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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 14, 2023 14:41:35 GMT
I find it amusing that both of these Zelstans act like they don't "know" Denzel Washington's filmography is frequently mocked in the real world...... * Denzel Washington is not in the IMDB top 250 (or Leterboxd) and never was by the IMDB revised rankings actually you are remembering quite wrongly * He was not on the TSPDT critics list prior to 2022 - Malcolm X was added then, yes @ 808 - his only entry at 50+ films - TWBB was 150 off of ~ 20 films - quite a difference, no? - we were discussing TWBB iirc originally * The Empire article actually article called him "one of the best living American actors" actually and Zelstans misrepresent it ........ * His filmography was just mocked by Armond White 2 weeks ago and you ignore it....... * His filmography is weak sauce ..........and you blame pacinoyes? I like him - and I've seen him act more than you - but it is perfectly reasonable to say his filmography is weak, and to post it here...........so........ too bad........ In E3, he plays a man whose thought processes are prelude to devastation, and we all know that this is a consequence of America’s exacerbated racial awareness — the thing that makes a lot of people overrate facile, charismatic Washington as a great actor.Would a truly great actor have to succumb to kick-ass yahoo entertainments? Despite Washington’s singular matinee-idol stature, he’s rarely romantic, though he’s often a two-fisted sexual threat. Armond White - National Review - September 1, 2023
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2023 15:11:50 GMT
Nobody's given a shit about anything Armomd White has to say since his contrarian trolling-for-attention days in the mid to late 2000's and since he got kicked out of the New York Film Critics Circle for heckling Steve McQueen nearly a decade ago . Even a lot of his fellow critics think the man is an idiot and a troll. It's actually a blast from the past to hear his name. Didn't think anyone still read him or took him seriously . You never said he wasn't on TSPDT prior to 2022. You just said he wasn't on it, full stop. You got caught in a falsehood, accidental or not. Just own it and move on. No need to try and squirm out of every screw-up you make. The Empire Article clearly states in it's first sentence about Washington that, " Carrying around the label of America's greatest living actor must be quite a tricky thing to have to do".
That is a pretty unequivocal, unambiguous statement that they are calling him America's greatest living actor. That they also say later in the article about him, " how it feels to be one of America's greatest living actors" does not in any way negate the first statement, which was in the singular. In the "real world", Denzel's filmography is pretty beloved. Or did you just miss the a UK channel ( Film 4) doing a whole Denzel Washington season this month, before they even got round to doing one for their own GOAT contenders ( Hopkins, DDL etc). And this is in the land that has never even nominated him for a BAFTA Anyway, whatever helps you sleep at night!
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 14, 2023 15:12:22 GMT
That's a desperate attempt to save your a$$, your facts were wrong, you were wrong, don't try to cool it now with "now yes, it was added in 2022"...Your post was in September 2023. And now using Armond White... It's getting truly pathetic but not that I expected more... And no, I was right, Glory was in the IMDB TOP 250 : 250.took.nl/title/tt0097441
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 14, 2023 15:23:25 GMT
That's a desperate attempt to save your a$$, your facts were wrong, you were wrong, don't try to cool it now with "now yes, it was added in 2022"... Your post was in September 2023. And now using Armond White... It's getting truly pathetic but not that I expected more... And no, I was right, Glory was in the IMDB TOP 250 : 250.took.nl/title/tt0097441Ah so it enters and re-enters every time the rating system changes - how convenient that is - maybe you guys are right and shouln't trust IMB, huh?- but the point remains the same anyway : Current Rank: −
Armond White's review of Equalizer 3 - from September 2023:.......I'm not using him -I'm quoting him .........
www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/the-equalizer-or-the-equity-izer/
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 14, 2023 15:40:07 GMT
That's a desperate attempt to save your a$$, your facts were wrong, you were wrong, don't try to cool it now with "now yes, it was added in 2022"... Your post was in September 2023. And now using Armond White... It's getting truly pathetic but not that I expected more... And no, I was right, Glory was in the IMDB TOP 250 : 250.took.nl/title/tt0097441Ah so it enters and re-enters every time the rating system changes - how convenient that is - maybe you guys are right and shouln't trust IMB, huh?- but the point remains the same anyway : Current Rank: −
Armond White's review of Equalizer 3 - from September 2023:.......I'm not using him -I'm quoting him .........
www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/the-equalizer-or-the-equity-izer/
No your point "(ever)" was that he never had, at any point, a movie in the IMDB Top 250 so it's not the same and you were wrong because Glory was at some point (for more than a decade) in the Top 250. Admitting that we were wrong can be extremely hard for some people. Anyway, I'm done.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2023 15:57:12 GMT
Ah so it enters and re-enters every time the rating system changes - how convenient that is - maybe you guys are right and shouln't trust IMB, huh?- but the point remains the same anyway : Current Rank: −
Armond White's review of Equalizer 3 - from September 2023:.......I'm not using him -I'm quoting him .........
www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/the-equalizer-or-the-equity-izer/
No your point "(ever)" was that he never had, at any point, a movie in the IMDB Top 250 so it's not the same and you were wrong because Glory was at some point (for more than a decade) in the Top 250. Admitting that we were wrong can be extremely hard for some people. Anyway, I'm done. A whole meltdown just because of this statement in a magazine article: " Carrying around the label of being America's Greatest Living Actor must be quite a tricky thing to have to do"
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 14, 2023 16:15:41 GMT
Empire actually called him "ONE of the greatest" ........... "one of" not "the""Carrying around the label of being America's Greatest Living Actor must be quite a tricky thing to have to do"................and want to know you, what makes you tick, how it feels to be one of America’s greatest living actors Denzel WashingtonLink: www.empireonline.com/movies/features/best-denzel-washington-movies/
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 14, 2023 16:16:02 GMT
"Glory was at some point (for more than a decade) in the Top 250."
You have no way to know that either - afaik (do you?) - just the first known date and last known date - you have no idea whether that was a continuous run at all....what you do know is that it is not on the list now nor are any of his films, nor are any on the Letterboxd 250, nor are any on any years Sight and Sound list, or the AFI list ........nor are any besides #808 on the TSPDT - which I forgot because it's not worth remembering is it?
If you (two) weren't so anxious to play "gotcha pacinoyes" we could have talked about WHY that is (hint: it's his filmography) - but, you were done before you started really anyway..........
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2023 16:34:37 GMT
Empire actually called him "ONE of the greatest" ........... "one of" not "the""Carrying around the label of being America's Greatest Living Actor must be quite a tricky thing to have to do"................and want to know you, what makes you tick, how it feels to be one of America’s greatest living actors Denzel WashingtonLink: www.empireonline.com/movies/features/best-denzel-washington-movies/Is this some sort of bizarre coping mechanism Like, if you pretend enough, you can act like Empire never said it What part are you failing to understand that the 2nd statement later in the article does not negate the 1st statement in the very first sentence of the article: 1st statement:"Carrying around the label of being America's Greatest Living Actor must be quite a tricky thing to have to do"This is a singular statement acknowledging that they consider or believe Washington is regarded as the greatest living American actor. As in by himself. As in above Pacino, DeNiro, Nicholson, Hoffman or whomever else you think they should have said it about instead. 2nd statement
" But people watch you and your acting and want to know what makes you tick, how it feels to be one of America's greatest living actors"This is a plural statement, acknowledging that there are other great living American actors. But that does not change that they have already acknowledged him in the singular as the greatest living American actor earlier in the article. There is no contradiction. Both statements can be true at the same time. He can be considered America's Greatest Living Actor (singular), and also be among America's greatest living actors (plural). Bizzare thing to refuse to acknowledge, but do you! www.empireonline.com/movies/features/best-denzel-washington-movies/
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Sept 14, 2023 16:36:47 GMT
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 14, 2023 17:05:38 GMT
"Glory was at some point ( for more than a decade) in the Top 250." You have no way to know that either - afaik (do you?) - just the first known date and last known date - you have no idea whether that was a continuous run at all....what you do know is that it is not on the list now nor are any of his films, nor are any on the Letterboxd 250, nor are any on any years Sight and Sound list, or the AFI list ........nor are any besides #808 on the TSPDT - which I forgot because it's not worth remembering is it? If you (two) weren't so anxious to play "gotcha pacinoyes" we could have talked about WHY that is (hint: it's his filmography) - but, you were done before you started really anyway.......... You are right, I misread the graphic, we have no idea whether that was a continuous run at all, I made a mistake. See, easy. As for the rest, you simply can't accept/admit that you were wrong and now we even get "I forgot because it's not worth remembering", digging more and more into the pathetic. And the "we could have talked", we are not in 2018 anymore, there is no Denzel talk with the obssessed, deeply insecure loser that you are, I just pointed the false 'facts' that you were so proudly showing in bold.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 14, 2023 17:06:07 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 14, 2023 17:45:09 GMT
Oh I admitted Imade a mistake but it is relatively more important to me that I illustrated that you guys exaggerated what Empire Magazine said (singular? plural? GTFO, it says "one OF", end of).......and that his filmography is weak sauce which you said yourself ......... which was my original point anyway 8 hours ago - you were just being a little bitch - shrug: fiosnasiob - TODAY -"I don't think Denzel has been in a masterpiece or a capital G great film........That's what I say all the time jackass "The GREATEST actors are in the greatest movies etc......you AGREE with me....... so STFU Also I say this with all due respect to mike - who I (generally) love - and who, um, you know could ban me if he wanted to - but.......I'll treat him like I would anybody else in this case - double middle finger right at ya pal ... I've enjoyed my time here thank you!
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 14, 2023 17:52:23 GMT
Oh I admitted Imade a mistake but it is relatively more important to me that I illustrated that you guys exaggerated what Empire Magazine said (singular? plural? GTFO, it says "one OF", end of).......and that his filmography is weak sauce which you said yourself ......... which was my original point anyway 8 hours ago - you were just being a little bitch - shrug: fiosnasiob - TODAY -"I don't think Denzel has been in a masterpiece or a capital G great film........That's what I say all the time jackass "The GREATEST actors are in the greatest movies etc......you AGREE with me so STFU Put your glasses on old man because I have never say it, it was futuretrunks.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 14, 2023 17:58:00 GMT
Oh I admitted Imade a mistake but it is relatively more important to me that I illustrated that you guys exaggerated what Empire Magazine said (singular? plural? GTFO, it says "one OF", end of).......and that his filmography is weak sauce which you said yourself ......... which was my original point anyway 8 hours ago - you were just being a little bitch - shrug: fiosnasiob - TODAY -"I don't think Denzel has been in a masterpiece or a capital G great film........That's what I say all the time jackass "The GREATEST actors are in the greatest movies etc......you AGREE with me so STFU Put your glasses on old man because I have never say it, it was futuretrunks. Sorry I made a mistake here too - I assumed you had better taste but nope, you don't .......ah well, you do you
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2023 18:04:55 GMT
Goddamn, the meltdown when Gladiator 2 hits will be spectacular
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Post by SeanJoyce on Sept 14, 2023 18:33:37 GMT
Goddamn, the meltdown when Gladiator 2 hits will be spectacular Ridley Scott doesn't have a strong track record returning to original properties; see: Hannibal, Prometheus. I think it'd be unwise to hold out much hope for this being good.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 14, 2023 18:41:10 GMT
"Goddamn, the meltdown when Gladiator 2 hits will be spectacular"
Really? Do you think it will match yours in 2007/2008 and I will go on 500 message board using 500 aliases like you did you therapy case - all because Denzel didn't get a nod for AG - and DDL won his 2nd Oscar because that was a pretty epic breakdown loser
How about your Casey Affleck one?
.............also TToM made my top 10 so STFU ..........when I like him .........I like him just fine .......
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2023 18:51:33 GMT
Goddamn, the meltdown when Gladiator 2 hits will be spectacular Ridley Scott doesn't have a strong track record returning to original properties; see: Hannibal, Prometheus. I think it'd be unwise to hold out much hope of this being good. After The Last Duel, which I thought was brilliant (and deserved Best Picture recognition. Shame it tanked box office wise), I'm back on board the train that Ridley Scott is once again the guy to do justice to historical epics. The trailers for Napoleon ( which look terrific) are not dampening my enthusiasm for that take. Scott is hit and miss, but when he hits, he's still one of the best directors on the planet. So I'm a lot more enthused about it's potential than when his last historical epic was Exodus: Gods And Kings. Then I'd be concerned. I'm not concerned about Scott's history with returning to original properties. It's about the genre for me, and he looks to be firing on all cylinders in the genre once again. Whatever the outcome, it's a "prestige" project (which means inevitable awards season predictions) with Denzel doing some olde world, cod-Shakespearean acting in a toga or whatever. That's catnip to Oscar voters, who are always on full alert when Denzel does "prestige". The movie might not even be good (hopefully it'll be great), but there's a more than solid chance he'll be up for another Oscar nod regardless. Hence... meltdown.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2023 18:53:51 GMT
"Goddamn, the meltdown when Gladiator 2 hits will be spectacular" Really? Do you think it will match yours in 2007/2008 and I will go on 500 message board using 500 aliases like you did you therapy case - all because Denzel didn't get a nod for AG - and DDL won his 2nd Oscar because that was a pretty epic breakdown loser How about your Casey Affleck one? .............also TToM made my top 10 so STFU ..........when I like him .........I like him just fine .......
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Post by quetee on Sept 14, 2023 23:28:36 GMT
Not sure why this keeps coming up.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 15, 2023 16:18:04 GMT
Not sure why this keeps coming up. In the last 3 years: New York Times: Greatest Actor Of The 21st CenturyEmpire Magazine: Carries the label of " America's Greatest Living Actor".Tom Hanks: " He's our Brando. Nicholson. Olivier".Jared Leto: " Denzel Washington to me is my Brando, Pacino, DeNiro rolled up into one"Jonathan Majors: Denzel is the GOATMichael B Jordan: Denzel Washington is the GOAT. Fight me.Austin Butler: Denzel is the Godfather of acting.Jamie Foxx: We always talk about who the Greatest Actor Of all time is and I believe it is Denzel Washington And this is just off the top of my head. Denzel has been building such a strong consensus in recent years to being the so-called " GOAT" among his peers, media and in the public, that I suppose you need something to try and counter that ascension if you aren't of that opinion. But I predicted this was going to happen well over 16 years ago on IMDB (and many thought I was nuts to think it possible), so I'm just enjoying the ride for what it is
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Post by stephen on Sept 15, 2023 16:33:43 GMT
Ridley Scott doesn't have a strong track record returning to original properties; see: Hannibal, Prometheus. I think it'd be unwise to hold out much hope of this being good. After The Last Duel, which I thought was brilliant (and deserved Best Picture recognition. Shame it tanked box office wise), I'm back on board the train that Ridley Scott is once again the guy to do justice to historical epics. The trailers for Napoleon ( which look terrific) are not dampening my enthusiasm for that take. Scott is hit and miss, but when he hits, he's still one of the best directors on the planet. So I'm a lot more enthused about it's potential than when his last historical epic was Exodus: Gods And Kings. Then I'd be concerned. I'm not concerned about Scott's history with returning to original properties. It's about the genre for me, and he looks to be firing on all cylinders in the genre once again. Whatever the outcome, it's a "prestige" project (which means inevitable awards season predictions) with Denzel doing some olde world, cod-Shakespearean acting in a toga or whatever. That's catnip to Oscar voters, who are always on full alert when Denzel does "prestige". The movie might not even be good (hopefully it'll be great), but there's a more than solid chance he'll be up for another Oscar nod regardless. Hence... meltdown.I will add that I feel like Prometheus gets a bad rap, and the issues I have with it aren't really chalked up to Ridley Scott's direction. The man still understands scope and wonder in ways very few others do, but the script has to be at least somewhat ironclad. Prometheus had a fantastic concept but they tried too hard to shoehorn Alien connections in it, and the characters' motivations and actions were pretty clumsy, and obviously the idea of having Guy Pearce play an ancient character like that is pretty funny considering Max von Sydow was courted as the original choice. But even still, I found it an entertaining experience with some provoking ideas. That said, I am decidedly less kind on Alien: Covenant, which I felt squandered so much potential for continuing the David story in favour of emphasizing the Alien again. And I do criticize Scott for that, because Prometheus is inherently the story of a manmade creation (an android) gaining sentience and realizing his creator is flawed and fallible, and he decides to become a god and creator himself. Hence we created God, in our own image. We didn't need the Xenomorph in that story. The "Engineers" should have been the only connection to that franchise. I think Scott knew that when he made Prometheus but largely abandoned it in Covenant, which really is a shame. I feel like Gladiator 2 could really go either way. I have no doubt that it will be a sumptuous visual feast, because again, Scott knows spectacle. And he's got a great cadre of actors to show up. But remember that the first film's script wasn't even finished when they began filming, and they managed to salvage it into a Best Picture winner. That's a miracle in itself. I would hope that they learned from the first one and have a watertight screenplay at the ready. As for Washington's involvement, the very fact that he's in a movie like this and in what is likely a featured supporting role (comparable to Oliver Reed or Richard Harris in the first one?) for the first time in three decades is enough to draw potential awards attention. It kind of makes me think of when Olivier did Marathon Man and got nominated in Supporting Actor after decades of being a firm leading man. It didn't diminish his starpower, but at that stage in his career the leading roles were starting to dry up.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 15, 2023 16:40:50 GMT
The difference is these are all ^ selected by a very limited pool (1 or 2 people maybe) as opposed to an aggregate of the big ones where he misses entirely: AFI, TSPDT (1 film @808 in 2022), Sight and Sound, IMDB fans, Letterboxd fans.......like I said he's the only great actor who misses all these....he didn't have a BP nominee as a star until he was 63.......that doesn't mean he will never be on AFI or Sight and Sound but people talk about his weak filmography for a great actor a lot in the real world.......that is "why" it keeps coming up........it's discussed in the real world - we've had examples recently discussing it from the real world...........much like it is with Jessica Lange too - a great actress also but with almost no BP nominees.......
It depends what you value in an actor - you either think you don't care about the film or you think if the actor was THAT great then he'd make his films great too like all the other great actors.......it's depends what matters to you.....
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 15, 2023 16:51:01 GMT
The difference is these are all ^ selected by a very limited pool (1 or 2 people maybe) as opposed to an aggregate of the big ones where he misses entirely: AFI, TSPDT (1 film @808 in 2022), Sight and Sound, IMDB fans, Letterboxd fans.......like I said he's the only great actor who misses all these....he didn't have a BP nominee as a star until he was 63.......that doesn't mean he will never be on AFI or Sight and Sound but people talk about his weak filmography for a great actor a lot in the real world.......that is "why" it keeps coming up........it's discussed in the real world - we've had examples recently discussing it from the real world...........much like it is with Jessica Lange too - a great actress also but with almost no BP nominees....... It depends what you value in an actor - you either think you don't care about the film or you think if the actor was THAT great then he'd make his films great too like all the other great actors.......it's depends what matters to you..... The fact that you are even still mentioning TSPTD as an omission Is embarrassing. It doesn't matter whether he was on it 15 years ago or in 2022. He's on it. You are a hater of Washington. An incredibly determined one to boot! Every single person on this board knows it. So why do we have to keep pretending that you are you are some sort of objective observer . No one believes you are. Even a mod (who have never been the biggest fans of the DenzelFam) publicly embarrassed you and said you were "owned". You got no shame, so you'll keep doing this till you drop dead. But just keeping it real bruh....this is a lost cause for you, and it ain't a good look.
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