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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 3, 2021 7:54:08 GMT
For me, Around the World in 80 Days and A Beautiful Mind.
The former is an old fashioned adventure and blockbuster of its day. Its not the tale that Lawrence of Arabia is, but it feels like an epic motif of America at its heyday with postcard nostalgia
A Beautiful Mind I get that Ron Howard is despised but the movie isn't good because of him. Without Crowe, Connelly, the editing and the production team you wonder how good of a movie it would be but I do believe with those things its a fast moving tragedy with a hint of romance and peril.
For context, these are my Top 15 BP winners:
1. Casablanca - 10 2. The Godfather - 9 3. The Godfather: Part 2 - 9 4. Rebecca - 9 5. All Quiet on the Western Front - 9 6. Return of the King - 9 7. Annie Hall - 9 8. Unforgiven - 9 9. Bridge on the River Kwai - 9 10. Amadeus - 9 11. Lawrence of Arabia - 8.5 12. Titanic - 8.5 13. Around the World in 80 Days - 8 14. A Beautiful Mind - 8
15. From Here To Eternity/Mutiny on the Bounty/Ben-Hur
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 3, 2021 8:34:18 GMT
I'll co-sign A Beautiful Mind.
And even though it is one of the weakest in it category, I still really like Green Book.
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Post by stabcaesar on Aug 3, 2021 8:49:42 GMT
Shakespeare in Love
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Post by JangoB on Aug 3, 2021 9:07:49 GMT
In thinking about this question I've actually found that it's pretty hard to determine which BP winners are despised and which are not. Like, "A Beautiful Mind" may be despised by stuff like Film Twitter and movie forum visitors but the general public seems to love it. It's in the Top 250 of both IMDb (with 870,000+ ratings) and Kinopoisk (which is the Russian version of IMDb where it has 420,000+ ratings). Plus the reviews were good. It's sort of hard for me to think of it as despised but then again, there is a lot of online sneer about it, so I guess it is despised in some circles. Alas, I do like it quite bit myself! I actually like a lot of BP winners which are usually considered weak. The key word here is like - it's not that I adore them and consider them to be among the best of the year. But like? Sure, why not. I like "Green Book", I like "Crash", I like "The Greatest Show on Earth", I like "Cimarron". There's hardly a BP winner I don't like. I just like movies But the one I'd like to single out here which I do often see treated with contempt and viciousness (particularly on our forum) is "Gigi". Even though I don't fully understand the enormous hard-on the Academy had for it (it's not like it's "Ben-Hur" or something...I guess they really wanted to reward Vincente Minnelli, huh), I think it's a pretty delightful musical with gorgeous visuals and that classic Hollywood musical charm presented to the viewer in abundance. It's like a candy box of a movie. I've always been amazed that something this innocuous could inspire such hatred.
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Post by speeders on Aug 3, 2021 10:31:51 GMT
I legit love:
Ordinary People Kramer vs. Kramer Slumdog Millionaire American Beauty How Green Was My Valley
I also came to dig Chicago on a rewatch after initially loathing it and I've always enjoyed Crash, though it winning over Brokeback Mountain is horrible.
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Post by dazed on Aug 3, 2021 12:21:38 GMT
Crash
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Post by stephen on Aug 3, 2021 12:28:03 GMT
Public opinion has soured on Mel Gibson and for good reason, but Braveheart is still one of the finest Best Picture winners and also one of the more influential ones as well.
I also really like Around the World in Eighty Days.
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Post by stephen on Aug 3, 2021 12:29:49 GMT
But the one I'd like to single out here which I do often see treated with contempt and viciousness (particularly on our forum) is "Gigi". Even though I don't fully understand the enormous hard-on the Academy had for it (it's not like it's "Ben-Hur" or something...I guess they really wanted to reward Vincente Minnelli, huh), I think it's a pretty delightful musical with gorgeous visuals and that classic Hollywood musical charm presented to the viewer in abundance. It's like a candy box of a movie. I've always been amazed that something this innocuous could inspire such hatred. As the President of the Gigi Sucks club, I always am pleasantly surprised to see how it crops up as so reviled in little random pockets of the film community. I hate it, it's my least favorite film, but I can see why it was a big deal in 1958 and why it swept.
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Post by TheAlwaysClassy on Aug 3, 2021 12:46:28 GMT
I've always found Dances with Wolves to be utterly engrossing.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 3, 2021 12:47:29 GMT
Braveheart (if it’s despised, not sure) Green Book The Shape of Water Dances With Wolves
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 13:03:46 GMT
Out of Africa
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 3, 2021 13:44:13 GMT
Pretty much all of the despised 2000s winners. Crash, Chicago, A Beautiful Mind. Big fan of all of them.
Gigi should have been melted for silver.
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Post by futuretrunks on Aug 3, 2021 19:37:11 GMT
Crash
Green Book
Gigi
And on the flipside, Best Picture winners I detest/strongly dislike that many people love: Moonlight, The Shape of Water, Argo, Million Dollar Baby, LOTR: ROTK (I love the first two, hated the third), Unforgiven, Amadeus
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Post by mrimpossible on Aug 3, 2021 21:17:20 GMT
Green Book (Used to dislike it myself but rewatches have made me reconsider my opinion) Chicago American Beauty Shakespeare in Love The English Patient Out of Africa Tom Jones Gigi (The absurd hate for this film is completely baffling to me)
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Post by dadsburgers on Aug 3, 2021 22:24:46 GMT
I'm still a big sucker for American Beauty. Criticisms are valid, but there's so much in it that means a lot to me
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Post by wonky on Aug 4, 2021 18:42:06 GMT
Echoing Jango's thoughts, I can never quite figure out where Forrest Gump falls on the despise/love spectrum, it arguably defies it altogether, but that's probably my biggest discrepancy between the kind of hate it tends to engender and how much I enjoy it.
I like a lot of the ones that used to get more hate simply because of the movies they beat, I sense there's been more appreciation for How Green Was My Valley, Ordinary People, and Shakespeare in Love over the years.
I'd like to revisit American Beauty, A Beautiful Mind, Million Dollar Baby, and Crash, haven't seen them since they came out and that was just the period where I was pretty much watching everything through the prism of the Oscars.
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 5, 2021 11:57:00 GMT
I am confused. What constitutes as a "despised best picture winner"?
People mentioned Green Book here, but that movie has an 8.2/10 IMDB rating and won Best Picture trophies at the Toronto Film Festival and National Board of Review awards.
I really hope the barometer for "despised best picture winner" is not what Twitter says or what offended the far-left the most.
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Post by finniussnrub on Aug 5, 2021 12:16:38 GMT
I am confused. What constitutes as a "despised best picture winner"? People mentioned Green Book here, but that movie has an 8.2/10 IMDB rating and won Best Picture trophies at the Toronto Film Festival and National Board of Review awards. I really hope the barometer for "despised best picture winner" is not what Twitter says or what offended the far-left the most. Basically whatever the "internet" despises. And even then the strict and technical loud minority in the scheme of things. This as, other than a handful of early winners mostly ( Cimarron, Cavalcade) almost all best picture winners are at least positively viewed by most viewers and critics.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 5, 2021 14:07:17 GMT
I am confused. What constitutes as a "despised best picture winner"? People mentioned Green Book here, but that movie has an 8.2/10 IMDB rating and won Best Picture trophies at the Toronto Film Festival and National Board of Review awards. I really hope the barometer for "despised best picture winner" is not what Twitter says or what offended the far-left the most. Agreed, what’s despised by the general public vs “film twitter” is drastically different.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 5, 2021 14:30:09 GMT
Chicago is despised...I must have missed the memo. Anyway if that is the case, I fecking love it.
I also like Crash plenty, never could get on board that hate train either.
The King's Speech is a lovely film too, I'd sit down and watch that any day of the week, The Social Network not so much.
I think in general, for the masses; most best pictures aren't despised. They tend to be quite easy to stomach and inoffensive and then quickly forgotten.
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Post by stephen on Aug 5, 2021 14:34:20 GMT
Chicago is despised...I must have missed the memo. Anyway if that is the case, I fecking love it. I also like Crash plenty, never could get on board that hate train either. The King's Speech is a lovely film too, I'd sit down and watch that any day of the week, The Social Network not so much. I think in general, for the masses; most best pictures aren't despised. They tend to be quite easy to stomach and inoffensive and then quickly forgotten. I despise Chicago but that's the going rate for me with movie musicals. For every one that I love, there's a hundred I hate. I just find it to be a genre that just doesn't translate well cinematically, but the ones that do do it so well.Crash has never been the worst winner for me, either of the decade (I hate Chicago and Slumdog more, and depending on the day I may pick Crash over Million Dollar Baby) or of all time. I get why it is the paragon of Oscar taking the safe route because of what it beat and because of how blunt-force on-the-nose it is, but I've never hated it with the vitriol so many lob towards it. The King's Speech is awesome and it grows more and more in my mind. I do think Tom Hooper's direction gets in its own way and the film has a sort of cheap aesthetic to it, but the performances and script are sterling.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 5, 2021 14:41:14 GMT
Chicago is despised...I must have missed the memo. Anyway if that is the case, I fecking love it. I also like Crash plenty, never could get on board that hate train either. The King's Speech is a lovely film too, I'd sit down and watch that any day of the week, The Social Network not so much. I think in general, for the masses; most best pictures aren't despised. They tend to be quite easy to stomach and inoffensive and then quickly forgotten. I despise Chicago but that's the going rate for me with movie musicals. For every one that I love, there's a hundred I hate. I just find it to be a genre that just doesn't translate well cinematically, but the ones that do do it so well.Crash has never been the worst winner for me, either of the decade (I hate Chicago and Slumdog more, and depending on the day I may pick Crash over Million Dollar Baby) or of all time. I get why it is the paragon of Oscar taking the safe route because of what it beat and because of how blunt-force on-the-nose it is, but I've never hated it with the vitriol so many lob towards it. The King's Speech is awesome and it grows more and more in my mind. I do think Tom Hooper's direction gets in its own way and the film has a sort of cheap aesthetic to it, but the performances and script are sterling. Right there with you on the musicals, for every one I love, I hate at least a dozen. In general I find them cringe inducing. Chicago though just hit it with me, I can't get enough of it. I think it might be the closest I have come since Amadeus to matching with the Academy for best film of the year, by alas that gulf continues to widen. Almost 40 years in film now.
Glad to see someone else who appreciates The King's Speech and I do agree on the cheap aesthetic, especially in some of the exterior scenes.
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 6, 2021 2:07:27 GMT
I am confused. What constitutes as a "despised best picture winner"? People mentioned Green Book here, but that movie has an 8.2/10 IMDB rating and won Best Picture trophies at the Toronto Film Festival and National Board of Review awards. I really hope the barometer for "despised best picture winner" is not what Twitter says or what offended the far-left the most. Agreed, what’s despised by the general public vs “film twitter” is drastically different. That's what I suspected. I believe the OP's question seems more applicable to best picture winners released between 1929 and 2000 that no longer have its original magic.
The Greatest Show on Earth is a prime example. It was the highest grossing film of 1952, but by today's standards, The Quiet Man and High Noon are far more popular and widely seen.
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Post by countjohn on Aug 8, 2021 23:23:23 GMT
Echoing what others have said, I would not call almost all of the ones being named "despised". Hard to win BP if people actually hate the movie.
Anyway, I liked Green Book (not my favorite of that year but might have been my favorite of the nominees that year) and I think it's fair to say it's "despised" at least amongst a certain segment of the critical community. The absurd OTT Gigi hate is a distinctively MAR thing but I'll mention that too.
Really Driving Miss Daisy, Shakespeare in Love, Crash, and Green Book would be the only BP winners it might be fair to call "despised". SiL due to film bros being pissed it beat Saving Private Ryan and the others due to controversial and heavy handed racial commentary.
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