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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Apr 2, 2022 20:54:19 GMT
For what it’s worth, I asked my wife who’s is a non-cinefile in her early 30’s who she thought the GOAT living actor and actress was and her answer was DDL and Meryl Streep.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 2, 2022 21:22:43 GMT
This is just my parents, but dad likes Sylvester Stallone and Chuck Norris. Not sure if he considers them the GOAT, or that he's even seen enough movies to have such an opinion, but this is just what I've heard him talk about.
My mom has only ever talked about Leonardo DiCaprio and Clint Eastwood. Tho she hasn't seen the stuff they've done in the last 25 years. I don't think she knows Brad Pitt for example. She doesn't know Denzel either, but I think but that's mostly because his films (stylized crime) aren't the type she likes. She talked about Nicolas Cage before, but I think it's based on Face/Off and his huge popularity in the late 90s. Also, mom tends to go by looks more so her opinion on Cage and DiCaprio is probably because she likes their looks mainly.
Neither mom or dad has one inkling of a clue who DDL is tho. They know Arnold (whether they like him or not), but they have a complete blind spot with DDL.
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Post by skibidido on Apr 2, 2022 21:37:18 GMT
American celebrities are the biggest in America. Other countries has their own celebrities and they get more attention. I'm not sure the average non-American would know who Meryl Streep even is and if they do, they probable can't name more than 3 of her movies.
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Post by cherry68 on Apr 2, 2022 23:42:12 GMT
It's peculiar how the answers in this thread are almost only by Americans.
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Post by bob-coppola on Apr 2, 2022 23:51:33 GMT
Considering how much talk there is about who general audiences consider the GOAT, I gotta ask: do y'all ever even hear non-cinephiles talking about who's the GOAT anymore? The argument made sense when stars carried films, but with star power meaning less now than ever before and media culture being so fragmented, audiences probably don't give much of a damn about Denzel vs. DDL or Pacino vs. De Niro debates. Meryl Streep probably has the most solidified reputation of GOAT in the industry and with the public, but it's not like her skill holds audiences so captive they were rushing to stream Let Them All Talk. I kinda agree with this. For casual moviegoers, being likable or cool is as important, if not more, than being talented. Many kids went to see Uncharted and watched that Devil All The Time movie the day it came out on Netflix because of Tom Holland. Do they think Holland is an all-time great? Hell, I hope not! I'm positive that the question hasn't even been brought up - and this alone is pretty telling, isn't it? But I do think prestige still holds a special place in this equation of importance. On one hand you have Tom Holland, who's the embodiment of Marvel and that's why he became so popular. On the other, you have Kristen Stewart, Robert Pattinson, Timothée Chalamet... Young actors who have managed to turn this mystical idea of being associated with festival-going, critic-darling movies into a profitable career with engaging audiences willing to follow them. They might not sell as many tickets as Sandra Bullock, but having Spencer outselling Belfast, Nightmare Alley and many others for a while can only be linked to people wanting to see that specific actress playing Diana. I mean, not everyone can be Margot Robbie, with her own tentpole on weekdays and auteurs like Tarantino and Chazelle on the weekends.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 0:35:12 GMT
I'm not sure the average non-American would know who Meryl Streep even is
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Post by stabcaesar on Apr 3, 2022 6:27:39 GMT
It's peculiar how the answers in this thread are almost only by Americans. Such is the case on all websites in English.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 3, 2022 6:39:52 GMT
We have a lot of Indian users - some of our best posters actually - who I would have thought would say Amitabh Bachchan as a "Streep and DePac equivalent"......but maybe that's just what I know of his reputation and is not their own experience? He's another in that long list of "GOAT" males but is unique I would think too given his position wihin the industry. I think a lot of non-American Users maybe skipped the thread because it's kind of an elusive - hard to really grasp question imo, tbh.....
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Post by cherry68 on Apr 3, 2022 7:46:22 GMT
It's peculiar how the answers in this thread are almost only by Americans. Such is the case on all websites in English. I was underlining how a thread such as "A question for non - Americans" is answered by Americans, as if they knew better the perception of who is considered the greatest actress in other countries. As if we were unable to answer for ourselves. It sounds extremely paternalistic.
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Post by skibidido on Apr 3, 2022 10:03:49 GMT
I'm not sure the average non-American would know who Meryl Streep even is Are you American? Very typical American thought to think they are the center of the earth.
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Post by Drish on Apr 3, 2022 13:29:40 GMT
We have a lot of Indian users - some of our best posters actually - who I would have thought would say Amitabh Bachchan as a "Streep and DePac equivalent"......but maybe that's just what I know of his reputation and is not their own experience? Pretty much this, yes. It's easily him when it comes to best actor. Although Naseeruddin Shah, Mohanlal and Rajnikanth are other contenders as well. I do think DDL and De Niro are the international favorites. Streep is definitely the most revered for the actresses whereas Tabu, Shabana Azmi and Sridevi are generally considered the GOATs of indian cinema. What do @miles and @pavan think?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 17:27:48 GMT
Are you American? Very typical American thought to think they are the center of the earth. If I truly felt that way, do you think I would genuinely be interested in what non-Americans think?
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Post by wilcinema on Apr 4, 2022 18:10:36 GMT
Speaking of Fernanda Montenegro - being royalty in Brazil .........how about Carmen Maura in Spain? Like I always hear she's lauded to an insane degree though Montenegro was maybe different because she had populist TV works which so strongly identified her to audiences. Maura though did so much great and quirky work and lauded work too - I could see her being maybe (?) close to Streep - or their version of Streep? wilcinema who this thread is screaming for right now, tbh....... I can't precisely answer on Carmen Maura because I'm not Spanish though I loved her in everything I've seen her in and she's probably my favorite Spanish actress.
I can say something about Italy though. Meryl is very beloved and she's very, very popular. I've had conversations on cinema with both cinephiles and casual moviegoers/moviewatchers here, and every time her name is brought up it's usually followed by praise. I personally don't think she's the goat, and probably I wouldn't even place her in my Top 10 of actresses, but I grew up watching a loooot of her movies because she's probably my mom's favorite actress.
Sophia is the #1 Actress in Italy, she's had so many iconic roles in Italian films that it's inevitable that the Italian public sees her as the best.
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Post by speeders on Apr 5, 2022 1:30:34 GMT
I think it's probably Kate Winslet for actress, with Cate Blanchett second.
For men, I'm not sure? Daniel-Day Lewis, Gary Oldman, Denzel Washington and Tom Hanks, either of those 4.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Apr 9, 2022 11:39:45 GMT
For foreign actors, it depends to who you ask, let's say that the word "generally" means a mix of everything and in that everything you have to remember that 98% of people aren't serious cinephiles, so you can already say goodbye to Sophie's Choice, Silkwood, A Cry in the Dark, etc... I would say that Meryl's most popular serious role in France is The Bridges of Madison County and it's also the one that's often on TV (Out Of Africa from her older roles too) and that's VERY important thing, for average people the line between "Best" and "Favorite (and popular)" is extremely thin, more often than not, their best is their favorites and vice versa. Also The Devil Wears Prada is one of the most important roles of her career, especially for her "popularity" and how she gained a whole new generation(s) of fans because of it.
During the 90's until mid-00's, for serious actresses, it was pretty much all about Jodie Foster in France, thanks to The Silence of the Lambs and the fact that she's perfectly fluent in French and was often doing interviews, it felt like she's one of us. Sigourney Weaver is/was also big, it's funny how 1 role can carry you for decades in the eyes of average people. Having that great role that will appeal to the mass is important and some extraordinay actors sadly don't have it.
But if we talk about that 1-2% of cinephiles, yeah in 2022, Meryl is probably the defaut number 1. For men it's always the same great, lead, iconic American actors, De Niro, Pacino, Nicholson, Denzel, Hanks and Leo too. And for average people, the more popular of these 6 which are the 3 youngers, they are more "in the moment" and something important, they appeal to women much more, not neccessarlly physically for Hanks who is seen like the perfect brother/son-in-law/friend, etc... for them, Denzel has the best of both worlds and Leo arguably too (and these last two also appeal to younger audiences much more). And I forgot to mention Clint too, he has a very special place in French's (especially older) people hearts too.
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