because we were still affected by the pandemic, but like TIFF and Telluride still don’t seem at full power yet, and I’m not sure the latter will ever be what it was after the pandemic since I think studios might opt to go with either Venice or TIFF as their main launching pad and not try to do two or more fall festivals any more at the same time.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 13, 2023 14:34:32 GMT
This is a classic MAR thread - it's a legit OP question .......... derailed by people earlier talking about Austin Butler (who is still not hot btw), I think Cooper has a shot IF he gets Mr. Denzel Washington to praise him ......oh yeah that didn't matter this year for Butler either because why would it ever matter Cooper essentially trading his fortunes for an awful year for Male acting in 2022 for a Holy Shit - 1982 level year in 2023 - Phoenix, DiCap, Murphy, ....at what point does his narrative and luck take over from the year itself ..... there's the directing yourself to a win factor too - Olivier, Benigni......I know his film wasnt ready but: I still say DiCap is the favorite which if true would be almost harsh to Cooper who is along with PTA the Erica Kane / Susan Lucci of Modern Oscar Cruelty........ Cooper does have the advantage of playing a famous person in heavy prosthetics, but I’m not sure lightning will strike again so soon for Cooper. Plus I never thought I’d say this so soon, but I’m not sure what’s going on with Netflix. All Quiet did do great, but it took them a long time to settle on it. Plus, their business model is starting to show cracks especially in how much they’re able to spend on campaigning. In fact I didn’t really feel the studios barring a few films that were heavily promoted did that much like they usually do, which could be a sign of things to come. Maybe because we were still affected by the pandemic, but like TIFF and Telluride still don’t seem at full power yet, and I’m not sure the latter will ever be what it was after the pandemic since I think studios might opt to go with either Venice or TIFF as their main launching pad and not try to do two or more fall festivals any more at the same time. I think all things considered that Netflix did well. They didn't settle on All Quiet until really late in the season and it became clear that neither Pinocchio nor Glass Onion had the in, and they still came away with 4 wins for a foreign language film that had no names to market it. Maestro should be their clear horse unless it underperforms critically, few work the circuit better than Bradley Cooper, and it's a Leonard Bernstein movie so there's plenty of other stuff for them to capitalize on - they could drop a whole separate Bernstein documentary alongside it.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 13, 2023 15:05:19 GMT
I think we have an interesting early 8:
Cooper DiCaprio Murphy Keoghan Domingo Ben-Adir Majors Phoenix
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