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Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 24, 2022 18:03:25 GMT
Wasn't a fan. I don't outright hate it, but there was very little about it that I enjoyed. As noted some of the dialogue makes the Nolan movies sound like Shakespeare (sidenote: I love the Nolan films, but I know a lot of you look down on them all the while hailing a film where a guy jerks off to a mermaid pendant and gets farted on.... god, I hated The Lighthouse).
If they wanted to keep the noir feel to it, it should have taken place primarily at the Iceberg Lounge... and had more Farrell.
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Post by countjohn on Apr 24, 2022 20:07:07 GMT
(sidenote: I love the Nolan films, but I know a lot of you look down on them all the while hailing a film where a guy jerks off to a mermaid pendant and gets farted on.... god, I hated The Lighthouse). If they wanted to keep the noir feel to it, it should have taken place primarily at the Iceberg Lounge... and had more Farrell. LOL, I should see The Lighthouse now I do agree that Farrell should have been the main villain, though. Loved him.
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Post by Barbie on Apr 25, 2022 2:51:36 GMT
This was boring for the most part. Pattinson did a good job, but Bale was the better Batman and Bruce Wayne. Pattinson and Kravitz had ZERO chemistry btw. But people on Twitter hyped them up bc they’re attractive and these losers are horny and starved for sex 🙄
Shout out to Colin Farrell and the make-up department! I was shocked that was him. The team has to get an Oscar nomination at the very least next year. Farrell managed to do really well with his screen time and the heavy makeup. He was definitely the best out of the cast imo
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Post by JangoB on Apr 26, 2022 2:09:13 GMT
Loved. This is Matt Reeves stepping into the shoes of a properly awesome filmmaker (and I don't mean the obvious but, imo, lovingly executed Fincher influences) as opposed to the merely decent one he was before. Let's see if he keeps it up though - one wrong move and it's very easy to become barefoot again. Same can be said about Greig Fraser too - he was always good but between "Dune" and this he's upped the ante to a remarkable extent. Magnificently shot stuff.
I can't find too many flaws about this at all - I felt nothing but satisfied for the whole three glorious hours. I love it when a movie, especially a genre pic, feels like a delicious and properly full meal instead of a mere hors d'oeuvre. And I want to praise this particular meal for combining all of its various ingredients into a package that becomes a whole instead of a bunch of bits and pieces. Comic book flicks which feature multiple villains usually end up disjointed and messy but this one finds a way of making those characters elements of one big story instead of them branching off onto a bunch of separate little stories. A rather terrific cinematic experience.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 22, 2022 23:57:41 GMT
It's OK. It's pretty much just another version of Nolan's "what if you tried to do a realistic Batman film" aesthetic, so it's really nothing new or interesting.
I expected more from Pattinson. He looks great. He may have the most perfect jawline of any actor to wear the Batman suit. But it's ultimately such a monotone performance. He's the same as Bruce Wayne as he is as Batman, and while he broods pretty well, I don't find him especially intimidating as Batman. It's not a bad performance exactly, but it feels nothing more than serviceable. I've rated Pattinson in other things (most recently Tenet), but I don't think he's that interesting here.
Still, Pattinson has time to win me over. I wasn't fully sold on Christian Bale till his third film as Batman, but after the third movie, I had to rank him up there with Michael Keaton as the top 2 guy to play Batman.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 15, 2022 17:39:20 GMT
oof what a pain this is to watch. I was trying to watch it a couple days ago and had to give up with about an hour left because it was such a miserable slog and I was so miserable and hungry and tired. And now I'm at a loss what to do next, give another honest try from the beginning or just try to wrap up that last hour. Putting another 3 hours of my life into this cheesy posturing noir pastiche that wants so hard to be a Fincher film, well, I think I'd rather have hungry rats burrowing into my face My first experience with Dune was negative too until I got to appreciate it on a big screen, but I don't think this movie would've been helped by a theater experience at all. It's so long and like Nightmare Alley, a slow-paced joint set largely at night in bad lighting. The Batman is even more disappointing though because even though it doesn't try to be a straight action film, it does have action pieces and chase scenes and they're phenomenally dull and poorly-lit and you have to squint to try to appreciate them. As such, the fights and chases don't even serve as a balm to the movie's edgy posturing, wistful stares, cheesy dialogue, bland characterizations and even blander intimations of Gotham's corruption as if we didn't already know, they only serve to confirm that there really is no hope and this is going to be one of the slowest 3 hours of your life. The experience is doubly undermined by the fact that you can't help comparing this to Nolan's films. As much as I tried to stop myself from doing this, I couldn't stop wishing that I was just watching The Dark Knight instead. As much as I've criticized Nolan, The Dark Knight is always going to be vastly more fresh and exciting than whatever Reeves is trying to do here. I mean Jesus Christ, I'll even take the edgy chaos of Joker over this emo drudgery. yeah, I'm gonna finish this tonight and put a bow on it and move on. It's cinematic constipation. I'm all blocked up because of this long-ass dull as rocks movie. (Fraser's cinematography is really the only highlight but even that is undermined by the unrelenting darkness. There are some lovely shots in isolation but overall I wouldn't say this a pleasant film to look at)
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 16, 2022 4:42:12 GMT
the last hour is infinitely better than the first two. The mystery is so bland and generic and simultaneously murky and totally predictable. I didn't need 2 hours to establish that Gotham is a corrupt place and Falcone runs everything I'm done thinking about this movie, I just wanted to slightly temper the negativity in my last post because I did enjoy the conclusion with the popup army of murder incels and most everything involving Dano's Riddler. Very creepy shit. The interrogation scene was the first time I felt like I was watching something approximating Fincher. Dano felt like something off Mindhunter or Zodiac. Credit where credit's due, that stuff was very good. And I loved the scene where Batman was leading the people to safety through the water. I'm here for these relaxing moments.
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Post by Pasquale on Aug 17, 2022 10:06:39 GMT
Playfully disturbing.
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Post by hugobolso on Nov 13, 2022 20:23:13 GMT
Hated. This is even worse than Batman and Robin. Zoe Kravitz is the only one that delivers a refresh performance. Usually women characters in Batman films are flat and usually the performance are all out of place. Still there are 4 exceptions Kim Bassinger and Jerry Hall in Batman, Michelle Pfeiffer in Batman returns and now Zoe Kravitz.
The script is bad and obvious. All the wasp except Bruce and Alfred are the villians. Pattinson is a terrible Bruce Wayne, and because most Ive seen was doubled I had no clue if at least he vocalizated well.
Dano is particullary terrible, and I love that guy, he is a very gifted actor. But he overacts terrible with that horrible speech. And Colin Farrell, OK he is unteconozible. But his Penguin has very few lines and none interesting. So why not for that terrible script have at least an actor that looks like the pingüin? I mean Andy Serkis could be a better Penguin. Maybe now he only wants to portray good guys. But Serkis could be a lot more than Alfred. Nobody cares about John Torturro character.
Still the worst character is the polititian woman.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 29, 2023 1:18:20 GMT
I think it's no coincidence that the two best live action Batman movies to date (TDK, Batman Returns) are two where Bruce Wayne barely matters at all and this one really foregrounded for me that Batman is more interesting when Bruce doesn't matter (like the Arkham games!); this one just gets so bogged down in trying to force these personal stakes for Bruce and Selina. All the other right elements are in place for just, like, a perfectly sturdy & fun thriller - visuals, music, action, the supporting cast - and this movie functions as one, for the most part. When it wades into the "It's all about your past" swamp, I just clock out. Out of curiosity, have you played Telltale Batman? I've never been all that big on the character either, but Telltale's focus on Bruce's mental state (I'd argue that the game is far more about Bruce Wayne than Batman) made the game so interesting to me. The game is also the most brutal depiction of the character I've seen - it earns that M rating big time - and by focusing on Bruce's personal decisions, it really makes the fear of the people Batman hunts palpable... because you're in this guy's head, and that head is not screwed on straight. I do think that Telltale slipped up in some plot elements of the game (although the villain is great!). The character work with Bruce is amazing, though. So I just saw the movie, and it's, like STRAIGHT UP TELLTALE BATMAN (but not as good in any way). Most obviously, the reveal of Thomas Wayne and Alfred as villains (albeit Telltale doesn't cop out on that revelation, and Reeves totally does), , but the Riddler's motivations and even his occupation are ripped straight from Lady Arkham (who was an original character to that game). Unfortunately, it is too melodramatic and convoluted in its storytelling, turning this into one big soap opera at the end. The action scenes are laughable, too. But the actual detective stuff - even though it does rely on Batman and the GPD being total morons - is pretty cool, and the aesthetic is mostly alright. I think it bites off way more than it can chew, but when this is just a lean serial killer thriller, it's good stuff. And that serial killer stuff is, thankfully, most of the film. Edit: Also, if this gonna go for melodrama, maybe it should actually develop the character relationships? Once again I must compare with Telltale, in which the stuff with Alfred has major impact because SO MUCH of the story has been built around his relationship with Bruce. He's hardly present here, and the movie forgets he exists once his big scene is over. Seeing some of Selina's friendship with Annika would have been nice, as Selina's driving motivation is pretty much totally forgotten halfway through (in favor or a dead mother - are all superhero writers twelve?) . Gordon is a plot device. It's all so by-the-numbers.
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