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Post by atn on Apr 25, 2017 4:17:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 4:32:03 GMT
Reflections?
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Post by atn on Apr 25, 2017 4:35:56 GMT
re·flec·tion rəˈflekSH(ə)n/ noun noun: reflection 2. serious thought or consideration. "he doesn't get much time for reflection" synonyms: thought, thinking, consideration, contemplation, deliberation, pondering, meditation, musing, rumination; formalcogitation "after some reflection, he turned it down" an idea about something, especially one that is written down or expressed. "reflections on human destiny and art" synonyms: opinion, thought, view, belief, feeling, idea, impression, conclusion, assessment; More comment, observation, remark "write down your reflections"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 4:39:58 GMT
re·flec·tion rəˈflekSH(ə)n/ noun noun: reflection 2. serious thought or consideration. "he doesn't get much time for reflection" synonyms: thought, thinking, consideration, contemplation, deliberation, pondering, meditation, musing, rumination; formalcogitation "after some reflection, he turned it down" an idea about something, especially one that is written down or expressed. "reflections on human destiny and art" synonyms: opinion, thought, view, belief, feeling, idea, impression, conclusion, assessment; More comment, observation, remark "write down your reflections" Needs a rewatch, but dug it. Dig the Nazi Germany WWII films when done well (Downfall, Schindler, this) While we're on the topic, how'd you like Downfall?
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Post by atn on Apr 25, 2017 5:38:12 GMT
re·flec·tion rəˈflekSH(ə)n/ noun noun: reflection While we're on the topic, how'd you like Downfall? Loved it when I watched but that was years ago
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 11:54:53 GMT
Definetly a very well-made film, but I honestly didn't find it that impactful or anything when I watched it. The ending was the only part that really got to me, other than that: meh
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Post by tastytomatoes on Apr 25, 2017 15:19:20 GMT
Didn't enjoy the camera style, square shots where the character's back always linger on the screen makes me disconnected from the story. I can't recall much from the movie now...
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Post by Jim_Jt on Apr 25, 2017 15:26:59 GMT
GOAT stuff! My favourite film from 2015, in my Top 10 of the decade and the best experience I have ever had at cinema. I love it!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 15:34:37 GMT
GOAT stuff! My favourite film from 2015, in my Top 10 of the decade and the best experience I have ever had at cinema. I love it! So is the movie on your avatar.
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Post by Jim_Jt on Apr 25, 2017 15:52:11 GMT
GOAT stuff! My favourite film from 2015, in my Top 10 of the decade and the best experience I have ever had at cinema. I love it! So is the movie on your avatar. Silence is the best movie I've watched at cinema, but not the best experience. The second scene of Son of Saul still haunts me and I'll never forget that weird feeling I had when it ended. Both are in my Top 50 of all time!
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Post by ibbi on Apr 25, 2017 16:04:06 GMT
I liked it a lot, but with reservations. I think the way it's shot is genius, it makes it less about the holocaust specifically, and more about the nightmare odyssey of this one man, thus giving it a universal quality that could apply to anyone anywhere. Being shot like that obviously puts a lot of pressure on the leading man, and Rohrig's performance is up to the task, there's no phoniness, no trace of a lie in anything he does, and his dead eyed, almost dehumanized zombie of a face makes as much of an impact in this movie as anything else.
Still, I think some of the writing lets it down a bit. I remember finding some bits just stretching credibility, which for a film so grounded in reality really takes away from it. I felt the pretty heavily plotted nature of it while keeping the whole thing massively engrossing and watchable also just kind of took away from that sense of horrific reality they seemed to be going for. I also felt that for a film so heavily reliant on its sound there were a couple of times where it sounded downright canned, and not remotely convincing. In a film less reliant on its audio you might not even notice it/it might not matter, but in a film like this it really stood out.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 25, 2017 16:20:44 GMT
It's a tough watch, but I have no complaints about its craft. The film is brilliant.
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Post by moonman157 on Apr 25, 2017 16:21:48 GMT
Bad.
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Post by stephen on Apr 25, 2017 16:23:20 GMT
I think it's very good and has a strong voice for a debut filmmaker, but it does fall somewhat short. And I agree with ibbi that the sound design that so many people vaunted as being all-time great is one of the letdowns. Rohrig anchors it quite well, but I honestly can't see how someone could watch both this and Embrace of the Serpent and not vote for the latter. That was the real foreign language masterpiece of 2015.
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Post by tobias on Apr 25, 2017 18:10:30 GMT
The concept is very interesting. It does the only thing possible to make the holocaust remotely tangible and it's quite consistent about that. But honestly in the end it suffers from the same fate as other holocaust films, you can't make a good film about it because you inadvertedly fictionalize and trivialize it. Schindler's List evades this by being a film on the survivors and Shoah evades it by being about the holocaust but not really a holocaust film in and by itself because no archive material from the actual holocaust is used. Night and Fog is similar, it's all reflection and that's how the event gets the neccessary gravitas, in Son of Saul it partly has that detachment from the event because of the POV camera but it also does actually show a fictional account of the holocaust which ends up being more draining than anything else. I think the film could have won a lot by taking place in a fictional scenario. The film felt very plotted already but at the same time dampened in that regard which honestly made the film somewhat boring. They could have gone more lose in a fictional scenario because as the film is it on one hand tries to tell a story and on the other hand tries to visualize the Holocaust. I really liked the humanist story of Saul searching for his son but the other stuff didn't do that much for me safe for the very dynamic scenes which really had a dense claustrophobic sense (because so much happens around you and you can't see what, complete tunnel vision - when there was little to see it did not feel claustrophobic).
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Post by erickeitel on Apr 25, 2017 18:38:06 GMT
It's how Caterina_Lamour started her posts in Frenglish. She of all trolls should come back.
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Post by jamesh5 on Apr 25, 2017 18:41:41 GMT
Very much of a fan - I think it absolutely achieved what it set out to do, it's very absorbing and truly harrowing. The 3 things it has going for it that really drag it close to greatness are the way it's filmed - really excellent decision to personalise a journey that when made too broad could really diminish any emotional impact. Rohrig - the film relies on his performance in a way that no other film really does in 2015, brilliant understated work, every pained facial expression is totally convincing. Sound Design - I think everyone knows what goes on in the background and the decision to let us experience it aurally as opposed to showing us everything is one that completely works for me, and really adds a layer of horror to it all.
I think that the ending leaves a little bit to be desired and the limits could have been pushed further, but that's only if I'm looking for a few negatives.
I don't think a film such as this would ever be something I considered an all-time favourite simply because I prefer films a bit broader in scope, a wider narrative and an element of rewatchability but I can't really take too many points off it, it's a strong 8/10 for me.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Apr 25, 2017 20:08:24 GMT
Good film, but it's not something I've rewatch since my first viewing. It's a bit too depressing for my tastes.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Apr 25, 2017 22:31:27 GMT
Good film, but it's not something I've rewatch since my first viewing. It's a bit too depressing for my tastes. More depressing this or schindler?. Schindler, but SOS had a lot of depressing imagery and scenes as well. Neither is great for rewatches, lets just say.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 2:35:22 GMT
It's how Caterina_Lamour started her posts in Frenglish. She of all trolls should come back. I'm not a troll tho lol
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Post by alexanderblanchett on May 1, 2017 10:02:24 GMT
A very disturbing film but important. I don't think I will ever be able to see it again but it definitely broadened my horizon.
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