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Post by Brother Fease on Apr 5, 2021 11:39:52 GMT
Maria Bakalova - Tutar Sagdiyev - Borat Subsequent Moviefilm Glenn Close - Bonnie "Mamaw" Vance - Hillbilly ElegyOlivia Colman - Anne - The FatherAmanda Seyfried - Marion Davies - MankYoun Yuh-jung - Soon-ja - Minari
Bakalova won the Critics Choice. Yuh-jung won the SAG.
SAG and Oscar have about a 73% accuracy. Pretty much the same stat as Best Actress. BAFTA is 14 out of the last 20.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 5, 2021 11:43:58 GMT
The SAG win convinced me that Youn can pull it off. Which will make me insanely happy.
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 5, 2021 11:46:38 GMT
Youn. No question.
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Post by LaraQ on Apr 5, 2021 11:47:00 GMT
I still think Bakalova wins.
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Post by mhynson27 on Apr 5, 2021 11:48:07 GMT
All comes down to BAFTA. If anyone other than Bakalova, including obviously Youn herself wins, then Youn has this. If Bakalova wins, it's about 50/50.
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Post by franklin on Apr 5, 2021 11:53:07 GMT
Youn
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Post by stephen on Apr 5, 2021 11:54:11 GMT
If Youn wins BAFTA, she probably wins. But I think Bakalova's still very much in it, and if she takes BAFTA, we have a nailbiter.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 5, 2021 11:58:21 GMT
If Youn wins BAFTA, she probably wins. But I think Bakalova's still very much in it, and if she takes BAFTA, we have a nailbiter. BAFTA feels pretty irrelevant as a precursor this year. They are not interested in predicting the Oscars right now. Don't think the result there will make much difference. I think SAG is by far the most important and relevant precursor this year.
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Post by stephen on Apr 5, 2021 12:01:08 GMT
If Youn wins BAFTA, she probably wins. But I think Bakalova's still very much in it, and if she takes BAFTA, we have a nailbiter. BAFTA feels pretty irrelevant as a precursor this year. They are not interested in predicting the Oscars right now. Don't think the result there will make much difference. I think SAG is by far the most important and relevant precursor this year. BAFTA is irrelevant as a precursor for Best Actress because three of the five nominees didn't make it there and the other two haven't won any major industry awards of late, so even if Kirby or McDormand win there, they don't really have the edge over Day or Davis (or even Mulligan), but instead go into the night on more or less equal footing. Bakalova and Youn, however, are the two frontrunners for Best Supporting Actress and one winning over the other would show passion for that particular bloc of voters.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 5, 2021 12:07:44 GMT
BAFTA feels pretty irrelevant as a precursor this year. They are not interested in predicting the Oscars right now. Don't think the result there will make much difference. I think SAG is by far the most important and relevant precursor this year. BAFTA is irrelevant as a precursor for Best Actress because three of the five nominees didn't make it there and the other two haven't won any major industry awards of late, so even if Kirby or McDormand win there, they don't really have the edge over Day or Davis (or even Mulligan). Bakalova and Youn, however, are the two frontrunners for Best Supporting Actress and one winning over the other would show passion for that particular bloc of voters. The frontrunner for the supporting actress BAFTA is probably Kosar Ali from Rocks. So if she wins, what does that tell us? Nothing. It'll be tough, but you probably need to untrain yourself from seeing BAFTA as some deal breaker precursor in any of the acting races now. They are clearly going their own way this year, and maybe for the foreseeable future.
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Post by stephen on Apr 5, 2021 12:17:16 GMT
BAFTA is irrelevant as a precursor for Best Actress because three of the five nominees didn't make it there and the other two haven't won any major industry awards of late, so even if Kirby or McDormand win there, they don't really have the edge over Day or Davis (or even Mulligan). Bakalova and Youn, however, are the two frontrunners for Best Supporting Actress and one winning over the other would show passion for that particular bloc of voters. The frontrunner for the supporting actress BAFTA is probably Kosar Ali from Rocks. So if she wins, what does that tell us? Nothing. It'll be tough, but you probably need to untrain yourself from seeing BAFTA as some deal breaker precursor in any of the acting races now. They are clearly going their own way this year, and maybe for the foreseeable future. Ali could win (and let's face, very strong chance she and Bukray win), but if Youn or Bakalova win, they still managed to secure votes from the British voting bloc, many of whom overlap with the Academy. So it can still function as a precursor for this category, but obviously if neither wins, then once again, it's like the Globes and we move on.
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Post by finniussnrub on Apr 5, 2021 12:20:18 GMT
BAFTA is irrelevant as a precursor for Best Actress because three of the five nominees didn't make it there and the other two haven't won any major industry awards of late, so even if Kirby or McDormand win there, they don't really have the edge over Day or Davis (or even Mulligan). Bakalova and Youn, however, are the two frontrunners for Best Supporting Actress and one winning over the other would show passion for that particular bloc of voters. The frontrunner for the supporting actress BAFTA is probably Kosar Ali from Rocks. So if she wins, what does that tell us? Nothing. It'll be tough, but you probably need to untrain yourself from seeing BAFTA as some deal breaker precursor in any of the acting races now. They are clearly going their own way this year, and maybe for the foreseeable future. It is important to remember the jury system won't be voting on the winners, it is the full membership. BAFTA could easily go for all the actual Oscar nominees for the winners...leading to an inevitable "uh we need to tweak the system some more" response from BAFTA.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 12:33:02 GMT
I definitely think it's Youn. The Academy obviously loved Minari, and I think that the recent influx of hate crimes aimed particularly at older Asian-American women will only endear Youn's warm grandmother character to voters more.
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Post by franklin on Apr 5, 2021 12:55:33 GMT
Zhao Shushen walked so Youn could run.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Apr 5, 2021 16:15:03 GMT
Bakalova has now lost at Globes, SAG and AACTA. The two industry awards and the biggest non-industry one so far. She did well with critics and exceeded expectations with overall nominations but has stalled at the winning stage. I think comedy bias is coming into play here. Youn with SAG, a much more traditionally baity role and a much stronger film isn’t going to lose to Bakalova based on how things are going so far. Bakalova needed SAG to have a chance. They skew populist, she by far had the biggest hit, the most buzz and still pull it off. Definitely feels like the end of her road to me.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 5, 2021 16:21:55 GMT
Bakalova has now lost at Globes, SAG and AACTA. The two industry awards and the biggest non-industry one so far. She did well with critics and exceeded expectations with overall nominations but has stalled at the winning stage. I think comedy bias is coming into play here. Youn with SAG, a much more traditionally baity role and a much stronger film isn’t going to lose to Bakalova based on how things are going so far. Bakalova needed SAG to have a chance. They skew populist, she by far had the biggest hit, the most buzz and still pull it off. Definitely feels like the end of her road to me. Good points. Comedy bias should definitely be heavily factored in as a negative for Bakalova. Youn does have the traditional, baity dramatic role that wins more often than not. Not to mention the timely narrative around anti-Asian sentiment, which cannot hurt her cause.
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Post by flasuss on Apr 5, 2021 16:31:18 GMT
I wouldn't write Bakalova off, but Youn has the momentum, and not just because of SAG. As a bonus, would be a good blow to the Globes to see their choice for Supporting Actress not even making the Oscars (or anywhere else), while someone that didn't made there winning in the Academy and SAG.
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Post by filmnoir on Apr 5, 2021 16:32:45 GMT
If Bakalova couldn't even win the Globe, which should have been easy for her, she's done.
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Post by bob-coppola on Apr 6, 2021 1:37:34 GMT
I don't think we should ignore BAFTA winners as a clue. Because of the jury system, which doesn't want to predict the Oscar, the nominees sets look funny. But if you look at the non-jury categories, it's still BAFTA. And it'll be BAFTA members who'll vote for the prizes, and all acting categories still have enough Oscar nominees. So if/when one of Youn, Bakalova, Hopkins, Boseman, Kaluuya, McDormand and Kirby win BAFTA, it's because the whole membership wants to rally behind their prefered winners.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 6, 2021 5:28:18 GMT
looks like it's gonna be Youn, but fingers crossed for a Bakalova or Colman upset.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Apr 7, 2021 6:25:37 GMT
Maria Bakalova
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