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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 27, 2021 16:32:20 GMT
just throwing this out there. Would be willing to head this up again if we can get enough ppl interested. Really missed this last year. Kind of jumping the gun because it's only August but I'd rather post this now than try to anxiously throw something together last-minute in late-October or November. For those that are tentatively interested, feel free to post here and when it gets time to get things organized, we can do that. Mainly just testing the waters here. btw, to minimize stress and workload, I'd want to standardize the eligible awards groups so we're not counting the Bumfuck Idaho Critics Circle Awards. Just less work and less uncertainty for the captains and more fun for everyone. I'd go over past threads to see what was counted and just work from there to create a manageable list. And because the teams would be counting the same awards, we could score individuals against each other at the end of the season to find the highest overall scoring roster. That'd be fun!  |
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 27, 2021 23:16:55 GMT
I'm always down. I like bumfuck Idaho though  |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 7, 2021 16:33:18 GMT
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Post by quetee on Sept 7, 2021 19:40:38 GMT
just throwing this out there. Would be willing to head this up again if we can get enough ppl interested. Really missed this last year. Kind of jumping the gun because it's only August but I'd rather post this now than try to anxiously throw something together last-minute in late-October or November. For those that are tentatively interested, feel free to post here and when it gets time to get things organized, we can do that. Mainly just testing the waters here. btw, to minimize stress and workload, I'd want to standardize the eligible awards groups so we're not counting the Bumfuck Idaho Critics Circle Awards. Just less work and less uncertainty for the captains and more fun for everyone. I'd go over past threads to see what was counted and just work from there to create a manageable list. And because the teams would be counting the same awards, we could score individuals against each other at the end of the season to find the highest overall scoring roster. That'd be fun! I wonder, is there anyway to automate this whole thing? Like using a database or something? I do agree with you though, we need a fix list of the ones that are to be included in the point tally. After a while, it becomes pointless to count everything. |
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Post by michael128 on Sept 7, 2021 19:44:06 GMT
I think a good criteria to determine which award bodies to include could be only ones who have previously recognized beyonce and/or meryl streep? ie. prestigious awards ONLY
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 7, 2021 15:18:00 GMT
Honestly we keep refusing to change anything about it and that’s why it still doesn’t really work. I think we need to change two things
1. Include WAY fewer awards groups to help with the monotony
2. Limit the amounts of points awarded to films. The top three movies always earn so many points that the actors and actresses are irrelevant
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Post by stephen on Oct 7, 2021 15:24:11 GMT
Yeah, and to be honest, I feel like we should probably start before Cannes. We already know more or less who the major contenders are by the fall, and if you're not lucky enough to get one of the top four/five picks, you've no shot. At least if you had people make picks based off of the general longlist of speculated films/performances months in advance, you might see some interesting fluctuation leading up to the fests.
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Post by quetee on Oct 7, 2021 15:26:46 GMT
Yeah, and to be honest, I feel like we should probably start before Cannes. We already know more or less who the major contenders are by the fall, and if you're not lucky enough to get one of the top four/five picks, you've no shot. At least if you had people make picks based off of the general longlist of speculated films/performances months in advance, you might see some interesting fluctuation leading up to the fests. That would make things more interesting. |
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Post by quetee on Oct 7, 2021 15:28:31 GMT
Honestly we keep refusing to change anything about it and that’s why it still doesn’t really work. I think we need to change two things 1. Include WAY fewer awards groups to help with the monotony 2. Limit the amounts of points awarded to films. The top three movies always earn so many points that the actors and actresses are irrelevant I agree, there are way too many award groups and people need to stick to the predetermined list. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 7, 2021 19:01:40 GMT
Honestly we keep refusing to change anything about it and that’s why it still doesn’t really work. I think we need to change two things 1. Include WAY fewer awards groups to help with the monotony 2. Limit the amounts of points awarded to films. The top three movies always earn so many points that the actors and actresses are irrelevant I agree, there are way too many award groups and people need to stick to the predetermined list. I think the scoring for BP is an even bigger problem. The people who pick 5-10 basically have no chance and the winners are almost always the person who picked one and two and he’s usually the person running the league who get all the good spots. Perhaps if we limited the scoring there to just Picture, director and writing nods. That also helps us eliminate tech guilds. They have so many categories that they are pointless anyways. Or make tech nods with less. It’s kind of silly that costumes are worth as many points as picture directing or writing |
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Post by quetee on Oct 7, 2021 20:02:54 GMT
I agree, there are way too many award groups and people need to stick to the predetermined list. I think the scoring for BP is an even bigger problem. The people who pick 5-10 basically have no chance and the winners are almost always the person who picked one and two and he’s usually the person running the league who get all the good spots. Perhaps if we limited the scoring there to just Picture, director and writing nods. That also helps us eliminate tech guilds. They have so many categories that they are pointless anyways. Or make tech nods with less. It’s kind of silly that costumes are worth as many points as picture directing or writing Maybe we just do the top 8 categories and that's it. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 7, 2021 20:36:26 GMT
I think the scoring for BP is an even bigger problem. The people who pick 5-10 basically have no chance and the winners are almost always the person who picked one and two and he’s usually the person running the league who get all the good spots. Perhaps if we limited the scoring there to just Picture, director and writing nods. That also helps us eliminate tech guilds. They have so many categories that they are pointless anyways. Or make tech nods with less. It’s kind of silly that costumes are worth as many points as picture directing or writing Maybe we just do the top 8 categories and that's it. I like that. I kind of think actors don’t need to go towards the movie since we are drafting actors too |
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Nov 20, 2021 14:21:01 GMT
So.. Are we doing it ?
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Post by Pavan on Nov 21, 2021 4:46:19 GMT
I'm interested.
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 19, 2022 16:45:17 GMT
Does anyone else wanna do 2022?  |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 19, 2022 17:26:14 GMT
Does anyone else wanna do 2022? I'm always game but I'm still where I was at last year. The most annoying thing about 2019 was just having too many critics groups but the simple solution to that is determining beforehand which groups will be counted (something I don't mind doing). Other than that, obviously setting aside a time for draft and creating one's roster are the biggest time commitments but get those under your belt and it's just the captains doing all the tallying. it seemed from the responses to this thread though that people have criticisms about the existing process that go way beyond the time commitment and tallying too many critics groups. I don't know where that leaves us tbh, especially with the board overall being less active than it was a couple years ago. *shrug* but if 12-14 people are interested in doing it, I can be one of the captains. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 19, 2022 18:44:13 GMT
I have an idea that could make the scoring more even. First of all like people said we have to limit the number of critics awards. Personally I would limit them to the big 3 + NBR but no more than 3 others.
Something would have to be done about scoring for best picture. If they get points for every nomination it makes it so only the people who pick first or second on the best picture (often the captains) wins the league easily. To compare to normal fantasy sports this would be like if the quarterback got points for all the points the offense got in fantasy football. I would have the teams as such...
1 Picture (only gets points for best picture and ensemble awards)
1 Director (Who ever picks first for Picture picks last here)
2 screenplays. One adapted one original (these are done snake style so the person who picks the first original gets the last pick in adapted)
2 Actresses. One supporting one lead ( also snake style)
2 Actors (Ditto)
This is as fair of a system that I can imagine.
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 19, 2022 21:27:20 GMT
My suggestion is that we just do one ten-round draft (snake style, obviously) where you can draft whoever and whatever you want, whenever you want, as opposed to 3 separate drafts. It feels a bit more fair that way, and not to mention, interesting! I'm not sure why it wasn't done that way to begin with. It'll just be up to every person to make sure they have 4 films, 3 actors, 3 actresses (assuming we still want to do it that way), and the captain will keep track too, of course.
I don't think it makes much sense to include other categories tbh. Unless each person drafted, like, 1 director, let's say. But there's not going to be a whole lot who are actually worth having on your team.
I would also maybe suggesting adding a feature of bench positions, like in actual fantasy sports. We don't have to go crazy with it, but let's say each person could draft one extra film and one extra actor (any gender) to swap out with one of their "starters" at any point in the season. Just a thought!
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 19, 2022 22:41:53 GMT
I don't know, I don't agree with the idea that point totals are entirely about getting luck of the first draw. Just looking over some of my tallies for the 2019 season, lots of 3rd and 4th round picks were nabbing points for people. You really don't have a good picture of the race until December and even that's pretty early. Last November people were trying to figure out how many noms Spencer would get and it wasn't clear until well into the season that it was very possibly getting nothing, and this time three years ago even with the Golden Lion win, I don't think most of us were predicting Joker to get 11 Oscars nominations, and no one knew until like Feb last year that Coda was the BP frontrunner. I mean jesus, if we held a draft last fall I don't know if anyone would've even picked up Coda at all. but even if that was a big issue, an easy solution would just be to have smaller teams so "last pick" would be 4th or 5th instead 7th or 8th. Of course having smaller teams would be good for a number of reasons, not the least being the captain's sanity. @ DeepArcherif I remember correctly in 2019 we did have a single 10-round draft but I'm not sure what you mean by drafting whoever and whatever you want. Do you mean that instead of people taking turns they would just list the 4 films, actors and actresses that they want? So multiple people could have overlapping films and actors? |
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 19, 2022 22:47:57 GMT
@ DeepArcher if I remember correctly in 2019 we did have a single 10-round draft but I'm not sure what you mean by drafting whoever and whatever you want. Do you mean that instead of people taking turns they would just list the 4 films, actors and actresses that they want? So multiple people could have overlapping films and actors? No, no, not at all. I just meant doing away with categories; you don't have to draft films first then actresses or whatever. Just go in whatever order you wish, as long as you end up with the correct number at the end. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 19, 2022 23:08:56 GMT
I don't know, I don't agree with the idea that point totals are entirely about getting luck of the first draw. Just looking over some of my tallies for the 2019 season, lots of 3rd and 4th round picks were nabbing points for people. You really don't have a good picture of the race until December and even that's pretty early. Last November people were trying to figure out how many noms Spencer would get and it wasn't clear until well into the season that it was very possibly getting nothing, and this time three years ago even with the Golden Lion win, I don't think most of us were predicting Joker to get 11 Oscars nominations, and no one knew until like Feb last year that Coda was the BP frontrunner. I mean jesus, if we held a draft last fall I don't know if anyone would've even picked up Coda at all. but even if that was a big issue, an easy solution would just be to have smaller teams so "last pick" would be 4th or 5th instead 7th or 8th. Of course having smaller teams would be good for a number of reasons, not the least being the captain's sanity. @ DeepArcherif I remember correctly in 2019 we did have a single 10-round draft but I'm not sure what you mean by drafting whoever and whatever you want. Do you mean that instead of people taking turns they would just list the 4 films, actors and actresses that they want? So multiple people could have overlapping films and actors? Regardless of where the eventual BP winner is picked the BP picks are way too valuable. Makes the other picks pretty much irrelevant. All categories should be roughly even. I don’t get why people are so resistant to change on a system that is so broken there isn’t even a league anymore. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 19, 2022 23:11:25 GMT
My suggestion is that we just do one ten-round draft (snake style, obviously) where you can draft whoever and whatever you want, whenever you want, as opposed to 3 separate drafts. It feels a bit more fair that way, and not to mention, interesting! I'm not sure why it wasn't done that way to begin with. It'll just be up to every person to make sure they have 4 films, 3 actors, 3 actresses (assuming we still want to do it that way), and the captain will keep track too, of course. I don't think it makes much sense to include other categories tbh. Unless each person drafted, like, 1 director, let's say. But there's not going to be a whole lot who are actually worth having on your team. I would also maybe suggesting adding a feature of bench positions, like in actual fantasy sports. We don't have to go crazy with it, but let's say each person could draft one extra film and one extra actor (any gender) to swap out with one of their "starters" at any point in the season. Just a thought! I don’t really care how the draft is done as long as we depower the BP picks. (Best way of doing this would be to add screenplays and directors) . If the scoring isn’t changed to make the categories roughly even I’m not really interested in playing. |
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Post by coop032 on Nov 10, 2022 2:03:34 GMT
Looks like this may have already died off, but it would be fun to do it again some time if possible. I actually don't think there was ever an issue with the way it was always done in the past and keep all those critics groups as well. I know there are some years where obviously one film, actor, actress will run away with everything, but I remember several years thinking I had no chance but the right picks would allow you to compete against the people who pick first if you strategize well enough and go for wins and noms in other areas like techs, Annies, and the indie film critics groups will show enough love. Pretty sure I won in 2015 or so and picked 9th, so you never know. I think it's just fun win or lose and if no one minds tallying I say why change it. This year seems to be up in the air for frontrunners so far....
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Post by coop032 on Nov 10, 2022 2:11:21 GMT
You know another alternative I just thought of is why do we have to pick different films and actors than each other. We could all choose our lineups today for example and you get no changes going forward. Let's say everyone chose five films, actors, and actresses (or ten would be even more fun). I seriously doubt any two people would have the exact same lists in that case. And for the sake of it we could all have some kind of preselected tiebreaker or figure some way of how they are ranked in our lists to determine more or less points possibly.
Then we wouldn't even need to break off in teams and we could all compete against one another. It probably wouldn't be too hard to tally everything if you just build an excel sheet and the right formulas.
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Post by quetee on Nov 10, 2022 15:45:39 GMT
You know another alternative I just thought of is why do we have to pick different films and actors than each other. We could all choose our lineups today for example and you get no changes going forward. Let's say everyone chose five films, actors, and actresses (or ten would be even more fun). I seriously doubt any two people would have the exact same lists in that case. And for the sake of it we could all have some kind of preselected tiebreaker or figure some way of how they are ranked in our lists to determine more or less points possibly. Then we wouldn't even need to break off in teams and we could all compete against one another. It probably wouldn't be too hard to tally everything if you just build an excel sheet and the right formulas. I think at this late in the game, we should go with this idea. I think I came up with something and will post in another thread as a suggestion. I think regular play should happen either pre cannes/ post cannes but definitely before Toronto annoucements. |
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