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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Mar 18, 2022 0:00:53 GMT
Like, Campion’s obviously the lock for Director, and so far it’s the favorite to win Picture (assuming CODA or something else doesn’t triumph at PGA’s), but…
Is that it? I know similar things have happened (Spotlight won with only Screenplay to supplement), but it feels strange that it looked the frontrunner in half a dozen categories, to now 2, with three categories a 50/50 or dark horse chance).
All I know is this season is getting REAL interesting, and I’m living for the chaos.
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Post by Brother Fease on Mar 18, 2022 1:42:36 GMT
Like, Campion’s obviously the lock for Director, and so far it’s the favorite to win Picture (assuming CODA or something else doesn’t triumph at PGA’s), but… Is that it? I know similar things have happened (Spotlight won with only Screenplay to supplement), but it feels strange that it looked the frontrunner in half a dozen categories, to now 2, with three categories a 50/50 or dark horse chance). All I know is this season is getting REAL interesting, and I’m living for the chaos. Historically, best picture winners win at least two of the following: director, screenplay, acting, editing.
2020 - Nomadland won picture, director, actress 2019 - Parasite won picture, director, original screenplay 2018 - Green Book won picture, supporting actor, original screenplay 2017 - Shape of Water won director 2016 - Moonlight won picture, supporting actor, and adapted screenplay 2015 - Spotlight just won original screenplay 2014 - Birdman won picture, director, original screenplay 2000 - Gladiator just won actor 1995 - Braveheart just won director. 1981 - Chariots of Fire just won original screenplay.
Dog's best 2nd big win would most likely be Adapted Screenplay.
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Post by stephen on Mar 18, 2022 1:43:36 GMT
I'm getting a vibe that it'll be Picture/Director/Cinematography.
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Post by mrimpossible on Mar 18, 2022 1:44:19 GMT
I still think Picture, Director and Adapted Screenplay.
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Post by filmnoir on Mar 18, 2022 1:47:39 GMT
Like, Campion’s obviously the lock for Director, and so far it’s the favorite to win Picture (assuming CODA or something else doesn’t triumph at PGA’s), but… Is that it? I know similar things have happened (Spotlight won with only Screenplay to supplement), but it feels strange that it looked the frontrunner in half a dozen categories, to now 2, with three categories a 50/50 or dark horse chance). All I know is this season is getting REAL interesting, and I’m living for the chaos. Historically, best picture winners win at least two of the following: director, screenplay, acting, editing.
2020 - Nomadland won picture, director, actress 2019 - Parasite won picture, director, original screenplay 2018 - Green Book won picture, supporting actor, original screenplay 2017 - Shape of Water won director 2016 - Moonlight won picture, supporting actor, and adapted screenplay 2015 - Spotlight just won original screenplay 2014 - Birdman won picture, director, original screenplay 2000 - Gladiator just won actor 1995 - Braveheart just won director. 1981 - Chariots of Fire just won original screenplay.
Dog's best 2nd big win would most likely be Adapted Screenplay.
But TPOTD lost BAFTA Adapted Screenplay AND USC Scripter. I don't think AMPAS will give 3 Oscars to Campion. They didn't give Zhao 3 personal wins last year.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Mar 18, 2022 1:55:03 GMT
I'm getting a vibe that it'll be Picture/Director/Cinematography. I’m thinking the same, but at the same time… Dune’s picking up momentum in Cinematography. And as far as I know, nominees in the technical field are left blank (it’s the movies, but the recipients aren’t there), so it could favor either Dune or Dog. Wegner has the BP frontrunner and would make an historic win, but Dune’s more flashy and Fraser himself is garnering a reputation. So I really don’t know
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Post by stephen on Mar 18, 2022 1:57:21 GMT
I'm getting a vibe that it'll be Picture/Director/Cinematography. I’m thinking the same, but at the same time… Dune’s picking up momentum in Cinematography. And as far as I know, nominees in the technical field are left blank (it’s the movies, but the recipients aren’t there), so it could favor either Dune or Dog. Wegner has the BP frontrunner and would make an historic win, but Dune’s more flashy and Fraser himself is garnering a reputation. So I really don’t know Dune makes the most sense traditionally (and if Fraser wins ASC, I think I'd wind up predicting Dune to win), but I think Wegner just makes a lot of sense if we take the vibe of the season's narrative as a whole. She'd shatter a glass ceiling in a year celebrating women behind the camera (and I just feel like Adapted Screenplay is going to wind up going to another female filmmaker -- either Gyllenhaal or Sian Heder), and it's the tech that makes the most sense for The Power of the Dog to actually win. Plus Fraser's got the second film he could wind up winning for, if they're in a "Let's wait to reward the franchise" mood.
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Post by Brother Fease on Mar 18, 2022 2:08:59 GMT
Historically, best picture winners win at least two of the following: director, screenplay, acting, editing.
2020 - Nomadland won picture, director, actress 2019 - Parasite won picture, director, original screenplay 2018 - Green Book won picture, supporting actor, original screenplay 2017 - Shape of Water won director 2016 - Moonlight won picture, supporting actor, and adapted screenplay 2015 - Spotlight just won original screenplay 2014 - Birdman won picture, director, original screenplay 2000 - Gladiator just won actor 1995 - Braveheart just won director. 1981 - Chariots of Fire just won original screenplay.
Dog's best 2nd big win would most likely be Adapted Screenplay.
But TPOTD lost BAFTA Adapted Screenplay AND USC Scripter. I don't think AMPAS will give 3 Oscars to Campion. They didn't give Zhao 3 personal wins last year.
So what? The BAFTA didn't give Bong Director or Picture. BAFTA didn't give it to fellow Brit Tom Hooper for The King's Speech.
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Post by filmnoir on Mar 18, 2022 2:22:50 GMT
But TPOTD lost BAFTA Adapted Screenplay AND USC Scripter. I don't think AMPAS will give 3 Oscars to Campion. They didn't give Zhao 3 personal wins last year.
So what? The BAFTA didn't give Bong Director or Picture. BAFTA didn't give it to fellow Brit Tom Hooper for The King's Speech. So, what's your argument that it will likely win Adapted Screenplay?
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 18, 2022 3:30:18 GMT
Still sticking with Picture, Director and Screenplay.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 18, 2022 4:58:51 GMT
I'm gonna say Director and that's it.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 18, 2022 6:41:05 GMT
it only feels safe for picture/director. Screenplay, cinematography are toss-ups, score is a dark horse, Cumberbatch and Smit-McPhee are unlikely. Doesn't feel right to say it wins only picture and director, which makes me wonder if something else swoops in for BP at the last minute like CODA if that ends up taking screenplay.
I'll go with Picture/Director/Screenplay
I think they'll default to the tech juggernaut for cinematography. They almost always go for the biggest and showiest choice and Dune being the VFX frontrunner helps Fraser too.
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Post by Brother Fease on Mar 18, 2022 11:49:41 GMT
So what? The BAFTA didn't give Bong Director or Picture. BAFTA didn't give it to fellow Brit Tom Hooper for The King's Speech. So, what's your argument that it will likely win Adapted Screenplay? Yes. It won Critics Choice and won the most critics circle awards. It is unfortunate that WGA rules made both Belfast and Dog ineligible. Another possibility would be Film Editing.
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Post by Brother Fease on Mar 18, 2022 12:01:56 GMT
it only feels safe for picture/director. Screenplay, cinematography are toss-ups, score is a dark horse, Cumberbatch and Smit-McPhee are unlikely. D oesn't feel right to say it wins only picture and director, which makes me wonder if something else swoops in for BP at the last minute like CODA if that ends up taking screenplay.I'll go with Picture/Director/Screenplay I think they'll default to the tech juggernaut for cinematography. They almost always go for the biggest and showiest choice and Dune being the VFX frontrunner helps Fraser too. I think the PGA winner will be crucial here. Dog has all the nominations, but has consistently come up short with the Guilds, besides Director. A PGA win would grant them a 2nd big Guild victory. You're correct to point out how odd it would be that the Best Picture winner with 12 nominations would only win Picture and Director.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 18, 2022 12:25:06 GMT
If it wins BP, than along with Director I think it would bring along either Screenplay, Cinematography or both. If it loses, BP, which I still think is in the realm of possibility, then I think it only wins Director.
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Post by DeepArcher on Mar 18, 2022 13:57:31 GMT
I’m probably overreacting to this past weekend’s results, but right now I’m thinking Campion gets the lone Director win and that’s it. CODA’s clearly just peaking right now (as voting is happening) that the momentum surge seems undeniable, not to mention we’ve seen this same narrative of the presumed frontrunner floundering at the finish line for not inspiring enough passion time and time again.
And tbh even if Dog wins PGA, that on its own won’t necessarily convince me. If CODA wins WGA, then it’s in the same position Parasite was — so it’s happened before. If CODA doesn’t win either this weekend, though, then maybe I’ll change my tune.
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Post by filmnoir on Mar 18, 2022 15:11:29 GMT
So, what's your argument that it will likely win Adapted Screenplay? Yes. It won Critics Choice and won the most critics circle awards. It is unfortunate that WGA rules made both Belfast and Dog ineligible. Another possibility would be Film Editing. But it's Screenplay wins have not been consistent where it counts. It lost the Globe, BAFTA, USC Scripter.
Screenplay may be a category where Campion is the most vulnerable, especially if she wins for director and producer. And she already has an Oscar for Screenplay.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 18, 2022 16:17:26 GMT
yeah I'm always pretty wary about BP frontrunners. They usually peak early and then get called overhyped and something else wins out. Moonlight over La La Land, Green Book over Roma, Parasite over 1917. The guilds, HFPA, Bafta goes one way and AMPAS comes through and changes the game at the last minute, and they can do that because they always get the last word. Nomadland was the only won that was undeniable all the way through and 2020/2021 was a particularly weak season.
I'm starting to get a sinking feeling that CODA might take BP with screenplay and supporting actor (the same wins Green Book) got. The more I think about it I'm coming around to the idea that Power of the Dog feels likeliest for BP and director and I don't think it'll win the big one with just those two wins from 12 nominations (if it wins cinematography and adapted screenplay on the night I'll change my tune but I'm betting against that rn). It might be another Roma situation. I think more people probably admire than love it.
maybe I'm reading too much into the honest ballot but their narrative is convincing.
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Post by wonky on Mar 18, 2022 17:35:11 GMT
When was the last time a movie only won Director? Giant?
Looks like Quiet Man also only won Director and Cinematography.
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Post by Brother Fease on Mar 18, 2022 19:55:35 GMT
When was the last time a movie only won Director? Giant? Looks like Quiet Man also only won Director and Cinematography. The Graduate
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Post by wonky on Mar 18, 2022 20:18:08 GMT
Thought it won screenplay too, wow. Well, Dame Jane wouldn't be in terrible company.
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Post by ibbi on Mar 20, 2022 18:54:34 GMT
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Mar 20, 2022 19:15:24 GMT
So maybe only directing. Holy shit
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Post by Drish on Mar 20, 2022 19:18:05 GMT
I mean I really liked CODA but come on.. The Power of the Dog is genuinely the best film of the year, it would be so cool if it wins. Would be so deserved.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 20, 2022 19:56:18 GMT
hmmm yeah, so it's looking like CODA will be our next Green Book
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