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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 29, 2020 17:44:56 GMT
I really like this guy, particularly for his work as The Punisher on the Marvel Netflix shows. There is a raw quality about him that is intrinsic and can't be learned, that in many way reminds me of peak Robert DeNiro.
Not sure how expansive his range is, and he doesn't seem to be getting opportunites to carry films, though he carried a TV show pretty easily. But what he's really good at, few actors can do as convincingly. Here he is facing off against Vincent D'onofrio as Kingpin in Daredevil.
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Post by stephen on Dec 29, 2020 17:48:15 GMT
Big fan. He would actually have been my pick for Frank Sheeran if The Irishman had been cast age-appropriately, against Stephen Graham's Hoffa.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 29, 2020 17:51:16 GMT
Big fan. He would actually have been my pick for Frank Sheeran if The Irishman had been cast age-appropriately, against Stephen Graham's Hoffa. Good, good fucking call! Now that's an Irishman movie I could have gotten behind. Bernthal in the DeNiro role would have crushed it, and it also would have made Bernthal a movie star. Makes you regret Scoreses's "old boys network" resort to casting when an opportunity like that is missed.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 29, 2020 18:00:52 GMT
Dec 24, 2020 at 12:59pm Viced said: Over a year since its release and you still have negative plebs shit talking The Irishman. Move on already.
Man had a point, you gotta admit....
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Post by stephen on Dec 29, 2020 18:04:28 GMT
Dec 24, 2020 at 12:59pm Viced said: Over a year since its release and you still have negative plebs shit talking The Irishman. Move on already.Man had a point, you gotta admit.... Hey man, it's fair game to talk about a movie in the context of a perceived castability issue where putting the actor in question in that role might've paid off majorly for him. The Irishman is going to forever be a sticking point with me and y'all will just have to cope with it.
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Post by stephen on Dec 29, 2020 18:06:51 GMT
Back to Bernthal, one role I want to particularly shout out is Wind River. It was a brilliant casting choice because we've seen Sheridan work with Bernthal before and you expect that performance to be a certain way when you see it (especially with preconceived notions of Bernthal as a bruiser), only for him to completely pull the rug out from under you and to actually get you invested in him almost immediately. Dynamite stuff.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 29, 2020 18:11:41 GMT
The role of Punisher suited him fine, so did his role in Mob City.
Other than that, I dunno. He's good, he's in same major stuff in the last decade. But he hasn't become a major star. Something's missing?
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 29, 2020 18:30:33 GMT
The role of Punisher suited him fine, so did his role in Mob City. Other than that, I dunno. He's good, he's in same major stuff in the last decade. But he hasn't become a major star. Something's missing? Yeah, Martin Scorsese not casting him as the lead in The Irishman is what was missing Seriously though, how many new major stars in recent years have been minted? You usually need to be cast in a superhero movie (not TV series like Bernthal) to achieve major stardom these days. Bernthal is not some Tiger Beat, Timothee Chalamet or Ansel Elgort style pretty boy kid that the industry is looking to make a star. He looks like a boxer. The dramatic roles that could have made him a pretty big star in the 70's, 80's and 90's aren't there for him in studio films today. There's a bunch of stuff Tom Hardy has done that I can see him pulling off, but even Hardy's "starpower" has been heavily dependent on sci-fi and superhero IP's ( The Dark Knight Rises, Mad Max: Fury Road, Venom). Nobody goes to see Hardy in those smaller, character driven films of his. I'd rather have seen Bernthal's version of Capone though. Best way for Bernthal to become a major star is probably getting cast as Wolverine when Marvel reboot the X-Men.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 29, 2020 18:40:51 GMT
Consistently one of the most reliable movie character actors of the last ten years and often a dynamite scene-stealer when he shows up in something. His turn as the aptly-named Brad in The Wolf of Wall Street (who sells Quaaludes to local teens while lifting weights in his mom's backyard) is absolutely hilarious stuff.
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Post by stephen on Dec 29, 2020 18:44:07 GMT
Consistently one of the most reliable movie character actors of the last ten years and often a dynamite scene-stealer when he shows up in something. His turn as the aptly-named Brad in The Wolf of Wall Street (who sells Quaaludes to local teens while lifting weights in his mom's backyard) is absolutely hilarious stuff. "Yo, Ma, we got chicken or what? MA!"
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Post by jakesully on Dec 29, 2020 19:07:23 GMT
Back to Bernthal, one role I want to particularly shout out is Wind River. It was a brilliant casting choice because we've seen Sheridan work with Bernthal before and you expect that performance to be a certain way when you see it (especially with preconceived notions of Bernthal as a bruiser), only for him to completely pull the rug out from under you and to actually get you invested in him almost immediately. Dynamite stuff. He owned that role in Wind River. I can't wait to see the trailer for Those Who Wish Me Dead (Taylor Sheridan's follow up to Wind River) I haven't read the book yet but the premise sounds bonkers haha. 1st time I've seen Bernthal in anything was The Walking Dead. I thought he was great in that (season 1 & season 2). Absolutely awesome as the Punisher (like he was born to play that role). I'm definitely a big fan and hope he gets more roles (bigger roles)
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Post by quetee on Dec 29, 2020 19:18:18 GMT
Still waiting for him to breakout. Not sure what the issue is though.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 29, 2020 19:45:31 GMT
Still waiting for him to breakout. Not sure what the issue is though. Like I said, there's no reason why he shouldn't have Tom Hardy' s career.
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Post by flasuss on Dec 29, 2020 19:55:40 GMT
The guy was (is?) The Punisher and was a big character in The Walking Dead, he already "broke out".
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 29, 2020 20:04:20 GMT
The guy was (is?) The Punisher and was a big character in The Walking Dead, he already "broke out". He's a successful actor obviously, but I think when people say "break out", they are expecting him to be an A-list star, that can command major lead film roles . He's definitely not there yet. Netflix cancelling all their Marvel shows and only giving him two seasons of Punisher probably hurt his trajectory in terms of getting to A-list level. 4 or 5 good seasons of that show, he'd probably be in more demand for major lead film roles. In movies, he's still basically a character actor. When he should be a leading man.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 29, 2020 20:10:49 GMT
The role of Punisher suited him fine, so did his role in Mob City. Other than that, I dunno. He's good, he's in same major stuff in the last decade. But he hasn't become a major star. Something's missing? Yeah, Martin Scorsese not casting him as the lead in The Irishman is what was missing Seriously though, how many new major stars in recent years have been minted? You usually need to be cast in a superhero movie (not TV series like Bernthal) to achieve major stardom these days. Bernthal is not some Tiger Beat, Timothee Chalamet or Ansel Elgort style pretty boy kid that the industry is looking to make a star. He looks like a boxer. The dramatic roles that could have made him a pretty big star in the 70's, 80's and 90's aren't there for him in studio films today. There's a bunch of stuff Tom Hardy has done that I can see him pulling off, but even Hardy's "starpower" has been heavily dependent on sci-fi and superhero IP's ( The Dark Knight Rises, Mad Max: Fury Road, Venom). Nobody goes to see Hardy in those smaller, character driven films of his. I'd rather have seen Bernthal's version of Capone though. Best way for Bernthal to become a major star is probably getting cast as Wolverine when Marvel reboot the X-Men.I'd rather see no version of this Capone at all.... Truth is, if most younger actors these days don't get cast in a major superhero movie, it gets difficult for them to break out. And that's a very unfortunate truth... That Wolverine casting isn't a bad idea at all, actually. Or else, someone will have to persuade Scorsese to give him a major role soon.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 29, 2020 21:19:03 GMT
Consistently one of the most reliable movie character actors of the last ten years and often a dynamite scene-stealer when he shows up in something. His turn as the aptly-named Brad in The Wolf of Wall Street (who sells Quaaludes to local teens while lifting weights in his mom's backyard) is absolutely hilarious stuff. "Yo, Ma, we got chicken or what? MA!" “Oh my gosh..the Emperor of Fucksville..came down from Fucksville to give me a pass”
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Post by Pasquale on Dec 29, 2020 21:55:56 GMT
Back to Bernthal, one role I want to particularly shout out is Wind River. It was a brilliant casting choice because we've seen Sheridan work with Bernthal before and you expect that performance to be a certain way when you see it (especially with preconceived notions of Bernthal as a bruiser), only for him to completely pull the rug out from under you and to actually get you invested in him almost immediately. Dynamite stuff. Yeah, he was scene stealer in Sicario. paul dano style lol.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 29, 2020 23:12:36 GMT
Big fan. I remember when it felt like he was in a new movie every other week, and I didn't mind it all. Dude has an incredibly imposing figure that makes him perfect for tough guys, and he was great as The Punisher. I also loved him in Wind River, and Baby Driver. Not sure he'll ever have a proper "breakout", but at one point it felt like he was going to be an elite of Hollywood "HEY THAT GUYS!"
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 29, 2020 23:41:17 GMT
First was introduced to Jon Bernthal as Shane on The Walking Dead. Carved out a niche for himself as tough guys. Could be a Lee Marvin type..hope he's allowed to branch out to other types of roles. Don't know if he'll ever be an "A-Lister" like pupdurcs said..these days you need your own comic book franchise for that..they're not making the mid-budget dranas/action mainstream films much these days unless an established A-List veteran is attached. He could definitely excel in the Denzel/Neeson/Keanu action type roles. Him and Frank Grillo seem like they're in the same wheelhouse.
Another scene I like from The Punisher is his conversation with Turk Barrett baby (played brilliantly by newly minted NYT 25 Greatest Actor Rob Morgan).
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 30, 2020 0:48:00 GMT
First was introduced to Jon Bernthal as Shane on The Walking Dead. Carved out a niche for himself as tough guys. Could be a Lee Marvin type..hope he's allowed to branch out to other types of roles. Don't know if he'll ever be an "A-Lister" like pupdurcs said..these days you need your own comic book franchise for that..they're not making the mid-budget dranas/action mainstream films much these days unless an established A-List veteran is attached. He could definitely excel in the Denzel/Neeson/Keanu action type roles. Him and Frank Grillo seem like they're in the same wheelhouse. Another scene I like from The Punisher is his conversation with Turk Barrett baby (played brilliantly by newly minted NYT 25 Greatest Actor Rob Morgan). I see the Frank Grillo comparison, as both come across as authentic working class tough guys. But Grillo to me comes of a lot more facile and surface level (emotionally) than Bernthal, who seems capable of a lot more dramatic depth. They could both be strong action stars, but Bernthal has the chops that can win acting awards if utilised correctly. Also...can never have enough Turk Barrett, baby!
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 30, 2020 1:44:08 GMT
First was introduced to Jon Bernthal as Shane on The Walking Dead. Carved out a niche for himself as tough guys. Could be a Lee Marvin type..hope he's allowed to branch out to other types of roles. Don't know if he'll ever be an "A-Lister" like pupdurcs said..these days you need your own comic book franchise for that..they're not making the mid-budget dranas/action mainstream films much these days unless an established A-List veteran is attached. He could definitely excel in the Denzel/Neeson/Keanu action type roles. Him and Frank Grillo seem like they're in the same wheelhouse. Another scene I like from The Punisher is his conversation with Turk Barrett baby (played brilliantly by newly minted NYT 25 Greatest Actor Rob Morgan). I see the Frank Grillo comparison, as both come across as authentic working class tough guys. But Grillo to me comes of a lot more facile and surface level (emotionally) than Bernthal, who seems capable of a lot more dramatic depth. They could both be strong action stars, but Bernthal has the chops that can win acting awards if utilised correctly. Also...can never have enough Turk Barrett, baby! Oh yeah..Bernthal shows more emotional and dramatic depth than Grillo. Comparison comes from them being drawn to (or only offered) these working class tough guy roles where it looks they’ve been through a lot of shit. Could I see Bernthal play a intellectual/professorial type? Of course..considering his background (father was a lawyer at a big DC law firm)...hope he’s able to branch out..he’s 44 so this is his prime right now. And yeah everybody loves Turk!
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 30, 2020 1:58:45 GMT
I see the Frank Grillo comparison, as both come across as authentic working class tough guys. But Grillo to me comes of a lot more facile and surface level (emotionally) than Bernthal, who seems capable of a lot more dramatic depth. They could both be strong action stars, but Bernthal has the chops that can win acting awards if utilised correctly. Also...can never have enough Turk Barrett, baby! Oh yeah..Bernthal shows more emotional and dramatic depth than Grillo. Comparison comes from them being drawn to (or only offered) these working class tough guy roles where it looks they’ve been through a lot of shit. Could I see Bernthal play a intellectual/professorial type? Of course..considering his background (father was a lawyer at a big DC law firm)...hope he’s able to branch out..he’s 44 so this is his prime right now. And yeah everybody loves Turk! Grillo isn't bad, and he clearly has good trained fighting skills, but he's more stiff as an actual actor when compared to Bernthal. Also I was genuinely shocked when I learned Bernthal was 44. He only really broke out in the past decade, thus making him a bit of a late bloomer to the film scene.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 30, 2020 2:59:09 GMT
Still waiting for him to breakout. Not sure what the issue is though. Like I said, there's no reason why he shouldn't have Tom Hardy' s career. Is his career worse than Tom Hardy's? Take away Hardy's coattail Oscar nom, and I don't really see it. Bernthal has been an important part of very popular shows (Shane on TWD and Punisher are better than Solomon on Peaky, much as I love Peaky and Cillian in particular), and has some decent film credits. Hardy is constantly in crap.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 30, 2020 3:24:00 GMT
Like I said, there's no reason why he shouldn't have Tom Hardy' s career. Is his career worse than Tom Hardy's? Take away Hardy's coattail Oscar nom, and I don't really see it. Bernthal has been an important part of very popular shows (Shane on TWD and Punisher are better than Solomon on Peaky, much as I love Peaky and Cillian in particular), and has some decent film credits. Hardy is constantly in crap. Hardy is a franchise leading man for a major comic book property ( Venom, which made a lot of money for Sony, is getting a sequel that has already been shot and will probably see Hardy get into the Marvel Films at some point in the Spider-Man movies). He is also still officially attached to the Mad Max: Fury Road sequel. But even if that never happens, Venom alone gives Hardy the kind of industry juice and starpower that Bernthal has nothing close to. No one is saying Bernthal hasn't been in good stuff, but he is not a star at the level of Hardy, and it prevents him from even getting lead roles in films. Why on earth is someone who can carry a project like Bernthal still only playing support to the likes of Ben Affleck in things like The Accountant. Even a lead role in a solidly made indie like Hardy had with Warrior would be good for his perception that he can be a film leading man. Bernthal is literally getting no leading roles on film. But then again, none of the Marvel Netflix leads are (and I thought Charlie Cox and Krysten Ritter in particular were terrific). Maybe many of Hardy's choices are questionable, but because he has more starpower, he's still getting those opportunities to carry film projects that Bernthal isn't. I'm not even saying Hardy has some amazing career at the moment, but the opportunities available to him are on a different level to the ones available to Bernthal.
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