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Post by franklin on Jul 9, 2021 16:00:32 GMT
In the wake of Tom Hanks's 65th birthday (in which he reaches the so called "retirement age") i was wondering, do you think he will retire gracefully like Jack Nicholson or DDL did (even though he was only 60), thus maybe five or seven years from now, when he reaches 70 and his movie star status and box office drawing power declines, or you think he will continue to work regardless and take whatever comes his way until he dies like DeNiro, Pacino, and Hopkins???
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 9, 2021 16:10:48 GMT
Errr...no. Unless it's health related.
He's never had any problem getting good roles. Still an A-list movie star. Any quality role that requires a likable, all-American white guy in his 60's or 70's (as he ages) will probably get offered to him first before any other actor. He has no need to retire, unless he's simply bored/tired of making movies (which is probably what happened to Gene Hackman. Rumours are that Nicholson was having memory issues and that probably factored in his retirement. It was certainly the case with Sean Connery, as it was revealed he had dementia after he died).
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 9, 2021 16:57:21 GMT
I feel like if Hanks was setting himself up retirement, he would doing less and less movies, like maybe one every three years. Instead the dude is working as much as he used to. Even with him having all the money in the world, he still loves to work. Really I can't see him retiring unless he has a stroke or something.
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Post by stephen on Jul 9, 2021 17:02:11 GMT
Dude is a workhorse. He ain't quitting.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 9, 2021 17:05:47 GMT
I've said this before - at some point he'll be recognized as "THE" GOAT (not by me  )- or as close as anyone gets to that title - that's because of things that dovetail with the way he acts - he can play every man roles - he triumphed in drama and comedy - and his films which include a bunch of classics INCLUDING family classics - have insane rewatchability ......which makes them ripe for watching at home........ which is what people think movies are now. No one else has what he has in the way he has it - not the all-time GOATs - some of which you listed - or his "general age rivals" who may be better actors - Bridges, Washington, Dafoe .........but that isn't the point here. Next year he's playing a villain in a switch-up that if anything evokes Henry Fonda - the aw shucks Hanks of his day  - in OUATITW.....if you can be a favorite for an Oscar a year and a half early I'd say he's it too...... He'll be like Paul Newman rather than the GOAT actors you listed DePac, Nicholson, DDL - he'll be steady, periodic, consistent.....  |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jul 9, 2021 17:35:17 GMT
I don’t think so..he’s still in good health and I think he still has some career goals he wants to accomplish such as joining the 3 time Oscar winning club. I think he’ll continue acting way into his 70s. Probably would also want to give it another go on Broadway as well.
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Post by quetee on Jul 9, 2021 18:11:31 GMT
Not even close.
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Post by countjohn on Jul 9, 2021 18:22:47 GMT
Maybe if he gets sick of acting, but I don't think so. Hanks's persona really lends itself to old man roles, going from America's Dad to America's Grandpa would be a pretty easy transition to make. The thing with the other guys is that growing old didn't fit with what they did. The element of sex appeal was nearly always there in Jack's prime work and DDL was all about perfection and getting the best roles and movies, which isn't going to happen as much as you get older.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 9, 2021 19:20:15 GMT
Not at all. He's still getting good parts, does well in the box office and is a workaholic.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 9, 2021 21:04:24 GMT
I've said this before - at some point he'll be recognized as "THE" GOAT (not by me )- or as close as anyone gets to that title - that's because of things that dovetail with the way he acts - he can play every man roles - he triumphed in drama and comedy - and his films which include a bunch of classics INCLUDING family classics - have insane rewatchability ......which makes them ripe for watching at home........ which is what people think movies are now. No one else has what he has in the way he has it - not the all-time GOATs - some of which you listed - or his "general age rivals" who may be better actors - Bridges, Washington, Dafoe .........but that isn't the point here. Next year he's playing a villain in a switch-up that if anything evokes Henry Fonda - the aw shucks Hanks of his day - in OUATITW.....if you can be a favorite for an Oscar a year and a half early I'd say he's it too...... He'll be like Paul Newman rather than the GOAT actors you listed DePac, Nicholson, DDL - he'll be steady, periodic, consistent..... The problem with Hanks though, is his recent work - more the quality of the films than his performances, which are always solid - contrasts poorly with his all-time level 90s decade. His talent hasn't wavered, yet he's become nearly passé at this point. Newman unfurled, showing new aspects of his craft as he aged (the old man in Road to Perdition scarcely seems like the same person as the young man in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, for instance, yet both are superb performances). Hanks has got to be in some sexier stuff. I feel like my generation really respects him, but our connection is based on 20+ year old stuff, not Sully or News in the World. |
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Post by SZilla on Jul 9, 2021 21:11:46 GMT
Nah, I want to see old man Hanks on my screen for years to come.
I can see him having a great "latter day" career performance in a Paul Newman-like Road to Perdition role. I can also see him just being fun grandpa Hanks in some supporting role in a charming film with a heartbreaking "goodbye" type of scene for him that'll get him renewed Oscar attention as well. Either way, I think he's here to stay.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 9, 2021 21:26:00 GMT
I've said this before - at some point he'll be recognized as "THE" GOAT (not by me )- or as close as anyone gets to that title - that's because of things that dovetail with the way he acts - he can play every man roles - he triumphed in drama and comedy - and his films which include a bunch of classics INCLUDING family classics - have insane rewatchability ......which makes them ripe for watching at home........ which is what people think movies are now. No one else has what he has in the way he has it - not the all-time GOATs - some of which you listed - or his "general age rivals" who may be better actors - Bridges, Washington, Dafoe .........but that isn't the point here. Next year he's playing a villain in a switch-up that if anything evokes Henry Fonda - the aw shucks Hanks of his day - in OUATITW.....if you can be a favorite for an Oscar a year and a half early I'd say he's it too...... He'll be like Paul Newman rather than the GOAT actors you listed DePac, Nicholson, DDL - he'll be steady, periodic, consistent..... The problem with Hanks though, is his recent work - more the quality of the films than his performances, which are always solid - contrasts poorly with his all-time level 90s decade. His talent hasn't wavered, yet he's become nearly passé at this point. Newman unfurled, showing new aspects of his craft as he aged (the old man in Road to Perdition scarcely seems like the same person as the young man in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, for instance, yet both are superb performances). Hanks has got to be in some sexier stuff. I feel like my generation really respects him, but our connection is based on 20+ year old stuff, not Sully or News in the World. Yeah, all this stuff about Hanks eventually being universally regarded as GOAT just flies in the face of reality. Passe is probably the right word. When Manohla Dargis and AO Scott were interviewed about their 25 Greatest Actors Of The 21st Century list in the New York Times , they said they were surprised that of all the people they were criticised for omitting from the list ( Streep etc) nobody really complained about Hanks being omitted. Hanks painted himself into a narrow corner with his "All-American nice guy" niche, which he's never really broken away from. He missed his chance to do that and it's probably too late now. He's one of the most beloved movie stars ever, but he doesn't quite transcend generations like a generational peer like Denzel (where even teenagers today think he's "cool" because things like Training Day still appeal to them) or even DDL (whom younger people found "cool" after Gangs Of New York). Hanks is really more like Morgan Freeman. Everyone likes/loves Freeman, but do they necessarily see him as the GOAT actor ....or do they just find him extremely easy to relate to? That's Hanks in a nutshell. America's Dad. He'll always be seen as too passé or vanilla for a lot of people and taste makers to see as the Greatest Actor ever. He'll be in those conversations though (but never as a consensus choice), but I think he will always be generally perceived as a truly beloved movie star and role model than the ultimate thespian. He's just not edgy enough. It's a huge limiting factor in how people perceive him . It's a limiting factor in how even fellow actors perceive him. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 9, 2021 21:58:10 GMT
I've said this before - at some point he'll be recognized as "THE" GOAT (not by me )- or as close as anyone gets to that title - that's because of things that dovetail with the way he acts - he can play every man roles - he triumphed in drama and comedy - and his films which include a bunch of classics INCLUDING family classics - have insane rewatchability ......which makes them ripe for watching at home........ which is what people think movies are now. No one else has what he has in the way he has it - not the all-time GOATs - some of which you listed - or his "general age rivals" who may be better actors - Bridges, Washington, Dafoe .........but that isn't the point here. Next year he's playing a villain in a switch-up that if anything evokes Henry Fonda - the aw shucks Hanks of his day - in OUATITW.....if you can be a favorite for an Oscar a year and a half early I'd say he's it too...... He'll be like Paul Newman rather than the GOAT actors you listed DePac, Nicholson, DDL - he'll be steady, periodic, consistent..... The problem with Hanks though, is his recent work - more the quality of the films than his performances, which are always solid - contrasts poorly with his all-time level 90s decade. His talent hasn't wavered, yet he's become nearly passé at this point. Newman unfurled, showing new aspects of his craft as he aged (the old man in Road to Perdition scarcely seems like the same person as the young man in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, for instance, yet both are superb performances). Hanks has got to be in some sexier stuff. I feel like my generation really respects him, but our connection is based on 20+ year old stuff, not Sully or News in the World. I'd agree and he REALLY needs that bad guy role in Elvis in 2022 - it's crucial..........but I'd say it maybe seems that way because we're still watching him do it and not looking back on his finished career like Newman........he's become nearly passé because the world has a shorter attention span now - but his attributes will last in ways you maybe don't see right now. Your generation is going to get older, become dads, raise kids and a lot of the stuff he's done after the 90s is going to resonate in a deeper way - there's just nobody who matches that ..........if the Newman example doesn't fit for you ........use Jimmy Stewart .......there's a reason Stewart gets in that GOAT discussion always ..........there's a reason Hanks is America's favorite actor consistently and people who say things like "Denzel or Cage is cooler (they are)" or " Bridges is better" (I think so anyway) or " Dafoe is more daring" (he is) .......are reading the terrain wrong........people like who they like and as an actor he checks off almost all the boxes far more than they do .....the usual GOAT level people ( Brando, DePac, Nicholson, Lemmon, Newman, Hackman) belong to a different era when movies meant something else.......now I will say DiCaprio I could see "taking" that title from Hanks but with the 20 year gap atm it's hard to judge for me...... |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 9, 2021 22:13:51 GMT
No one is saying Hanks won't be in GOAT conversations. He has an all-time level career , so of course he'll come up in conversations. It's the notion that he'll be some universally regarded consensus GOAT that just seems very silly. He's not edgy enough for that. I like him a lot, but he's too Vanilla for many people. Like I said, no one complained when he didn't make the New York Times Greatest Actors Of The 21st Century list. He's not Brando, DeNiro, Pacino, Denzel....he is not even Newman, who while more limited in range than those guys, was still an "edgy" actor. Being good at comedy and drama isn't enough. He has too many drawbacks to ever be a consensus type o f pick. There is a reason other actors don't consistently name check him like a Denzel or a DDL. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 9, 2021 22:32:18 GMT
Being good at comedy and drama isn't enough. He has too many drawbacks to ever be a consensus type of pick.
It's more than that though - he just checks off more boxes than anyone in his generation and that generation all has deep flaws - and I like them all too...............I mean he has a great filmography and they don't match it - he has A LOT of classics across genres - he has like 10 BP nominees (?) - he beats all of them in Comedic work, and in Family Films (which matters a lot going forward as people watch movies at home more) .........he beats them all at the Box Office.........he has a lot of things in his tool kit that Washington/Bridges/Dafoe/Cage just can't match
It's like I said ............they have some other things "over" him - and he's not my pick personally - but he has more attributes than the guys in his age range do
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 9, 2021 22:40:02 GMT
Being good at comedy and drama isn't enough. He has too many drawbacks to ever be a consensus type of pick. It's more than that though - he just checks off more boxes than anyone in his generation and that generation all has deep flaws - and I like them all too...............I mean he has a great filmography and they don't match it - he has A LOT of classics across genres - he has like 10 BP nominees (?) - he beats all of them in Comedic work, and in Family Films (which matters a lot going forward as people watch movies at home more) .........he beats them all at the Box Office.........he has a lot of things in his tool kit that Washington/Bridges/Dafoe/Cage just can't match It's like I said ............they have some other things "over" him - and he's not my pick personally - but he has more attributes than the guys in his age range do Ymmv And yet...he's still not an edgy actor, and never will be. Deep down , I think you know how much that matters in terms of GOAT perception, at the really top level. But you 've committed yourself to this long term prediction, so I understand why you won't acknowledge how huge a limiting factor it is for Hanks to ever gain that type of consensus. Like I said, Hanks is more Morgan Freeman than Marlon Brando.If Hanks had even a quarter of the edge and darkness that Paul Newman displayed in his career, I might even agree with you. It just ain't there and never will be. |
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Post by hugobolso on Jul 9, 2021 22:57:11 GMT
Errr...no. Unless it's health related. He's never had any problem getting good roles. Still an A-list movie star. Any quality role that requires a likable, all-American white guy in his 60's or 70's (as he ages) will probably get offered to him first before any other actor. He has no need to retire, unless he's simply bored/tired of making movies (which is probably what happened to Gene Hackman. Rumours are that Nicholson was having memory issues and that probably factored in his retirement. It was certainly the case with Sean Connery, as it was revealed he had dementia after he died). First of all Day Lewis lived all his career in permanent semiretirement before his 40ths birthday Seccond, Connery retired several years before he had demantia. He retired in 2003 after a critical and box office dissapoint, but still he was everywhere playing golf and promoting Scotland Independence for several years, at least until 2010.- Hackman, like Connery was more like the old way, old hollywood leading men retired at their early 60s, well he retired in his early 70s. Nicholson chase is different he made tons of money thanks to the profits of Batman and As Good as it Gets, never very film prolific, he lived in permanent semiretirement since 1997. Howver because he hasn't made a film since 2010 (not the usually 3 to 7 year hiatus), so probably he has mental problems.- Tom Hanks is more like the 3 movie every 2 years guys, worked that well for him, and he will cotinue for several more years, even if he gets too old for leading roles, he will do TV or supporting roles with the same rhytm, he also produce, so I think he will never retired, in fact I guess he said something like that in his first Oscar Speech, not remember if it was the official or the press conference.- |
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)- or as close as anyone gets to that title - that's because of things that dovetail with the way he acts - he can play every man roles - he triumphed in drama and comedy - and his films which include a bunch of classics INCLUDING family classics - have insane rewatchability ......which makes them ripe for watching at home........which is what people think movies are now.
- in OUATITW.....if you can be a favorite for an Oscar a year and a half early I'd say he's it too......
