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Post by dadsburgers on Apr 28, 2021 23:23:46 GMT
Obviously, a widely panned decision especially given the outcome of Best Actor (although I don't think people would have loved it even if Boseman won). It's seen as a terrible gamble on the part of Soderbergh or whoever's in charge.
However, could they have done it intentionally hedging their bets on the current outcome? Soderbergh was so set on creating a narrative, did he put all his chips on Best Actor with the intention that, whether everybody is celebrating Boseman or freaking out over an extra-chaotic upset and ending, he wanted the show to go out with a bang even bigger than the Moonlight-La La Land fiasco? I know that ABC and the Academy can't be happy about it, but could this have been on the back of Soderbergh's mind given the kind of producer he is (balls-to-the-wall risky)?
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Post by flasuss on Apr 29, 2021 1:01:39 GMT
You're overthinking it. Not in a billion years they wanted the show to end in a confusing anti-climax. They didn't know the results, only PWC's people did.
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Post by Martin Stett on Apr 29, 2021 1:44:16 GMT
So you're saying that Steven Soderbergh is this guy:
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Post by michael128 on Apr 29, 2021 5:30:49 GMT
You're overthinking it. Not in a billion years they wanted the show to end in a confusing anti-climax. They didn't know the results, only PWC's people did. no such thing as bad publicity the chef's mahi mahi was awful awful |
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Post by flasuss on Apr 29, 2021 10:23:53 GMT
You're overthinking it. Not in a billion years they wanted the show to end in a confusing anti-climax. They didn't know the results, only PWC's people did. no such thing as bad publicity the chef's mahi mahi was awful awful That's non-sense: the only kind of people that don't care about negative publicity are ones that don't care about their reputation and prestige. The LLL/Moonlight screw up brought more attention to the Oscars than It had in a long time, yet the Academy will be forever embarassed by it. Plus, that screw-up will just turn viewers off. |
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Post by bob-coppola on Apr 29, 2021 11:39:19 GMT
I don't think the decision to switch the category order was really that bad. I mean, the outcome (McDormand giving a 5 seconds speech and Hopkins being unable to receive, and not even letting Colman accept on his behalf) was batshit crazy and doesn't make for good TV, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
Putting BD in the middle of the show this year, to me, was the right call. Everybody who keeps up with the awards season knew there was no way anyone not named Chloe Zhao would win that, even if Nomadland didn't go on to win BP. So, let's present that earlier, sometime when it doesn't seem like they wanna brush Zhao off and still inject some surprise to viewers, give them something major when they didn't see it coming.
Switching the lead acting categories with BP... Well, I wouldn't do that, but it's not a bad idea this year. Nomadland was pretty much a lock, but still BP should be the one to close the show. However, there was very much a race in those acting categories. In the last weeks of the season, the whole discourse was about how unpredictable Best Actress was. It was suspenseful and a nail-bitter, so it makes sense you wanna save that for last.
Thing is, they should have saved that for last, not Best Actor. Not only it would've spared the show of ending with a no-show, a gamble on a sentimental moment that didn't pay off, it might've even swifted the blow. I mean, if McDormand knew she'd be the last person to give a speech that night, I believe she would speak more and say something more impactful. We know from the 2017 season she can do that quite well.
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Post by flasuss on Apr 29, 2021 13:25:42 GMT
Not putting BP last is unacceptable and there is really no serious argument for it. By putting lead actors last, you send the message that the stars are more important than the movies themselves, and make the most important awards a lesser part of it. Making best actor last because you want to put his grieving widow there shows you're an asshole by centering your show in exploiting a tragedy and a family's grief.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 29, 2021 14:01:31 GMT
Bong Joon-ho can come back every year with Sharon Choi to announce BD in any order they please, but other than that there's nothing about this presentation I'd like to see repeated. It was a terrible ceremony. I know people are excited about the winners but the presentation was atrocious.
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Post by stephen on Apr 29, 2021 14:11:01 GMT
I still have no general issue with the presentation format, and I really appreciated how they allowed the recipients to give their speeches without fear that they would be played offstage. We wouldn't have had moments like Vinterberg's speech, for example, if they'd stuck to the old way.
Do I think they should've peppered in montages and clips? Of course. I love those. But until Lil Rel showed up, the show moved at a fine clip and it didn't feel bogged down in gags and silly bits. It's only in the last half-hour when all the fuckery happened.
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Post by dadsburgers on Apr 30, 2021 0:39:09 GMT
Not putting BP last is unacceptable and there is really no serious argument for it. By putting lead actors last, you send the message that the stars are more important than the movies themselves, and make the most important awards a lesser part of it. Making best actor last because you want to put his grieving widow there shows you're an asshole by centering your show in exploiting a tragedy and a family's grief. The exploitative part of it is the worst for me-- as much as it seemed like they were trying to tribute Boseman (despite their voters), they were also capitalizing on a family's grief. This must have been worst for his family because the ceremony was basically setting them up for a victory only to give them an even bigger letdown. Also 100% agree it's rude to the entire rest of industry to put the actors after BP. At the same time, it would have been so much better had they just done Actress last instead. |
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Post by michael128 on Apr 30, 2021 3:49:54 GMT
no such thing as bad publicity the chef's mahi mahi was awful awful That's non-sense: the only kind of people that don't care about negative publicity are ones that don't care about their reputation and prestige. The LLL/Moonlight screw up brought more attention to the Oscars than It had in a long time, yet the Academy will be forever embarassed by it. Plus, that screw-up will just turn viewers off. nothing burger it brought attention to the oscars. they don't care what a few snobs on the internet think |
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