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Post by wilcinema on Mar 9, 2021 19:11:48 GMT
I'm very surprised by the backlash to these nominations. For years we complained that all awards shows picked the same nominees and winners and now that was a better system? Yes. "Boring" doesn't mean bad. "Different" doesn't mean good. The Academy is adding tons of new members to add different voices. That's a better process than limiting the voting body to 12 people. Well, "different" means "good" in this case. Rocks is a sensational film and I'm super happy that it got a deserved Best Director nomination, a Best Actress nomination. I'm elated that Shannon Murphy got a Best Director nomination for Babyteeth because she freaking deserved one, and also so so glad that Barry Keoghan got nominated for Calm With Horses. These are all things that wouldn't have happened with the previous system because they didn't have awards hype or whatever you want to call it.
I was so tired of seeing the same stuff nominated over and over as if they were the only things worthy of attention during an entire year. This is much more representative of a year in film, and the way they got to this slate of nominees couldn't interest me less.
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Post by mrimpossible on Mar 9, 2021 19:14:20 GMT
Yes. "Boring" doesn't mean bad. "Different" doesn't mean good. The Academy is adding tons of new members to add different voices. That's a better process than limiting the voting body to 12 people. Well, "different" means "good" in this case. Rocks is a sensational film and I'm super happy that it got a deserved Best Director nomination, a Best Actress nomination. I'm elated that Shannon Murphy got a Best Director nomination for Babyteeth because she freaking deserved one, and also so so glad that Barry Keoghan got nominated for Calm With Horses. These are all things that wouldn't have happened with the previous system because they didn't have awards hype or whatever you want to call it.
I was so tired of seeing the same stuff nominated over and over as if they were the only things worthy of attention during an entire year. This is much more representative of a year in film, and the way they got to this slate of nominees couldn't interest me less.
So you only like the process because the nominees you wanted got selected...
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Post by wilcinema on Mar 9, 2021 19:19:29 GMT
Well, "different" means "good" in this case. Rocks is a sensational film and I'm super happy that it got a deserved Best Director nomination, a Best Actress nomination. I'm elated that Shannon Murphy got a Best Director nomination for Babyteeth because she freaking deserved one, and also so so glad that Barry Keoghan got nominated for Calm With Horses. These are all things that wouldn't have happened with the previous system because they didn't have awards hype or whatever you want to call it.
I was so tired of seeing the same stuff nominated over and over as if they were the only things worthy of attention during an entire year. This is much more representative of a year in film, and the way they got to this slate of nominees couldn't interest me less.
So you only like the process because the nominees you wanted got selected... I don't "want" nominees, I don't take awards shows that seriously. But if they come up with this stuff, then yes, I'm much happier than when they select the same old people and films.
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Post by sirjeremy on Mar 9, 2021 19:25:47 GMT
I think this set of nominees proved that to not be the case. Ok that still doesn't mean that their picks are representative of the BAFTA membership as a whole... And you don't know maybe their groupthink was to push back against the backlash they got last year. Of course it was. I honestly can't imagine *anyone* who's seen a wide variety of films seriously believing that Bukky Bakray and Kosar Ali gave two of the best performances of the year.
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Post by mrimpossible on Mar 9, 2021 19:27:50 GMT
So you only like the process because the nominees you wanted got selected... I don't "want" nominees, I don't take awards shows that seriously. But if they come up with this stuff, then yes, I'm much happier than when they select the same old people and films. Okay so what happens if in one year they don't pick who you want? Then you'll hate the system?
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Post by ibbi on Mar 9, 2021 19:30:02 GMT
Ok that still doesn't mean that their picks are representative of the BAFTA membership as a whole... And you don't know maybe their groupthink was to push back against the backlash they got last year. Of course it was. I honestly can't imagine *anyone* who's seen a wide variety of films seriously believing that Bukky Bakray and Kosar Ali gave two of the best performances of the year. Hey, the main point about starting reform with the awards rather than in the industry itself is so that people of all races can do shitty to mediocre work and get nominated for awards too!
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Post by wilcinema on Mar 9, 2021 19:35:12 GMT
I don't "want" nominees, I don't take awards shows that seriously. But if they come up with this stuff, then yes, I'm much happier than when they select the same old people and films. Okay so what happens if in one year they don't pick who you want? Then you'll hate the system? This is getting tiresome. I don't hate the system because I don't think awards shows are that important. But if they have a good mix of indie and studio productions like BAFTA have this year, I like them better.
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Post by TerryMontana on Mar 9, 2021 19:58:00 GMT
Very bad news for Mulligan and Colman... Didn't see that happening. They made the long list. The actual nominees were chosen by 12 people. This means very little in terms of their Oscar chances. I know. But especially Mulligan was a strong contender for winning the Oscar imo. Her missing the Baftas certainly won't help her chances.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 9, 2021 20:13:57 GMT
I can see why some would take issue with the new system... but since I don't assign that much meaning to awards shows anyway, and my main interest in them just comes from the fun of the prediction process, I'll just say that I approve of the way this keeps things less predictable at least.
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Post by DaleCooper on Mar 9, 2021 20:36:39 GMT
Fun nominees, I guess. The Carey snub is harsh, though.
But yeah, if these nominees in part were chosen by non BAFTA members how can they be BAFTA nominations? It makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 9, 2021 21:20:50 GMT
I've read breakdowns on it but my brain still cannot compute the voting process. Anyway..... very interesting nods. Can't believe they loved PYW and The Mauritanian but no Carey or Jodie, even with six slots....
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 9, 2021 21:23:16 GMT
Okay guys we get it you're not racist, but Mulligan should've been there.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Mar 9, 2021 21:48:25 GMT
Not much to add in relation to what's been said. The Muligan's snub is shocking and overshadows everything else. Being celebrated in America and ignored in your own country isn't a good thing. On the other hand, I wonder if we're underestimating McDormand's chances...
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 9, 2021 21:49:12 GMT
what is this, the British Independent Spirit Awards? all kidding aside, cool picks! Love that they're spreading it around even more than usual, but yeah I agree with Jango I hope no clickbaity narrative emerges that BAFTA is suddenly suuuper diverse without the caveat that the nomination system was hugely different this year. Good or bad is its own discussion, but this was certainly a very unique situation. oh, and Mulligan is fine. BAFTAs aren't a precursor this year. It's fine.
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 9, 2021 22:19:38 GMT
Worth noting that all potential nominees who were previous BAFTA winners were snubbed except the vets in Hopkins and McDormand.
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Post by stephen on Mar 9, 2021 22:23:44 GMT
Worth noting that all potential nominees who were previous BAFTA winners were snubbed except the vets in Hopkins and McDormand. The cream rises to the top.
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Post by DanQuixote on Mar 9, 2021 22:25:27 GMT
Ok that still doesn't mean that their picks are representative of the BAFTA membership as a whole... And you don't know maybe their groupthink was to push back against the backlash they got last year. Of course it was. I honestly can't imagine *anyone* who's seen a wide variety of films seriously believing that Bukky Bakray and Kosar Ali gave two of the best performances of the year. Bakray and Ali are both great!
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Post by stephen on Mar 9, 2021 22:29:06 GMT
AACTA after seeing BAFTA throwing away their industry bellwether title:
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 9, 2021 22:49:18 GMT
A bunch of noms that weren't announced live:
Best Documentary Collective David Attenborough: A Life on Our Planet The Dissident My Octopus Teacher The Social Dilemma
Best Casting Calm with Horses Judas and the Black Messiah Minari Promising Young Woman Rocks
Best Cinematography Sean Bobbitt, Judas and the Black Messiah Erik Messerschmidt, Mank Alwin H. Küchler, The Mauritanian Dariusz Wolski, News of the World Joshua James Richards, Nomadland
Best Costume Design Michael O'Connor, Ammonite Alice Babidge, The Dig Alexandra Byrne, Emma. Ann Roth, Ma Rainey's Black Bottom Trish Summerville, Mank
Best Editing Yorgos Lamprinos, The Father Chloé Zhao, Nomadland Frédéric Thoraval, Promising Young Woman Mikkel E.G. Nielsen, Sound of Metal Alan Baumgarten, The Trial of the Chicago 7
Best Makeup and Hair The Dig Hillbilly Elegy Ma Rainey's Black Bottom Mank Pinocchio
Best Original Score Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross, Mank Emile Mosseri, Minari James Newton Howard, News of the World Anthony Willis, Promising Young Woman Jon Batiste, Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross, Soul
Best Production Design Maria Djurkovic, Tatiana Macdonald, The Dig Peter Francis, Cathy Featherstone, The Father Donald Graham Burt, Jan Pascale, Mank David Crank, Elizabeth Keenan, News of the World Sarah Greenwood, Katie Spencer, Rebecca
Best Sound Greyhound News of the World Nomadland Soul Sound of Metal
Best Special Visual Effects Greyhound The Midnight Sky Mulan The One and Only Ivan Tenet
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Post by speeders on Mar 9, 2021 23:26:35 GMT
I still can't fathom they decided Promising Young Woman was worthy of a best casting nomination but Carey Mulligan was not. What an epic snub. Like this was wild. Who would've thought Mulligan, Davis, Oldman, Cohen, Yeun, Colman, Seyfried, Close, Zengel, Foster would've all missed out? This is just crazy. Biggest pleasant surprises: Mads Mikkelsen and all the Another Round love, Dominique Fishback, Wunmi Mosaku, Alfre Woodard (even though it's more than one year too late ) and Alan S. Kim. Also delighted to see Vanessa Kirby, Daniel Kaluuya, Frances McDormand, Maria Bakalova and Yuh-jung Youn getting their rightfully predicted and deserved noms. This really gave me a kick to see The Mauritanian, Rocks, Calm With Horses and Baby Teeth.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 9, 2021 23:54:52 GMT
Kave Quinn still being snubbed for production design
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 10, 2021 0:01:04 GMT
I still can't fathom they decided Promising Young Woman was worthy of a best casting nomination but Carey Mulligan was not. What an epic snub. It's definitely because of the jury system because the contradiction is obvious. If the whole group had been nominating best actress she would be here and I think she'd still be the frontrunner. I'm guessing the jury members just made the decision that they wanted to highlight unsung heroes. That's why Mulligan is fine.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 10, 2021 0:04:04 GMT
as much people hate Rebecca, I will I'm surprised it hasn't picked up more costume/production design nods (not even from the guilds!) so it's cool seeing Greenwood here.
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Post by stephen on Mar 10, 2021 0:44:35 GMT
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Post by filmnoir on Mar 10, 2021 0:53:37 GMT
I still can't fathom they decided Promising Young Woman was worthy of a best casting nomination but Carey Mulligan was not. What an epic snub. This isn't the first time she's been snubbed. She failed to win the Globe, even though she was the perceived front runner. And PYW went 5-0.
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