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Post by JangoB on Feb 22, 2022 23:10:13 GMT
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Post by stephen on Feb 22, 2022 23:14:39 GMT
That's . . . weird. I mean, it's cool that at least it'll still be broadcast as normal, but this is still odd.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 22, 2022 23:20:48 GMT
It's a pretty amazing mix of being elitist snobs (no Gaga, etc) and then catering to the EXACT people that you've ignored in those nominations when being elitist snobs. The hosts, the populist award, and now this........pick a lane   |
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Post by speeders on Feb 22, 2022 23:26:00 GMT
Some of these I kind of get (like the short categories, particularly animated and documentary) but skipping original score is particularly baffling, so is editing and production design.
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 22, 2022 23:39:54 GMT
I recall many, many criticisms of last year's broadcast, but I don't recall one of them being that they featured every category.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 22, 2022 23:58:52 GMT
I recall many, many criticisms of last year's broadcast, but I don't recall one of them being that they featured every category. It really seems that they're trying to cater to the audience who wasn't ever gonna give a shit in the first place while betraying the fans who continue to watch the broadcast every year despite the overall falling ratings. |
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 23, 2022 0:07:34 GMT
Just award the shorts at a separate ceremony, and either cut down the "comedy" segments or, you know, make them funny. Oh, I know! I just watched Keep an Eye Out! by Quentin Dupieux, get HIM to write and direct the comedy skits! That'll at least be memorable, of nothing else.  |
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Post by ibbi on Feb 23, 2022 0:19:29 GMT
Soon they'll be doing it to the whole show like BAFTA. Will it help the ratings? Of course not.
Hopefully anyone not happy with how their speech gets edited will pull a Russell Crowe, and they'll go back to normal post-haste.
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Post by stephen on Feb 23, 2022 0:24:31 GMT
Soon they'll be doing it to the whole show like BAFTA. Will it help the ratings? Of course not. Hopefully anyone not happy with how their speech gets edited will pull a Russell Crowe, and they'll go back to normal post-haste. Olivia Colman choke-slamming Soderbergh is the healing moment we all need. |
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 23, 2022 0:59:24 GMT
I don’t have cable anymore, so I have no need to watch anyway  |
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Post by Brother Fease on Feb 23, 2022 1:08:35 GMT
That's terrible. I am sorry, but it's just a bad move. For example, why is Production Design on the list, but Costume Design is not? Why is Cinematography on the telecast, but film editing is not? Film Editing is one of the most important aspects of the film. I would view film editing to be on par with directing and writing. I can understand the shorts being cut out, but not these technical categories and a major Oscar.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 23, 2022 1:13:34 GMT
That's terrible. I am sorry, but it's just a bad move. For example, why is Production Design on the list, but Costume Design is not? Why is Cinematography on the telecast, but film editing is not? Film Editing is one of the most important aspects of the film. I would view film editing to be on par with directing and writing. I can understand the shorts being cut out, but not these technical categories and a major Oscar.
Well, again, the categories will be in the telecast...but they won't be presented live thus eliminating the suspense (presumably they'll be known on twitter or something if they're presented before the TV ceremony?) and kinda somewhat removing them from the flow of the show itself. For more Amy Schumer skits, I suppose. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Feb 23, 2022 1:18:50 GMT
That's terrible. I am sorry, but it's just a bad move. For example, why is Production Design on the list, but Costume Design is not? Why is Cinematography on the telecast, but film editing is not? Film Editing is one of the most important aspects of the film. I would view film editing to be on par with directing and writing. I can understand the shorts being cut out, but not these technical categories and a major Oscar.
Well, again, the categories will be in the telecast...but they won't be presented live thus eliminating the suspense (presumably they'll be known on twitter or something if they're presented before the TV ceremony?) and kinda somewhat removing them from the flow of the show itself. For more Amy Schumer skits, I suppose. I get that. It just wouldn't be live. I don't like the concept of picking one technical category over another. Why does costume get preference over production design? Why does film editing get put on the back burner.
Don't get me wrong, I do understand their belief: People watch the Oscars to see who wins picture, director, animated feature, original song, and the acting Oscars. They have very little interest in screenplay or editing or the technical awards. Those are more film nerdy material.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 23, 2022 1:33:05 GMT
Well, again, the categories will be in the telecast...but they won't be presented live thus eliminating the suspense (presumably they'll be known on twitter or something if they're presented before the TV ceremony?) and kinda somewhat removing them from the flow of the show itself. For more Amy Schumer skits, I suppose. I get that. It just wouldn't be live. I don't like the concept of picking one technical category over another. Why does costume get preference over production design? Why does film editing get put on the back burner.
Don't get me wrong, I do understand their belief: People watch the Oscars to see who wins picture, director, animated feature, original song, and the acting Oscars. They have very little interest in screenplay or editing or the technical awards. Those are more film nerdy material.
This I absolutely agree with. I have no idea what the thinking behind that is. I understand doing this to the short film categories (they really should be presented at some separate event) but how in the hell did they pick between the others? The Academy's president David Rubin's statement says that all categories are equally important to them...yeah, sure. |
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Post by michael128 on Feb 23, 2022 1:37:38 GMT
That's terrible. I am sorry, but it's just a bad move. For example, why is Production Design on the list, but Costume Design is not? Why is Cinematography on the telecast, but film editing is not? Film Editing is one of the most important aspects of the film. I would view film editing to be on par with directing and writing. I can understand the shorts being cut out, but not these technical categories and a major Oscar.
Well, again, the categories will be in the telecast...but they won't be presented live thus eliminating the suspense (presumably they'll be known on twitter or something if they're presented before the TV ceremony?) and kinda somewhat removing them from the flow of the show itself. For more Amy Schumer skits, I suppose. They should film reactions and speeches from all nominees and then only edit in the actual winner |
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Post by Brother Fease on Feb 23, 2022 2:11:39 GMT
I get that. It just wouldn't be live. I don't like the concept of picking one technical category over another. Why does costume get preference over production design? Why does film editing get put on the back burner.
Don't get me wrong, I do understand their belief: People watch the Oscars to see who wins picture, director, animated feature, original song, and the acting Oscars. They have very little interest in screenplay or editing or the technical awards. Those are more film nerdy material.
This I absolutely agree with. I have no idea what the thinking behind that is. I understand doing this to the short film categories (they really should be presented at some separate event) but how in the hell did they pick between the others? The Academy's president David Rubin's statement says that all categories are equally important to them...yeah, sure. The Academy is desperate to get people to watch their show. Last year was by far their worst Oscar ceremony -- both in viewership and watch ability. I didn't watch it for the record. I was recovering from my 2nd Covid19 shot. What they hear is that the show is too long and too dry. Their fix is basically to show clips of the 1/3rd of the winners and give the comedians more time to present a variety show.
In my view, if you're do what the Grammys or Emmys do, just cut out the technical categories and the shorts, and just go with picture, director, acting, screenplay, writing, animated feature, international feature, and original song. The shorts and the technical can just be presented in a 5 minute montage, or post them on their website.
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Post by SZilla on Feb 23, 2022 2:19:58 GMT
The Oscars just can't seem to ever get it right, huh?
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 23, 2022 2:21:13 GMT
It’s so silly to think the Oscars will appeal ratings wise to a mainstream audience anymore. Better off leaning in to catering the audience that actually cares about watching.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Feb 23, 2022 9:04:34 GMT
Hans Zimmer--arguably the most popular film composer currently and who's actually a household name--is probably winning his second Oscar this year and his category is among the ones getting (at least partially) axed?? Seriously, how dumb can they be?
Honestly hope the ratings reach an all-time low this year just so that there's the slight possibility that people running the show will get it through their thick heads that it's futile trying to appeal to an audience who doesn't give a shit about the Oscars and never will....... but then again, knowing them, they'll probably learn the wrong lesson like they always do.
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 23, 2022 10:16:24 GMT
I'm starting to suspect that ABC is deliberately sabotaging the show.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 23, 2022 14:45:37 GMT
wait I'm confused, they're re-editing them back into the broadcast anyways so it's not like the show is going to be shorter... what's the point of this??
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Post by DeepArcher on Feb 23, 2022 14:50:16 GMT
wait I'm confused, they're re-editing them back into the broadcast anyways so it's not like the show is going to be shorter... what's the point of this?? Well I'm pretty sure the editing is the shortening. I expect the execution will be a rapid "these were the nominees" --> "here's the winner" --> then maybe like a 10-second clip of the winner's speech with like a "watch so-and-so's full speech at oscars.com" or whatever |
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 23, 2022 15:54:23 GMT
Lmao what a joke.
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Post by Barbie on Feb 24, 2022 3:06:25 GMT
I’m honestly offended by the disrespect of it all. Those categories also celebrate ART. Like film editing is integral to the movie. Literally everything that goes into making a movie is important and it’s just rude AF to do this
This isn’t going to make people tune in, and if anything, it might inspire some loyal viewers to boycott. I also think the average person will see how stupid this and rightfully think “Ugh of course they’re putting actors on a pedestal even more”
What will make viewers tune in is having actually funny monologues and segments and not be toyed around with like last year re: Best Actor being announced last
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 24, 2022 14:49:15 GMT
So do ya’ll think they will cave to the backlash again or hold their guns to cater to ABC?
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