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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 25, 2021 17:13:52 GMT
I've discussed this before - how DiCaprio if he is nodded in 2021 breaks the record for males for consecutive released performances nominated - Don't Look Up would be his 4th straight released film nodded without interruption ( Brando, William Hurt, Pacino and DiCap share this at 3 atm - not counting shorts or docs obviously). Then he's (on paper) looking at getting to 5 (!) next year with Killers of the Flower Moon. That would get him to 8 career acting nominations at 48 - faster than Jack Nicholson's record of 12 pace (Jack was 49 when he got his 8th, though he got his 9th at 50 the next year). So, what do you think - he gets 4 in a row this year, or he gets to 5 in a row, or even more (!) or he misses this year and has to live with being tied with 3 in a row? Poll will be up for a week - you have to guess people - anybody can logically predict after we see reviews for Don't Look Up - but where's the fun in that? This board does that sh it all the time - I get it .......... you look at reviews and precursors - then get 75% right and break your arm patting yourself on the back. Fnck that ........live dangerously for once.........
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Post by speeders on Oct 25, 2021 17:16:06 GMT
It's obviously too early to tell, but at this exact time, I think it's likelier he'll get 5 in a row (or at least 4...) than not. Everything looks right for him on paper.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 25, 2021 18:22:35 GMT
It's obviously too early to tell, but at this exact time, I think it's likelier he'll get 5 at a time (or at least 4...) than not. Everything looks right for him on paper. What's really interesting is if he wins for Flower Moon (not to get too far ahead of ourselves - yeah too late ) and then how long he might take off before committing to his next project........it's very rare for an actor to almost double any existing Oscar record like that.......... if he pulls it off........
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Post by wallsofjericho on Oct 25, 2021 18:30:12 GMT
I'm thinking he gets nodded this year and next year.
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Post by JangoB on Oct 25, 2021 18:30:53 GMT
I think he's definitely getting nominated for Flower Moon and he obviously has a strong shot this year. I do think it's possible that he'll miss for DLU but I ain't predicting it for now. So yeah, two consecutive nods for him.
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Post by stephen on Oct 25, 2021 18:42:18 GMT
DiCaprio's at the point in his career where he'll probably get nominated for anything remotely baity so long as he maintains distance between projects. If he can maintain the DDL-esque "event" nature of his output, I think he stands a shot of racking up nomination after nomination just as long as the project itself is within the Academy wheelhouse.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 25, 2021 20:34:08 GMT
You want a guess? Well, I'll take a swing and say Don't Look Up has a muted-positive reception and does not make much of an awards splash - leading us on this board to question whether McKay is an Oscar contender outside of biopics.
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 25, 2021 20:49:20 GMT
Both DLU and Flower Moon. Everybody loves him and, believe it or not, McKay too whose botchy Vice got eight noms!
I don't think Lead Actor is locked up yet this year and Leo has proved sudden, great comedic chops lately and here'll be the furthering, funny sum of it. I think he'll grab a wider net of votes than Denzel etc and make the five for sure.
Flower Moon should approach masterpiece and he's got the best, complex role - Oscar win potential. What might he do next to get that record to SIX?
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 25, 2021 21:58:16 GMT
I think he’ll get nodded for both Don’t Look Up and Killers of the Flower Moon.
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 25, 2021 22:22:11 GMT
Yeah, he'll get nominated for both. Doubt him at your own peril.
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Post by futuretrunks on Oct 25, 2021 22:25:31 GMT
I think he'll get nodded for Flower Moon. Unsure still about DLU. The recent tea from AW is promising, but I can't tell if it's hyperbolic.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 26, 2021 0:52:38 GMT
will voters want to favor a beloved post-Joker Phoenix for a writerly b&w emotional family drama and beloved Emmy dominator Peter Dinklage post-GoT with his first big break onto the big screen over yet another DiCaprio nod? Yes. Or the corollary: Cooper and/or Collins Jr. get in. Either way, DiCaprio's out.
There's going to be so much good will for Dinklage particularly. More than enough to propel him into the top 5 unless the gets panned on wide release, which is unlikely.
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Post by stephen on Oct 26, 2021 1:29:17 GMT
will voters want to favor a beloved post-Joker Phoenix for a writerly b&w emotional family drama and beloved Emmy dominator Peter Dinklage post-GoT with his first big break onto the big screen over yet another DiCaprio nod? Yes. Or the corollary: Cooper and/or Collins Jr. get in. Either way, DiCaprio's out. There's going to be so much good will for Dinklage particularly. More than enough to propel him into the top 5 unless the gets panned on wide release, which is unlikely. Is Phoenix that beloved, though? As much as I love him and consider him the superior actor of his generation, he's still an incredibly eclectic, offbeat, shy individual who doesn't like schmoozing or campaigning. Joker was their out to recognize him for his talent and body of work, but I could easily see him never getting another nomination after this regardless of what he puts out because they gave him his due already. C'mon C'mon would have to be massively well-received for him to get in, even with the Joker afterglow. Dinklage is well-respected and is coming off an iconic run on television, but will that transition to film work, particularly as the cultural heat from Game of Thrones died extremely quickly. Dinklage could pull a Cranston, but I don't know if I see that much good will for him at this stage. DiCaprio is the most beloved movie star on the planet and everything he does generates Oscar buzz by virtue of his attachment. Everything he's made in the last ten years with the exception of J. Edgar has gotten recognized by the Academy in some form or fashion, and he's attaching himself to Oscar darlings. For him to miss, there'd have to be a combination of factors: a strong year with passion-driving contenders, as well as for Don't Look Up to underwhelm across the board or get bad notices individually for himself. And even then, guy was in the conversation for J. Edgar and got too damn close to a nomination for that piece of shit. He's revered.
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 26, 2021 1:50:23 GMT
will voters want to favor a beloved post-Joker Phoenix for a writerly b&w emotional family drama and beloved Emmy dominator Peter Dinklage post-GoT with his first big break onto the big screen over yet another DiCaprio nod? Yes. Or the corollary: Cooper and/or Collins Jr. get in. Either way, DiCaprio's out. There's going to be so much good will for Dinklage particularly. More than enough to propel him into the top 5 unless the gets panned on wide release, which is unlikely. And I get crapped on for being super confident in my predictions At least my predictions are reasonable...
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 26, 2021 1:51:02 GMT
Collins Jr. is one of the biggest cases of trying it I've seen in a long time.
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Post by franklin on Oct 26, 2021 2:48:37 GMT
He'll very likely be nominated for both Don't Look Up and Killers of The Flower Moon.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 26, 2021 4:43:21 GMT
And I get crapped on for being super confident in my predictions At least my predictions are reasonable... Aren't you predicting Halle Berry?
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 26, 2021 6:40:03 GMT
And I get crapped on for being super confident in my predictions At least my predictions are reasonable... Aren't you predicting Halle Berry? As a tentative #5 until we hear about Blanchett's category placement, yes. She's a past winner in a transformative performance, and will be the main black contender, which whether it should be or not, is a factor. Still a much better prediction than ruling out DiCaprio (previous winner, 2 nomination streak) in a McKay film (winning writer, 4 acting noms for his last 2 films), in favour of actors who would quite possibly be lone noms (Phoenix/Dinklage), or Clifton fucking Collins Jr. Don't even get me started on Corey Hawkins over Kodi Smit-McPhee, or the In the Heights bullshit. I welcome awards discussion/debate, and I genuinely like you, but it's kind of hard to take it seriously when it is coming from someone with your current predictions/track record.
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Post by flasuss on Oct 26, 2021 11:04:55 GMT
He might miss for either or both (even with Scorsese he doesn't have 100% track record of being nominated), but I wouldn't bet against him at this point.
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 26, 2021 11:16:58 GMT
Aren't you predicting Halle Berry? As a tentative #5 until we hear about Blanchett's category placement, yes. She's a past winner in a transformative performance, and will be the main black contender, which whether it should be or not, is a factor. Still a much better prediction than ruling out DiCaprio (previous winner, 2 nomination streak) in a McKay film (winning writer, 4 acting noms for his last 2 films), in favour of actors who would quite possibly be lone noms (Phoenix/Dinklage), or Clifton fucking Collins Jr. Don't even get me started on Corey Hawkins over Kodi Smit-McPhee, or the In the Heights bullshit. I welcome awards discussion/debate, and I genuinely like you, but it's kind of hard to take it seriously when it is coming from someone with your current predictions/track record. Just got back home and wow, I kinda sound like an asshole here. I still agree with all the points I made, just could have worded them a bit less harshly. Sorry Tommen.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 26, 2021 16:47:05 GMT
Is Phoenix that beloved, though? As much as I love him and consider him the superior actor of his generation, he's still an incredibly eclectic, offbeat, shy individual who doesn't like schmoozing or campaigning. Joker was their out to recognize him for his talent and body of work, but I could easily see him never getting another nomination after this regardless of what he puts out because they gave him his due already. C'mon C'mon would have to be massively well-received for him to get in, even with the Joker afterglow. Dinklage is well-respected and is coming off an iconic run on television, but will that transition to film work, particularly as the cultural heat from Game of Thrones died extremely quickly. Dinklage could pull a Cranston, but I don't know if I see that much good will for him at this stage. DiCaprio is the most beloved movie star on the planet and everything he does generates Oscar buzz by virtue of his attachment. Everything he's made in the last ten years with the exception of J. Edgar has gotten recognized by the Academy in some form or fashion, and he's attaching himself to Oscar darlings. For him to miss, there'd have to be a combination of factors: a strong year with passion-driving contenders, as well as for Don't Look Up to underwhelm across the board or get bad notices individually for himself. And even then, guy was in the conversation for J. Edgar and got too damn close to a nomination for that piece of shit. He's revered. 1. Yes Phoenix is a respected industry veteran with 4 noms over the last two decades and the fact that he's shy and not a campaigner kind of adds to his charm. He's always only been about "The Work" and that what makes him so respected. Being highly charismatic or an active campaigner can be beneficial but what's proven every other year is that the inverse isn't necessarily true if the work is impressive enough. Campaigning is not a prerequisite. And I don't think I agree that Joker was just a body of work prize or even mostly that. I think it had more to do with the fact that voters really took to that movie and that the vast majority of viewers across the board loved Phoenix in it. It's the kind of loud, showy larger than life work that's uniformly liked and typically awarded (of a character that already earned a win for Ledger) and he had smooth sailing pretty much through the whole cycle apart from the critics' awards which have been proving to mean less and less. There were lots of factors working in his favor, not just the body of work narrative. ALSO... Joker put him back on the map in a big way. His last serious Oscar prospects were in 2013 for Her and to a [much] lesser extent 2014 with Inherent Vice. He's going to be top of mind for voters fresh off his win. I'm less confident about him than anyone else in my BA predix but I think a solid case can be made for his chances. 2. Dinklage's opportunities are always going to be hamstrung by his physical appearance. Dwarfism was implicitly woven into all his acclaimed roles and his perfs have been to an extent reckonings with that fact, and people love him for that in addition to him being incredibly charismatic and an emotionally vulnerable performer. He won't have *that* many opportunities to be nominated so there's an urgency to his narrative that doesn't apply to other contenders. And with him being one of the most popular castmembers on GoT and all the good will general viewers have for him as a performer with unique challenges, and with early Cyrano feedback singling out Dinklage for praise, I think he's getting in. All of that may change in the next couple months when the race starts to look a lot clearer (who knows if Bardem makes a splash) but for the moment I'm confident in predicting him. 3. And you guys I know DiCaprio is an awards juggernaut and predicting against him is partly coming from my own bias buuuut that streak has to end sometime. Predicting him to get nominated every single time he's in a thing is a lazy fallback the way predicting against Parasite was a lazy fallback because non-English language films don't win BP ( ). Streaks end. And I think the pieces are in place for DiCaprio's to end this year. In any case, I think his chances at a nom are going to be much stronger for a prestige Scorsese crime drama than for Don't Look Up.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 26, 2021 17:08:59 GMT
also as a clarification, when I say campaigning is not a prerequisite I mean individual campaigning. Obviously movies need awards pushes from their distributors to ensure the work is out there and being seen.
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Post by stephen on Oct 26, 2021 17:24:39 GMT
3. And you guys I know DiCaprio is an awards juggernaut and predicting against him is partly coming from my own bias buuuut that streak has to end sometime. Predicting him to get nominated every single time he's in a thing is a lazy fallback the way predicting against Parasite was a lazy fallback because non-English language films don't win BP ( ). Streaks end. And I think the pieces are in place for DiCaprio's to end this year. In any case, I think his chances at a nom are going to be much stronger for a prestige Scorsese crime drama than for Don't Look Up. I will agree that if the streak is to end, it'll be with an Adam McKay satire as opposed to a Scorsese period epic, but Don't Look Up feels almost too big to fail. The early notices are rapturous, it has so many awards darlings in it, and Netflix has (seemingly) bottomless pockets. It may not net any wins but I would be utterly gobsmacked if it underperformed with nominations, if only for the fact that so many people involved feel like lazy namecheck options (see also: Streep, Meryl).
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 19, 2021 9:06:25 GMT
Just bumping this - the poll is closed - but "the streak ends this year - not nodded for DLU" won this poll so.....and hey I'm no better - I called him overrated up until the 2010s......but his 2010 + streak is just amazing unless he's snubbed which doesn't seem likely now (?) - "Peter Finch scene".........wtf .............especially if you're an awards geek in any way............and I'm not just talking his acting Oscar nods either - its every single individual film acting award metric, every filmography metric, every stardom metric ......that's 9 BP's now if nodded (I think?) .....in less than 25 years........7 acting nods at 48.......unless DLU is snubbed
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 19, 2021 10:12:06 GMT
will voters want to favor a beloved post-Joker Phoenix for a writerly b&w emotional family drama and beloved Emmy dominator Peter Dinklage post-GoT with his first big break onto the big screen over yet another DiCaprio nod? Yes. Or the corollary: Cooper and/or Collins Jr. get in. Either way, DiCaprio's out. There's going to be so much good will for Dinklage particularly. More than enough to propel him into the top 5 unless the gets panned on wide release, which is unlikely. I would have completely forgotten about this if the thread didn't get bumped, but...
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