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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 8, 2021 22:18:53 GMT
Below is the trailer for King Richard.
The film stars Will Smith (2-time Oscar nominee), Jon Bernthal (The Wolf of Wall Street and Ford v. Ferrari), Tony Goldwyn (Ghost and Nixon), and Dylan McDermott (TV shows The Practice and Hollywood), and directed by independent filmmaker Reinaldo Marcus Green, who wrote and directed Monsters and Men.
Statistically speaking, Best Actor winners are attached to Best Picture nominees. Jeff Bridges (2010), Forrest Whittaker (2007), Denzel Washington (2002), Nicolas Cage (1996), and Tom Hanks (1994) are the recent exceptions. Cage and Hanks were attached to films nominated for Best Director, Best Screenplay, or both. Now that the Academy is going to have 10 Best Picture nominees, it is going to be even more unlikely a Best Actor winner is not going to be attached to a Best Picture nominee. Bridges' win is the only anomaly under the best picture preferential ballot system.
So far there's been a lot of positive reaction from the trailer and his performance. Putting aside the technical categories, what do you think of the potential for:
Best Picture - Tim White, Trevor White, and Will Smith Best Director - Green Best Original Screenplay - rookie screenwriter Zach Baylin Best Actor - Will Smith Best Supporting Actress - Aunjanue Ellis
Best Supporting Actor - Bernthal, Goldwyn and/or McDermott
Best Film Editing - Pamela Martin (Oscar-nominated for The Fighter, ACE nominee for Little Miss Sunshine)
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Post by stephen on Aug 8, 2021 22:25:36 GMT
I think Will Smith is solidly in the hunt, but I'm not yet convinced on it being a win-caliber role and performance yet. There's a lot of really promising Best Actor contender roles out there.
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Post by mattfincher on Aug 8, 2021 22:33:14 GMT
I think Smith wins if the film manages to get in for Best Picture. But I have it on the outside for now.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 8, 2021 22:40:19 GMT
Significant threat to win for Smith if it can get a BP nod which is questionable:
Real life role, transformative (somewhat, more or less anyway), heroic (as presented here), emotionally clear in intent, a commercial picture which should be a hit - crucially, he's not weirdo niche like most other contenders (people playing niche or villains) though I think someone playing a villain is likely to win (Cumberbatch)...........and an extroverted performance - he's noticeably "acting" in the trailer........which doesn't hurt.
He checks off a lot of boxes......
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Post by countjohn on Aug 8, 2021 23:04:48 GMT
There's so much enthusiasm for Smith right now with his recent comeback it really feels like the time is right and the momentum is there. A lot of the other BA contenders are a lot more niche or out of left field, this just feels like the perfect option based on what the Academy usually goes for.
It's not a threat to win BP but I could definitely see it slipping in without a director nod as like the 8th-10th nomination. This looks like the kind of thing the public is really going to eat up. People think of him as an action guy but his appeal is more about the character, Hitch and Pursuit of Happyness did 300+ mil. Things like Seven Pounds and Collateral Beauty flopped because no one wants to see him mopey and depressed. The "don't let anybody tell you you can't do something" pep talks remind me a lot of Pursuit of Happyness and that attitude is why the GP loves Will Smith.
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 8, 2021 23:09:26 GMT
Yeah, pretty much what the others are saying. Smith should definitely get nominated, but I think a win is dependent on whether it gets into BP, which right now I'm on the fence about. No way it gets into Director.
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 8, 2021 23:11:01 GMT
Also, it's more likely to get into Supporting Actress than Supporting Actor.
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 9, 2021 1:34:12 GMT
Yeah, pretty much what the others are saying. Smith should definitely get nominated, but I think a win is dependent on whether it gets into BP, which right now I'm on the fence about. No way it gets into Director. Nobody has seen the film yet, besides Warner Brothers. It is way too early to say "Best Director is off the table".
The trailer looks pretty darn good and hints at dealing with cultural racism, which certainly going to score "academy points".
Warner Brothers is without a doubt going to put a lot of money into promoting the film.
People are probably skeptical due to the lack of veteran presence in the directing and writing credits.
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 9, 2021 4:07:53 GMT
Yeah, pretty much what the others are saying. Smith should definitely get nominated, but I think a win is dependent on whether it gets into BP, which right now I'm on the fence about. No way it gets into Director. Nobody has seen the film yet, besides Warner Brothers. It is way too early to say "Best Director is off the table".
The trailer looks pretty darn good and hints at dealing with cultural racism, which certainly going to score "academy points".
Warner Brothers is without a doubt going to put a lot of money into promoting the film.
People are probably skeptical due to the lack of veteran presence in the directing and writing credits.
Eh, agree to disagree. This looks like your typical stock standard biopic with almost no visual flair or impressive/distinctive directorial style behind it. Will be very hard for the film to stand out in that category when you're going up against the likes of Campion, Villeneuve, del Toro, Coen, PTA, McKay, Anderson, Larrain, Spielberg, Scott x2, Farhardi etc. Even if the film is in the BP conversation, just in the last few years we have Cooper, McDonagh, Sorkin and Farrelly as pretty good precedents for someone like Green missing. I'm sure WB will do a decent job of promoting it, yes. But it won't be their #1, and as of right now, they haven't sent it to any festivals. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 9, 2021 11:25:58 GMT
Eh, agree to disagree. This looks like your typical stock standard biopic with almost no visual flair or impressive/distinctive directorial style behind it. Will be very hard for the film to stand out in that category when you're going up against the likes of Campion, Villeneuve, del Toro, Coen, PTA, McKay, Anderson, Larrain, Spielberg, Scott x2, Farhardi etc. Even if the film is in the BP conversation, just in the last few years we have Cooper, McDonagh, Sorkin and Farrelly as pretty good precedents for someone like Green missing. I'm sure WB will do a decent job of promoting it, yes. But it won't be their #1, and as of right now, they haven't sent it to any festivals. Lets keep in mind here:
You have not seen the film.
How is the "visual flair or impressive/distinctive style" worst than the visual palettes of movie Ray, The Blindside, Green Book, or even Judas and the Black Messiah? All Best Picture nominees. The trailer was only about 2 minutes long. That's not enough time to judge Martin's editing or how the filmmakers decide to show the different layers of Richie Williams.
Don't get me wrong, the film could very well end up like Seven Pounds or be one of those "okay films" with a great performance. Think Denzel Washington in Roman J. Israel Esq, Sean Penn in I am Sam, or even recently with Andra Day.
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 9, 2021 11:57:03 GMT
Eh, agree to disagree. This looks like your typical stock standard biopic with almost no visual flair or impressive/distinctive directorial style behind it. Will be very hard for the film to stand out in that category when you're going up against the likes of Campion, Villeneuve, del Toro, Coen, PTA, McKay, Anderson, Larrain, Spielberg, Scott x2, Farhardi etc. Even if the film is in the BP conversation, just in the last few years we have Cooper, McDonagh, Sorkin and Farrelly as pretty good precedents for someone like Green missing. I'm sure WB will do a decent job of promoting it, yes. But it won't be their #1, and as of right now, they haven't sent it to any festivals. Lets keep in mind here:
You have not seen the film.
How is the "visual flair or impressive/distinctive style" worst than the visual palettes of movie Ray, The Blindside, Green Book, or even Judas and the Black Messiah? All Best Picture nominees. The trailer was only about 2 minutes long. That's not enough time to judge Martin's editing or how the filmmakers decide to show the different layers of Richie Williams.
Don't get me wrong, the film could very well end up like Seven Pounds or be one of those "okay films" with a great performance. Think Denzel Washington in Roman J. Israel Esq, Sean Penn in I am Sam, or even recently with Andra Day.
I'm not exactly sure what your argument here is. Only one of those films got nominated for Director... |
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Post by franklin on Aug 9, 2021 13:26:44 GMT
Eh, agree to disagree. This looks like your typical stock standard biopic with almost no visual flair or impressive/distinctive directorial style behind it. Will be very hard for the film to stand out in that category when you're going up against the likes of Campion, Villeneuve, del Toro, Coen, PTA, McKay, Anderson, Larrain, Spielberg, Scott x2, Farhardi etc. Even if the film is in the BP conversation, just in the last few years we have Cooper, McDonagh, Sorkin and Farrelly as pretty good precedents for someone like Green missing. I'm sure WB will do a decent job of promoting it, yes. But it won't be their #1, and as of right now, they haven't sent it to any festivals. Lets keep in mind here:
You have not seen the film.
How is the "visual flair or impressive/distinctive style" worst than the visual palettes of movie Ray, The Blindside, Green Book, or even Judas and the Black Messiah? All Best Picture nominees. The trailer was only about 2 minutes long. That's not enough time to judge Martin's editing or how the filmmakers decide to show the different layers of Richie Williams.
Don't get me wrong, the film could very well end up like Seven Pounds or be one of those "okay films" with a great performance. Think Denzel Washington in Roman J. Israel Esq, Sean Penn in I am Sam, or even recently with Andra Day.
Sean Penn in I Am Sam was awful and should have never been nominated for it. I know, it's a bit off-topic and beside your point, but it bears repeating whenever there's an occasion. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 10, 2021 2:43:32 GMT
Lets keep in mind here:
You have not seen the film.
How is the "visual flair or impressive/distinctive style" worst than the visual palettes of movie Ray, The Blindside, Green Book, or even Judas and the Black Messiah? All Best Picture nominees. The trailer was only about 2 minutes long. That's not enough time to judge Martin's editing or how the filmmakers decide to show the different layers of Richie Williams.
Don't get me wrong, the film could very well end up like Seven Pounds or be one of those "okay films" with a great performance. Think Denzel Washington in Roman J. Israel Esq, Sean Penn in I am Sam, or even recently with Andra Day.
I'm not exactly sure what your argument here is. Only one of those films got nominated for Director... You seem to be criticizing Green's directorial decisions, even though this was only the trailer.
I asked you to compare the directorial style of King Richard to famous biographical films about cultural racism. Ray, Green Book, Blind Side, Judas all come to mind.
To me, the film has tons of potential. Richard Williams is a very complex person and seen as quite controversial. His domineering and high ego personality tends to rub people the wrong way. I am glad they called the film King Richard. This to me implies, it's not going to be a cookie-cutter biopic.
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 10, 2021 7:44:44 GMT
I'm not exactly sure what your argument here is. Only one of those films got nominated for Director... You seem to be criticizing Green's directorial decisions, even though this was only the trailer.
I asked you to compare the directorial style of King Richard to famous biographical films about cultural racism. Ray, Green Book, Blind Side, Judas all come to mind.
To me, the film has tons of potential. Richard Williams is a very complex person and seen as quite controversial. His domineering and high ego personality tends to rub people the wrong way. I am glad they called the film King Richard. This to me implies, it's not going to be a cookie-cutter biopic.
I never criticised him, just said it will be hard for him to stand out in this years potential director field. The whole basis of our conversation was about whether Green can get into Director, hence why I was confused that you used 3 films that didn't get a Director nom as examples. Anyway, only time will tell. I've said my piece, and you've said yours, no point going around in circles. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 4, 2021 12:35:30 GMT
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 4, 2021 13:19:49 GMT
Besides Smith, I can see this hitting Picture, Supporting Actress, Original Screenplay and possibly Editing.
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Post by michael128 on Sept 4, 2021 15:34:12 GMT
YES
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Post by iheartamyadams on Sept 4, 2021 15:58:26 GMT
Telluride reception confirmed that it’s probably closer to top five than missing BP. I think it’s in for Actor, Supporting Actress, BP, Original Song and Editing. Outside shot for Screenplay and I think Will Smith is our frontrunner atm.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 4, 2021 23:11:39 GMT
Ah yes, forgot about Song, pencil that one in too.
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 4, 2021 23:59:03 GMT
Telluride reception confirmed that it’s probably closer to top five than missing BP. I think it’s in for Actor, Supporting Actress, BP, Original Song and Editing. Outside shot for Screenplay and I think Will Smith is our frontrunner atm. I am only looking at the major categories: picture, director, acting, screenplay, and editing. Outside of the majors, definitely original song or even cinematography. |
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Post by iheartamyadams on Sept 5, 2021 15:06:27 GMT
Was curious to see what other pundits think since Feinberg may have been a little bias for obvious reasons, but Anne Thompson was a huge fan and is predicting the film to be an Across the board contender too. She moved Will Smith to #1, has the film 2nd in BP, Ellis #4 in Actress, Bernthal and Screenplay 3rd in their respective categories.
Also Jeff Wells
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Post by iheartamyadams on Sept 5, 2021 15:07:19 GMT
Also 100% on Rottentomatoes with seven reviews
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Post by quetee on Sept 5, 2021 15:28:17 GMT
If this could score Jon Berthnal a nod then I'm in.
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Post by michael128 on Sept 5, 2021 16:30:21 GMT
Also 100% on Rottentomatoes with seven reviews I think I am going to vomit. Of those 7 reviews, this is the only mention Beyoncé gets? There has been a consistent and calculated campaign to drive Beyoncé out of Hollywood forever and it's never been more apparent to me now. It's so obvious and it's so sick. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 5, 2021 5:39:46 GMT
Apparently this will actually be competing in Adapted Screenplay.
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