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Post by Film Socialism on Apr 6, 2017 1:02:33 GMT
Song to Song, Knight of Cups, and To the Wonder are remotely similar (comparisons are ok th0)
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Post by Film Socialism on Apr 6, 2017 1:32:41 GMT
i think structurally they're way different, thematically they have similarities (ideas of excess here and there) but they're doing completely different things with those themes (StS feels like it condemns them more, KoC empathizes with and tries to find more nuance, etc.) and just the way they're filmed is totally different both in terms of locations (KoC and StS almost feel like their own mini-city symphonies, although they go about this totally different ways too) and in terms of the individual shots themselves. they have similar editing i guess, but that's sort of a frequent trend among malick (esp his late work). i just can't see how people are seeing similar things in these movies - and a LOT of people do because they do it with StS/KoC and the same shit happened with KoC/TtW. it just don't make no damn sense!
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 6, 2017 1:43:06 GMT
i think structurally they're way different, thematically they have similarities (ideas of excess here and there) but they're doing completely different things with those themes (StS feels like it condemns them more, KoC empathizes with and tries to find more nuance, etc.) and just the way they're filmed is totally different both in terms of locations (KoC and StS almost feel like their own mini-city symphonies, although they go about this totally different ways too) and in terms of the individual shots themselves. they have similar editing i guess, but that's sort of a frequent trend among malick (esp his late work). i just can't see how people are seeing similar things in these movies - and a LOT of people do because they do it with StS/KoC and the same shit happened with KoC/TtW. it just don't make no damn sense! The city symphony thing could apply to KOC and STS, but not To the Wonder. That is a huge distinction, yes. To the Wonder is also the more fanciful by far from those 3. That distinction is clear to me. To the Wonder can also be construed as a narrative, but I think the other two probably aren't quite. But I think the similarities are something we see from Malick as early as The New World, he seems to place two people in a relationship, and then through time it gradually fades, then another relationship is later formed, and it's like.... ok so, a bunch of relationships in two tangents of time. So what happens next? I realize that's just life.... but to me they are pretty structurally similar, and can be too boring to overcome, especially since many people can suggest that Malick has become a bit dependent on formula now. I think STS is more of a modern story, while KOC seems a classical tale with a sort of grand biblical entity implied, and I realize they're not 100% similar, but even realizing those differences, is that enough to distinguish them fully against one another?
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Post by no on Apr 6, 2017 11:54:35 GMT
Lol I guess Alix can't come here then
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Post by moonman157 on Apr 6, 2017 12:51:25 GMT
Can we instead ban anyone who tries to suggest that Knight of Cups is good?
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Post by speeders on Apr 6, 2017 13:24:12 GMT
Can we instead ban anyone who tries to suggest that Knight of Cups is good? That I can get behind.
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Post by stephen on Apr 6, 2017 13:34:24 GMT
I've not seen Song to Song, but the other two are definitely similar, but I think that's because they (along with The Tree of Life) are part of a loose autobiographical trilogy delving into similar themes and approach those themes in a complementary fashion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 13:42:36 GMT
thematically they have similarities Banned
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Post by oneflyr on Apr 6, 2017 14:08:04 GMT
Can we instead ban anyone who tries to suggest that Knight of Cups is good? No.
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Post by moonman157 on Apr 6, 2017 14:23:25 GMT
My favourite part of KoC is when Christian Bale watches a stripper as she murmurs her views on the secrets of living. Real profound stuff Terry, I too had written a similar scene in my high school diary.
(I love every Malick movie but I am befuddled by how anyone could like KoC)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 14:49:15 GMT
(I love every Malick movie but I am befuddled by how anyone could like KoC) Do you mean you love every other Malick movie? because this is contradictory
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Post by avnermoriarti on Apr 6, 2017 15:29:26 GMT
To the Sloth and Knight of Sloth are bastly similar
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Post by Pavan on Apr 6, 2017 15:30:42 GMT
I've not seen Song to Song, but the other two are definitely similar, but I think that's because they (along with The Tree of Life) are part of a loose autobiographical trilogy delving into similar themes and approach those themes in a complementary fashion.
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Post by moonman157 on Apr 6, 2017 15:33:52 GMT
(I love every Malick movie but I am befuddled by how anyone could like KoC) Do you mean you love every other Malick movie? because this is contradictory It is so refreshing to log on to the internet and find such useful, relevant, insightful comments that are completely free of pedantry. I thank you sir and I will look forward to future posts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 15:50:25 GMT
Do you mean you love every other Malick movie? because this is contradictory It is so refreshing to log on to the internet and find such useful, relevant, insightful comments that are completely free of pedantry. I thank you sir and I will look forward to future posts. There's nothing wrong with correcting minor details. I'm corrected everyday, it's nothing to complain about. Get over it.
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Post by no on Apr 6, 2017 15:50:34 GMT
Do you mean you love every other Malick movie? because this is contradictory It is so refreshing to log on to the internet and find such useful, relevant, insightful comments that are completely free of pedantry. I thank you sir and I will look forward to future posts. lol I was going to ask you the same thing
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Post by Film Socialism on Apr 6, 2017 16:05:55 GMT
I've not seen Song to Song, but the other two are definitely similar, but I think that's because they (along with The Tree of Life) are part of a loose autobiographical trilogy delving into similar themes and approach those themes in a complementary fashion. how are they any more autobiographical than, say, The Tree of Life? or another one, how are they autobiographical when the lead characters are nothing alike? i understand they might be different elements of malick's identity or w/e but since the dude never comments on anything i think it's reaching to assume that 1, 2, 3, or 0 of the films are autobiographical; we just don't really know. but going off of the leads in all 3 being vastly different, i would doubt that all 3 of them are terry portraying himself.
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Post by Film Socialism on Apr 6, 2017 16:07:08 GMT
To the Sloth and Knight of Sloth are bastly similar how
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Post by moonman157 on Apr 6, 2017 16:21:09 GMT
It is so refreshing to log on to the internet and find such useful, relevant, insightful comments that are completely free of pedantry. I thank you sir and I will look forward to future posts. lol I was going to ask you the same thing I don't know what this means.
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Post by stephen on Apr 6, 2017 17:32:49 GMT
I've not seen Song to Song, but the other two are definitely similar, but I think that's because they (along with The Tree of Life) are part of a loose autobiographical trilogy delving into similar themes and approach those themes in a complementary fashion. how are they any more autobiographical than, say, The Tree of Life? or another one, how are they autobiographical when the lead characters are nothing alike? i understand they might be different elements of malick's identity or w/e but since the dude never comments on anything i think it's reaching to assume that 1, 2, 3, or 0 of the films are autobiographical; we just don't really know. but going off of the leads in all 3 being vastly different, i would doubt that all 3 of them are terry portraying himself. Because they draw from Malick's personal experiences more than his previous four films did. His childhood in Texas, his upbringing and the fallout from his brother's suicide are chronicled in The Tree of Life, the turbulence of his first marriage is parallel with what we see in To the Wonder, and his discontent with the Hollywood scene is portrayed in Knight of Cups. Just because it's not the same man/face in each film doesn't mean that they don't comprise something of a loose trinity.
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Post by Film Socialism on Apr 6, 2017 17:47:09 GMT
how are they any more autobiographical than, say, The Tree of Life? or another one, how are they autobiographical when the lead characters are nothing alike? i understand they might be different elements of malick's identity or w/e but since the dude never comments on anything i think it's reaching to assume that 1, 2, 3, or 0 of the films are autobiographical; we just don't really know. but going off of the leads in all 3 being vastly different, i would doubt that all 3 of them are terry portraying himself. Because they draw from Malick's personal experiences more than his previous four films did. His childhood in Texas, his upbringing and the fallout from his brother's suicide are chronicled in The Tree of Life, the turbulence of his first marriage is parallel with what we see in To the Wonder, and his discontent with the Hollywood scene is portrayed in Knight of Cups. Just because it's not the same man/face in each film doesn't mean that they don't comprise something of a loose trinity. idk man i don't think them being set in the present/around malick's childhood makes em inherently more autobiographic than his other works. i also think the examples given aren't really all that similar necessarily to what went down in his life: TToL portrays 3 brothers and not 2, one dies from a military death rather than suicide, most of the film doesn't focus on this, and his childhood in texas may have had few real similarities to what we're shown (since his stuff about john smith feels as personal as anything in these films it's hard for me to quantify what is and isn't "personal" for malick). similarly in TtW, we don't have any idea how similar the circumstances are (and the location is vastly different), and with KoC he doesn't even live in or near hollywood and that plot more or less stems from Pilgrim's Progress and the hero's journey of all things; like yes there are similarities to his life but i would argue that any auteur is going to have at least some of those elements in any of their films. furthermore, since the characters can't be connected by their own personalities (other than in the malick sense of "they wander around sometimes and feel sad and say pretentious things" which is a staple of most of his characters) i'm not really seeing how the films are similar other than some of their elements overlapping with malick's life events.
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Post by stephen on Apr 6, 2017 18:56:32 GMT
Because they draw from Malick's personal experiences more than his previous four films did. His childhood in Texas, his upbringing and the fallout from his brother's suicide are chronicled in The Tree of Life, the turbulence of his first marriage is parallel with what we see in To the Wonder, and his discontent with the Hollywood scene is portrayed in Knight of Cups. Just because it's not the same man/face in each film doesn't mean that they don't comprise something of a loose trinity. idk man i don't think them being set in the present/around malick's childhood makes em inherently more autobiographic than his other works. i also think the examples given aren't really all that similar necessarily to what went down in his life: TToL portrays 3 brothers and not 2, one dies from a military death rather than suicide, most of the film doesn't focus on this, and his childhood in texas may have had few real similarities to what we're shown (since his stuff about john smith feels as personal as anything in these films it's hard for me to quantify what is and isn't "personal" for malick). similarly in TtW, we don't have any idea how similar the circumstances are (and the location is vastly different), and with KoC he doesn't even live in or near hollywood and that plot more or less stems from Pilgrim's Progress and the hero's journey of all things; like yes there are similarities to his life but i would argue that any auteur is going to have at least some of those elements in any of their films. furthermore, since the characters can't be connected by their own personalities (other than in the malick sense of "they wander around sometimes and feel sad and say pretentious things" which is a staple of most of his characters) i'm not really seeing how the films are similar other than some of their elements overlapping with malick's life events. I dunno about all that. Jack, Neil and Rick all feel like they're in a state of ennui and discontentment, navigating the stormy channels of the stage of life they currently inhabit. I think they are all more or less incarnations of the same basic mentality and viewpoint in life, if not necessarily exactly like each other (although I think Jack and Rick are extremely similar, even down to their familial bonds; I think Brad Pitt and Brian Dennehy are inherently the same character). And from what we know of Malick's personal history, the last three films feel very much drawn from those events and I think his recent prolific nature reflects that; I think they are all part of the same journey through life.
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Post by moonman157 on Apr 6, 2017 23:23:34 GMT
It is so refreshing to log on to the internet and find such useful, relevant, insightful comments that are completely free of pedantry. I thank you sir and I will look forward to future posts. There's nothing wrong with correcting minor details. I'm corrected everyday, it's nothing to complain about. Get over it. Sorry but to anyone who has either a) lost their virginity or b) graduated high school, correcting minor details on the internet looks hilariously pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 0:04:04 GMT
There's nothing wrong with correcting minor details. I'm corrected everyday, it's nothing to complain about. Get over it. Sorry but to anyone who has either a) lost their virginity or b) graduated high school, correcting minor details on the internet looks hilariously pathetic. If it makes you feel any better, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I was just trying to ask a clarifying question. You'll be okay.
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Post by moonman157 on Apr 7, 2017 0:46:18 GMT
Sorry but to anyone who has either a) lost their virginity or b) graduated high school, correcting minor details on the internet looks hilariously pathetic. If it makes you feel any better, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I was just trying to ask a clarifying question. You'll be okay. Looool bro are you seriously a high school student? This has to be one of the saddest, most reductive 4chan responses I have seen on this generally civilized board.
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