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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 20, 2021 1:14:32 GMT
With The Godfather and Sex Pistols being done all that's left for 70s iconography now is The Devil in Miss Jones I guess  ....... Danny Boyle Executive Produces
Pistol will center on Steve Jones, who co-founded the Sex Pistols in the mid-1970s. It will follow his life from West London's council estates to Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren's boutique, Sex — one of the early centers of punk culture in London — and the band's meteoric rise and fall.
Craig Pearce (Moulin Rouge!) created the series and wrote the episodes with Frank Cottrell Boyce (Sometimes Always Never). Pistol comes from FX Productions and Wiip.
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Post by countjohn on Jan 20, 2021 3:19:47 GMT
IDK why the world can't get the Johnny Rotten movie it deserves. Maybe he's too huge of a figure that everyone thinks it's better to have him as a supporting character like in Sid and Nancy. Anyway, even though I usually ignore TV I'll probably watch this as long as the reviews are decent.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jan 20, 2021 13:47:59 GMT
Oh honey, I think a movie on Nancy Spungen, who was a monstrously complicated person (Bi-polar? autistic? obnoxious bitch from hell?) would be fascinating. As loathed and vilified as she was in the press, she was her own person and lived the life she wanted. She was a tough person, who after Sid had left the Pistols, assumed the responsibility of being his manager. The stripping and whoring; the drugs; the domestic violence; and ultimately her tragic death at the Chelsea Hotel. I think she was more than just a groupie.  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 20, 2021 14:31:32 GMT
Oh honey, I think a movie on Nancy Spungen, who was a monstrously complicated person (Bi-polar? autistic? obnoxious bitch from hell?) would be fascinating. As loathed and vilified as she was in the press, she was her own person and lived the life she wanted. She was a tough person, who after Sid had left the Pistols, assumed the responsibility of being his manager. The stripping and whoring; the drugs; the domestic violence; and ultimately her tragic death at the Chelsea Hotel. I think she was more than just a groupie. In the music threads I often make fun of Courtney Love (and Liz Phair!) in comparison to my beloved Kim Shattuck of The Muffs (Love was, to me, a less talented, less likable, more of everything obvious/bad version of Shattuck - who she accused of ripping HER off, GTFO)..... But Love was born to play Nancy Spungen at one time - who she resembled in many ways in her personal/relationships life for a time but was, a more talented, more likable (arguably) version of Nancy ..........she could have done wonders with that part and of course she was a pretty great Althea Flynt in The People Vs. Larry Flynt. Love was much older when she got famous - but between '91- '94 could have done it - and Nancy may have fudged her DoB anyway........I think that casting would have been a little too on the nose for Love to actually have done it but .........there's that documentary Montage of Heck which is almost excruciating to watch Love at her most Nancy-esque at times......   |
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jan 20, 2021 17:08:51 GMT
Oh honey, I think a movie on Nancy Spungen, who was a monstrously complicated person (Bi-polar? autistic? obnoxious bitch from hell?) would be fascinating. As loathed and vilified as she was in the press, she was her own person and lived the life she wanted. She was a tough person, who after Sid had left the Pistols, assumed the responsibility of being his manager. The stripping and whoring; the drugs; the domestic violence; and ultimately her tragic death at the Chelsea Hotel. I think she was more than just a groupie. In the music threads I often make fun of Courtney Love (and Liz Phair!) in comparison to my beloved Kim Shattuck of The Muffs (Love was, to me, a less talented, less likable, more of everything obvious/bad version of Shattuck - who she accused of ripping HER off, GTFO)..... But Love was born to play Nancy Spungen at one time - who she resembled in many ways in her personal/relationships life for a time but was, a more talented, more likable (arguably) version of Nancy ..........she could have done wonders with that part and of course she was a pretty great Althea Flynt in The People Vs. Larry Flynt. Love was much older when she got famous - but between '91- '94 could have done it - and Nancy may have fudged her DoB anyway........I think that casting would have been a little too on the nose for Love to actually have done it but .........there's that documentary Montage of Heck which is almost excruciating to watch Love at her most Nancy-esque at times...... Oh honey, yes and Courtney Love also started out as a stripper and groupie... Wasn't Spungen one of her heroines?
I actually like Courtney Love as an actress as there was a certain raw uninhibited quality to her. Had she had the discipline (and not the drug addiction) I think she could have been a good actress. She was very touching in Beat as Bill Burrough's wife Joan Vollmer getting shot in the head...
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 20, 2021 17:58:30 GMT
In the music threads I often make fun of Courtney Love (and Liz Phair!) in comparison to my beloved Kim Shattuck of The Muffs (Love was, to me, a less talented, less likable, more of everything obvious/bad version of Shattuck - who she accused of ripping HER off, GTFO)..... But Love was born to play Nancy Spungen at one time - who she resembled in many ways in her personal/relationships life for a time but was, a more talented, more likable (arguably) version of Nancy ..........she could have done wonders with that part and of course she was a pretty great Althea Flynt in The People Vs. Larry Flynt. Love was much older when she got famous - but between '91- '94 could have done it - and Nancy may have fudged her DoB anyway........I think that casting would have been a little too on the nose for Love to actually have done it but .........there's that documentary Montage of Heck which is almost excruciating to watch Love at her most Nancy-esque at times...... Oh honey, yes and Courtney Love also started out as a stripper and groupie... Wasn't Spungen one of her heroines?
I actually like Courtney Love as an actress as there was a certain raw uninhibited quality to her. Had she had the discipline (and not the drug addiction) I think she could have been a good actress. She was very touching in Beat as Bill Burrough's wife Joan Vollmer getting shot in the head... Me too and it's from a lifetime of acting in some way in real life too - she has a lot in common in real life with Nancy and like Nancy had to put up with a lot of BS and navigate through all of it..........and used her body/drugs and got used for her body and by drugs too. Just to bring this topic full circle Legend here's Kim Shattuck - who I referenced earlier - making fun of Courtney Love by putting a Love answering machine message to her ON her album ( THAT is some classic pacinoyes/msmoviestar level shade  ) This is 1 minute long and Courtney is in full acting mode here - listen how she emphasizes her phrasing! ...........possibly high as a kite.......... Mattsby who I think is a Shattuck fan like all kind hearted people are, and Archie who may appreciate the shade humor that even goes so far as to labeling the track itself (sarcastically) "Love"  |
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2022 23:21:53 GMT
When there's no future.......how can there be sin?
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Post by Archie on May 3, 2022 23:58:01 GMT
This looks like pathetic sanitized garbage. I'm avoiding this like the plague.
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Post by countjohn on May 29, 2022 17:14:22 GMT
Coming out in two days. Visual style was a bit cleaner than what I might have wanted but we'll see. Laughed at the shot of all the guys staring at who was presumably Vivienne Westwood in the train car.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jun 8, 2022 13:16:37 GMT
Oh honeys, I watched the first episode but it just didn't grab me (I kinda imagined everything to be more dysfunctional & shabby. Wasn't England in a depression at the time?). I'll probably pick it up again at a later date to see what they've done with Nancy... Waiting for pacinoyes verdict on this. I hope he's not disappointed. |
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Post by LaraQ on Jun 8, 2022 13:23:58 GMT
I read Johnny Rotten's autobiography recently,so I was really curious to watch this.The first episode was ok.I'm a bit disappointed that the show will be more focused on Steve Jones rather than Johnny Rotten or Sid Vicious.Toby Wallace was incredible as Steve though,that guy is a star.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 8, 2022 14:03:32 GMT
Oh honeys, I watched the first episode but it just didn't grab me (I kinda imagined everything to be more dysfunctional & shabby. Wasn't England in a depression at the time?). I'll probably pick it up again at a later date to see what they've done with Nancy... Waiting for pacinoyes verdict on this. I hope he's not disappointed. Well, it's not great........I don't mind stories like this though - it is watchable - because it at least helps people who don't know the real story to investigate them on their own and then later they'll learn the many truths and contradictions in their story. The contradictions are crucially missing here - how they existed at all - in spite of not because of Malcolm, Vivienne, themselves even - and many, many more. Their story is closer to a miracle - than what Pistol is. Some of this is revisionism in an unnessary way - with those side characters - Chrissie Hynde - who I love but is not essential to THEIR story - and especially their Art and how it came to be what it was - the song Bodies - which is one of the scariest things in Pop Art - not merely songs - and which gets a mundane treatment by trying to explain the story behind that song (like all scary things, they are scarier when they are random and can not be explained, in any way at all).............. I haven't gotten beyond E3......for now....... The greatest movie about Rock and Roll - in any way - is about them - The Filth and The Fury (2000) - so if people aren't inclined to watch the "recreation of events" in Pistol, you'd learn a lot more - in less time - about one the greatest landmarks in Pop Art whether you like them or not - one that already gave us 4 seismic singles, one timeless album, 1 great fiction film (Sid & Nancy) and The Filth and The Fury.......not sure there's much else to tell that you can't get from that work - I mean they weren't around THAT long  The Filth and The Fury is on Youtube btw: |
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Post by countjohn on Jun 11, 2022 19:56:52 GMT
Well I did end up liking this just because it was fun. Wildly inaccurate in a lot of respects though and way too many classic rock references to bands they would not have cared about. And just PC conversations no one in 1977 was having like sitting down and explaining why they weren't wearing swastikas to be racist. Like, I don't think Lydon at least was a racist (heard some not so good things about Sid in that regard) but the whole point was to deliberately offend people so explaining it would have killed it.
Anyway, the two big assets are the acting and that the visual style ended up being a lot gritter than what I thought from seeing the trailer. In particular the guy that got to be Rotten was perfect and I liked Maisie Williams too, probably my favorite of the supporting cast, didn't even recognize her until I saw her name in the credits. Also really like the end of the 5th and beginning of the last episode. You could feel the shift where it stopped being fun and the real violence starting creeping in with Sid cutting himself on stage
But especially with how good the actor was IDK why the whole thing couldn't have been from Lydon's perspective, showing a bit of his early life, not showing the Pistols until he joined, and then maybe getting a little in to PiL at the end. IDK why in every Sex Pistols thing they always try to give everyone but him credit. Sid was a good for nothing junkie, McLaren was a cheap provocateur, and the other guys were dumb football hooligans and were by all accounts a mediocre hard rock band before Lydon joined. He was the greatest rock singer of all time during that period and wrote the era defining lyrics for Anarchy and God Save the Queen, he was the one who defined it. Someone in the series even comments when they're playing Bodies for the first time "hey this is a really good song" sounding surprised based on their past output. That's what happens when an actual creative person joins the band. The only other person I'd consider essential to the band was Matlock who this of course dunks on. He could shape John's ideas into actual songs and it's pretty telling the Pistols never finished another one after he got fired. He and Lydon could have been the punk Lennon and McCartney in another timeline, like, I'm sure John and George thought Paul was a dweeb most the time but he was a good songwriter so he was important to the band.
But I digress, I still had fun watching this even if the perspective isn't quite right. It's also very funny. Loved a moment when Nancy is going on about how "as an American" she finds the royals "enchanting" and John eventually can't take it anymore and yells "SHUT UP" with perfect delivery. How I feel when I see Americans getting giddy about William and Kate or whatever.
Edit- Another thing is I would have made the first 4 parts or so just part 1, and then covered the material covered in the final two episodes for the rest of it. I think it goes into too much detail about their lives before they "made it" and comparatively rushes through the end when it really starts to get interesting with the God Save the Queen controversy and the tour of America. I suppose it spends a feature length runtime on that stuff but I'd have rather more of the runtime been spent there then on them being a greasy pub band.
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