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Post by stephen on Nov 11, 2021 17:25:08 GMT
So there seems to be a notion that a lot of people have had ever since Christoph Waltz won his second Oscar that it was either due to leftover goodwill from his first win (I don't agree with this), or that the role of Dr. King Schultz is similar to Hans Landa to the point that they rewarded him twice for the same part (I definitely don't agree with this). But regardless, a lot of people seem to have cooled substantially on Waltz's second winning performance, even though most were pretty high on it when it happened. Part of this might be disappointment at Waltz's follow-ups (his Blofeld was seen as underwhelming, though honestly I don't really think he should be faulted for that; Big Eyes and Downsizing, maybe not so much), and part of it due to outside influences (Philip Seymour Hoffman dying not long after that ceremony and hence missing out on rewarding him for what was his quintessential outing with PTA, Tommy Lee Jones supporters thinking him more deserving, even DiCaprio/Jackson fans thinking the wrong performance got rewarded from the right movie).
But I had a question: let's say Django had come out in 2009, and then followed up with Inglourious Basterds in 2012. Do we think Waltz even wins in 2009 (a year where he had the Oscar on lock almost from Day 1), and if he does, does his Basterds performance feel so revelatory to people now that Waltz is a known commodity? Does he steamroll 2012 the way he did in '09?
What do you think?
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Post by Pasquale on Nov 11, 2021 18:17:04 GMT
I don't know who wins in '09, but he is taking it in '12.
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Post by hugobolso on Nov 11, 2021 18:21:41 GMT
I think Waltz first win should be in leading and not supporting. Hans Landa is the main lead, the actor that appears more minutes, that is in all the stories, he is the main connex between all them from the beggining to the end.-
So what happened if he won Best Supporting actor in Django, that there will be no doubt that he should compete as best Actor in Leading Role in Inglorious Bastards. So he still have 2 Oscar, one in supporting role and one in leading, and not just 2 in supporting rol.-
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Post by flasuss on Nov 11, 2021 18:22:37 GMT
He wins both. 2009 there wasn't that much competition, and Landa was one of the greatest villains ever. Not only that, in 2012 IB would have a bigger chance of getting BP and BD, and he would benefit from that too.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 11, 2021 18:56:22 GMT
Interesting hypothetical. My biggest question is: does he become the nominee for Django in 2009? That would serve as his breakthrough so he might get good press for that, but does the season steer more in Leo's favor coming off a couple recent nominations for The Aviator and Blood Diamond (plus leading BP winner The Departed) whereas in 2012 Leo was at the tail-end of his biggest gap in nominations as an A-list leading man? Does Django get 2 Supporting Actor nominations in what was otherwise a very weak year for the category? I think if Waltz makes it alone, then he still wins anyway. Django would be the only BP nominee in the category (hell, the only one in the category with more than 2 noms) and Waltz's performance is certainly showy enough to suck up the oxygen. If Leo gets in alongside him, then I think it gets interesting and I wouldn't be surprised either way.
In this hypothetical, I still think Waltz wins 2012 anyway. The performance is an all-timer and the highlight of the film. The only true alternative to me that year would be Tommy Lee Jones in Lincoln whose performance, while great, was overshadowed in the film by DDL.
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Post by flasuss on Nov 12, 2021 14:24:03 GMT
Interesting hypothetical. My biggest question is: does he become the nominee for Django in 2009? That would serve as his breakthrough so he might get good press for that, but does the season steer more in Leo's favor coming off a couple recent nominations for The Aviator and Blood Diamond (plus leading BP winner The Departed) whereas in 2012 Leo was at the tail-end of his biggest gap in nominations as an A-list leading man? Does Django get 2 Supporting Actor nominations in what was otherwise a very weak year for the category? I think if Waltz makes it alone, then he still wins anyway. Django would be the only BP nominee in the category (hell, the only one in the category with more than 2 noms) and Waltz's performance is certainly showy enough to suck up the oxygen. If Leo gets in alongside him, then I think it gets interesting and I wouldn't be surprised either way. In this hypothetical, I still think Waltz wins 2012 anyway. The performance is an all-timer and the highlight of the film. The only true alternative to me that year would be Tommy Lee Jones in Lincoln whose performance, while great, was overshadowed in the film by DDL. Di Caprio only had a chance of winning for Django before the movie was actually released. After it was, both Waltz and SLJ completely overshadowed him, so he would only be 3rd choice. No way he wins in 2009, specially because the "overdue" narrative wasn't that strong yet. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 12, 2021 14:38:50 GMT
Interesting hypothetical. My biggest question is: does he become the nominee for Django in 2009? That would serve as his breakthrough so he might get good press for that, but does the season steer more in Leo's favor coming off a couple recent nominations for The Aviator and Blood Diamond (plus leading BP winner The Departed) whereas in 2012 Leo was at the tail-end of his biggest gap in nominations as an A-list leading man? Does Django get 2 Supporting Actor nominations in what was otherwise a very weak year for the category? I think if Waltz makes it alone, then he still wins anyway. Django would be the only BP nominee in the category (hell, the only one in the category with more than 2 noms) and Waltz's performance is certainly showy enough to suck up the oxygen. If Leo gets in alongside him, then I think it gets interesting and I wouldn't be surprised either way. In this hypothetical, I still think Waltz wins 2012 anyway. The performance is an all-timer and the highlight of the film. The only true alternative to me that year would be Tommy Lee Jones in Lincoln whose performance, while great, was overshadowed in the film by DDL. Di Caprio only had a chance of winning for Django before the movie was actually released. After it was, both Waltz and SLJ completely overshadowed him, so he would only be 3rd choice. No way he wins in 2009, specially because the "overdue" narrative wasn't that strong yet. SLJ definitely didn't overshadow him. DiCaprio had several critical awards mentions (including an NBR win) and was nominated for the Globe. |
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Post by stephen on Nov 12, 2021 15:48:44 GMT
Di Caprio only had a chance of winning for Django before the movie was actually released. After it was, both Waltz and SLJ completely overshadowed him, so he would only be 3rd choice. No way he wins in 2009, specially because the "overdue" narrative wasn't that strong yet. SLJ definitely didn't overshadow him. DiCaprio had several critical awards mentions (including an NBR win) and was nominated for the Globe. Yeah, as much as I prefer Jackson's performance to DiCaprio, DiCaprio had all the buzz, particularly early on. Lest we forget Weinstein's "Leave Leo to me" brag at Cannes. Waltz had the benefit of the largest, flashiest role of the piece, which is why he gained traction, but I also feel like people just generally take Jackson for granted because of his ubiquity. |
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Post by flasuss on Nov 12, 2021 16:05:17 GMT
SLJ definitely didn't overshadow him. DiCaprio had several critical awards mentions (including an NBR win) and was nominated for the Globe. Yeah, as much as I prefer Jackson's performance to DiCaprio, DiCaprio had all the buzz, particularly early on. Lest we forget Weinstein's "Leave Leo to me" brag at Cannes. Waltz had the benefit of the largest, flashiest role of the piece, which is why he gained traction, but I also feel like people just generally take Jackson for granted because of his ubiquity. Di Caprio had the buzz until people actually saw the film. Then, he didn't. |
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