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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 12, 2023 22:26:12 GMT
New article from the UK's Empire Magazine , which says Denzel carries the label of being "America's Greatest Living Actor" and lists what they consider to be his 10 Best Films.
1 Training Day 2 Crimson Tide 3 Malcolm X 4 Man On Fire 5 Inside Man 6 He Got Game 7 Glory 8 Devil In A Blue Dress 9 American Gangster 10 Fences
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 12, 2023 23:12:21 GMT
Thoughts on Empire's list:
Not bad at all. Speaks to the strength of Denzel's filmography that you can leave off things like The Tragedy Of Macbeth and still have a strong top 10.
* Man On Fire's rise in esteem is something to behold. It consistently features on lists for both his best performances and best films. Hard to believe it got 39% on Rotten Tomatoes.
* Great to see Spike Lee have a dominant showing with 3 great entries (Malcolm X, Inside Man and He Got Game)
* Also glad to see Crimson Tide get the respect it deserves as one of Tony Scott's best films.
* American Gangster's reputation has grown a lot over the years. Good to see. I think it's staked it's own unique place in the pantheon of great gangster films. I don't really think it's that similar to Heat either, aside from the conceit of keeping the criminal and the cop apart for most of the films runtime. It's got the DNA in it of films like New Jack City, The French Connection, The Godfather and Prince Of The City, but stands apart as it's own thing.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Sept 13, 2023 11:36:29 GMT
New article from the UK's Empire Magazine , which says Denzel carries the label of being "America's Greatest Living Actor" and lists what they consider to be his 10 Best Films.
1 Training Day 2 Crimson Tide 3 Malcolm X 4 Man On Fire 5 Inside Man 6 He Got Game 7 Glory 8 Devil In A Blue Dress 9 American Gangster 10 Fences
Good list. You see the usual suspects on there, Malcolm X, Training Day, Inside Man, etc. You expect to see most of his work with Lee and the two movies he won Oscars for (Glory, Training Day). Man on Fire has grown so much in esteem that it’s hardly a surprise for me to see it in a top 10 performance/film for Denzel from these film sites. It’s kind of incredible how a film that was dismissed by critics as an over the top, violent Tony Scott action film has not only not faded into obscurity but grown in stature so much that it’s an essential viewing film in Washington’s catalogue. Not surprised to see AG in there as well, that film has grown as well. Would have changed some of the ordering but great to see Empire acknowledge Denzel as “America’s Greatest Living Actor”…which he is. If they’re labeling him ans that, it does give credence to your suspicions that he was ranked very highly in that greatest actors of all time poll..maybe even at the top. Also cool to see them give his theater background/career some shine as well.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Sept 13, 2023 11:40:33 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 13, 2023 11:57:35 GMT
New article from the UK's Empire Magazine , which says Denzel carries the label of being "America's Greatest Living Actor" and lists what they consider to be his 10 Best Films.
1 Training Day 2 Crimson Tide 3 Malcolm X 4 Man On Fire 5 Inside Man 6 He Got Game 7 Glory 8 Devil In A Blue Dress 9 American Gangster 10 Fences
Good list. You see the usual suspects on there, Malcolm X, Training Day, Inside Man, etc. You expect to see most of his work with Lee and the two movies he won Oscars for (Glory, Training Day). Man on Fire has grown so much in esteem that it’s hardly a surprise for me to see it in a top 10 performance/film for Denzel from these film sites. It’s kind of incredible how a film that was dismissed by critics as an over the top, violent Tony Scott action film has not only faded into obscurity but grown in stature so much that it’s an essential viewing film in Washington’s catalogue. Not surprised to see AG in there as well, that film has grown as well. Would have changed some of the ordering but great to see Empire acknowledge Denzel as “America’s Greatest Living Actor”…which he is. If they’re labeling him ans that, it does give credence to your suspicions that he was ranked very highly in that greatest actors of all time poll..maybe even at the top. Also cool to see them give his theater background/career some shine as well. Yeah, I do strongly suspect Denzel topped their Greatest Actors Of All Time List earlier in the year (as it was alluded to on another website article) . It was odd that they chose not to reveal whom placed where based on vote tallies. Still it's quite a significant acknowledgment by Empire to say he carries the label of being "America's Greatest Living Actor", particularly when American actors I know the magazine revere ( Pacino, DeNiro, Nicholson) are still living, and were probably seen as "next in line" for that title (due to seniority, if nothing else) after the passing of Marlon Brando.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 13, 2023 12:01:58 GMT
Listened to it. Very cool episode indeed
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Post by SeanJoyce on Sept 13, 2023 12:33:39 GMT
Thoughts on Empire's list It's a good list for a great actor. But imagine an actual GOAT candidate stepping up to the podium with Training Day as his best film I'm not...it's a hackneyed piece of shit. Oh yeah, that's the only thing it has in common with Heat
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 13, 2023 12:57:01 GMT
Thoughts on Empire's list It's a good list for a great actor. But imagine an actual GOAT candidate stepping up to the podium with Training Day as his best film I'm not...it's a hackneyed piece of shit. Oh yeah, that's the only thing it has in common with Heat I'm sure GOAT Denzel will survive the shame and indignity of having an incredibly influential & beloved classic cop movie being considered his best film by one British movie magazine Hey, apparently lots of objective people now seem to think Man On Fire is a great movie. Go figure . It's obvious we don't agree on some (or even many) of these things, and probably never will. You have your point of view and what you like and I have my point of view and what I like. Let's leave it at that
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 13, 2023 13:35:54 GMT
Thoughts on Empire's list It's a good list for a great actor. But imagine an actual GOAT candidate stepping up to the podium with Training Day as his best film Everything in that post was true but especially this ^: He's a great American actor with a weak sauce filmography ........which is one of the 3 things that prevents him from being anywhere close to " the American GOAT" ...........: "The greatest actors are in the greatest scenes, often opposite the greatest co-stars, and often for the greatest directors, in the greatest movies of all time" ............and that top 10 ^..............ain't that............none of those movies is even an 8 / 10 arguably ..........
But hey, that's just my POV and I'm hoping to get one of these benign replies myself:
"It's obvious we don't agree on some (or even many) of these things, and probably never will. You have your point of view and what you like and I have my point of view and what I like. Let's leave it at that"
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 13, 2023 13:42:53 GMT
Is there not anything of interest to talk about on The Al Pacino News Thread?
Any excuse to jump in here and be an a$$, you'll take. Also, I'm being patient with SeanJoyce , because he's earned it based on our past interactions (unlike you). But we are starting to go in circles, so I'm not sure how much we've got left to discuss when it comes to Washington. If he wants to ally himself with you on matters Denzel, that's his business. It's not like I'm going to jump in the Montgomery Clift Discussion Thread and start pissing on his leg there in retaliation
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 13, 2023 20:07:02 GMT
New article from the UK's Empire Magazine , which says Denzel carries the label of being "America's Greatest Living Actor" and lists what they consider to be his 10 Best Films.
1 Training Day 2 Crimson Tide 3 Malcolm X 4 Man On Fire 5 Inside Man 6 He Got Game 7 Glory 8 Devil In A Blue Dress 9 American Gangster 10 Fences
Good, I'm partial to Malcolm X for the Numero Uno place, I saw it for the first time in 2000 I was mesmerized and I find it better each time I rewatch it. I remember buying it with a movie magazine, both Ebert & Scorsese were doing their Top 10 of the decade that just ended, Malcolm X was one of the few movies that was in both lists, Fargo as well but I didn't liked it at the time, it's one of these great movies that took me several viewings to really see (some of) its greatness, still not a big big fan like most Coens actually. I would probably choose Much Ado over Macbeth for my fav Shakespeare's film with Denzel in it, Much Ado is such a lovely, fun and uplifting film with a great cast, great music and some fantastic visual that brings you directly to beautiful Tuscany, Branagh did a hell of a job. One thing that I noticed is that I see Philadelphia very often in Tom Hanks top 10 movies I've come accross on internet but less so for Denzel, it's probably due to the fact that Hanks won a Best Actor Oscar for it and it may feels like more important as a film for him, IDK... I like that film a lot, would may (or not) rank it near the bottom of a Denzel top 10 films and his performance in it is a thing of beauty, so youngs Denzel fan's should watch it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 13, 2023 20:28:46 GMT
New article from the UK's Empire Magazine , which says Denzel carries the label of being "America's Greatest Living Actor" and lists what they consider to be his 10 Best Films.
1 Training Day 2 Crimson Tide 3 Malcolm X 4 Man On Fire 5 Inside Man 6 He Got Game 7 Glory 8 Devil In A Blue Dress 9 American Gangster 10 Fences
Good, I'm partial to Malcolm X for the Numero Uno place, I saw it for the first time in 2000 I was mesmerized and I find it better each time I rewatch it. I remember buying it with a movie magazine, both Ebert & Scorsese were doing their Top 10 of the decade that just ended, Malcolm X was one of the few movies that was in both lists, Fargo as well but I didn't liked it at the time, it's one of these great movies that took me several viewings to really see (some of) its greatness, still not a big big fan like most Coens actually. I would probably choose Much Ado over Macbeth for my fav Shakespeare's film with Denzel in it, Much Ado is such a lovely, fun and uplifting film with a great cast, great music and some fantastic visual that brings you directly to beautiful Tuscany, Branagh did a hell of a job. One thing that I noticed is that I see Philadelphia very often in Tom Hanks top 10 movies I've come accross on internet but less so for Denzel, it's probably due to the fact that Hanks won a Best Actor Oscar for it and it may feels like more important as a film for him, IDK... I like that film a lot, would may (or not) rank it near the bottom of a Denzel top 10 films and his performance in it is a thing of beauty, so youngs Denzel fan's should watch it. Very good point about Philidelpia often featuring in top 10 lists for Hanks best movies, but less so for Denzel. I'd agree that Hanks winning his first Best Actor Oscar probably makes it feel like more of an integral film for his filmography than Denzel's. But again, it does sort of speak to the depth of Denzel's filmography when you can leave films like that out of a top 10 for him and still make a strong list (and I'd agree that Malcolm X would be numero uno for me, for both film and performance). I actually think you could make a fairly strong top 10 list of Best Denzel Films, without any one of the picks on the Empire list. His filmography has quite a deep bench. I'll give it a go: 1 The Tragedy Of Macbeth 2 Philidelpia 3 Flight 4 Much Ado About Nothing 5 Mo' Better Blues 6 A Soldier's Story 7 Cry Freedom 8 Courage Under Fire 9 The Hurricane 10 Remember The Titans
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Post by futuretrunks on Sept 14, 2023 2:17:17 GMT
I don't find TWBB impressive, so if Denzel's filmography is weak, DDL's is abysmal. In the Name of the Father is good, The Boxer is fine, Gangs is good but not remotely Goodfellas/The Departed level even though DDL is amazing in it, The Last of the Mohicans is...fine, just watched My Left Foot a few months ago and found it one note and DDL overrated in it, Lincoln is a soporific bore, The Age of Innocence is...okay. etc.
I don't think Denzel has been in a masterpiece or a capital G great film, but I'll take very good movies like Inside Man, He Got Game, The Siege, Unstoppable, etc. over overrated Best Picture nominees or Film Twitter favorites.
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Post by SeanJoyce on Sept 14, 2023 3:10:17 GMT
I don't find TWBB impressive, so if Denzel's filmography is weak, DDL's is abysmal. In the Name of the Father is good, The Boxer is fine, Gangs is good but not remotely Goodfellas/The Departed level even though DDL is amazing in it, The Last of the Mohicans is...fine, just watched My Left Foot a few months ago and found it one note and DDL overrated in it, Lincoln is a soporific bore, The Age of Innocence is...okay. etc. I don't think Denzel has been in a masterpiece or a capital G great film, but I'll take very good movies like Inside Man, He Got Game, The Siege, Unstoppable, etc. over overrated Best Picture nominees or Film Twitter favorites. Listen, I've long been on record as never being the biggest DDL fan; hated There Will be Blood, despise his self-aggrandizing, wannabe-perfectionist approach to doing movies, and in the context of this discussion, prefer Denzel. But this shit here is embarrassing.
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Post by futuretrunks on Sept 14, 2023 3:17:17 GMT
I don't find TWBB impressive, so if Denzel's filmography is weak, DDL's is abysmal. In the Name of the Father is good, The Boxer is fine, Gangs is good but not remotely Goodfellas/The Departed level even though DDL is amazing in it, The Last of the Mohicans is...fine, just watched My Left Foot a few months ago and found it one note and DDL overrated in it, Lincoln is a soporific bore, The Age of Innocence is...okay. etc. I don't think Denzel has been in a masterpiece or a capital G great film, but I'll take very good movies like Inside Man, He Got Game, The Siege, Unstoppable, etc. over overrated Best Picture nominees or Film Twitter favorites. Listen, I've long been on record as never being the biggest DDL fan; hated There Will be Blood, despise his self-aggrandizing, wannabe-perfectionist approach to doing movies, and in the context of this discussion, prefer Denzel. But this shit here is embarrassing. No, it's not. It's the truth.
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Post by SeanJoyce on Sept 14, 2023 4:17:29 GMT
No, it's not. It's the truth.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 14, 2023 8:59:49 GMT
I don't find TWBB impressive, so if Denzel's filmography is weak, DDL's is abysmal. In the Name of the Father is good, The Boxer is fine, Gangs is good but not remotely Goodfellas/The Departed level even though DDL is amazing in it, The Last of the Mohicans is...fine, just watched My Left Foot a few months ago and found it one note and DDL overrated in it, Lincoln is a soporific bore, The Age of Innocence is...okay. etc. I don't think Denzel has been in a masterpiece or a capital G great film, but I'll take very good movies like Inside Man, He Got Game, The Siege, Unstoppable, etc. over overrated Best Picture nominees or Film Twitter favorites. DDL's has so few movies that it's always hard to assess or compare with others. I think TWBB is probably a modern Masterpiece or close to it, My Left Foot is great too but that's the 2 DDL's movies I love, he has others very good stuff but nothing I would personally call great and I see where you are coming with that "bore" term, I also would have loved to see more "modern" stuff, some thriller set in modern NYC, something with Tarantino, a Nolan, even a Guy Ritchie, things that would have brighten up or at least modernized a little more that filmography. I don't know what Sean find embarassing...he himself hates TWBB which is considered by many, to be DDL's best film by far, so if you hate that film you can understand that someone else find his others (lesser to many) movies good but not great. Or it's the last quote maybe ? Well, I wouldn't choose those films but yeah I would put several Denzel's non BP nominated films like Malcolm X or Glory over some of DDL's nominated films like GONY or Lincoln, both overrated to my eyes.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 14, 2023 9:14:00 GMT
TWBB wins best of decade polls - I consider it a flawed masterpiece myself (#2 of 2007) - but it wins best of decade polls ffs........even Denzel's 2 best films Malcolm X and (imo) TToM miss out on top 10s for their years usually........whole different level.....
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2023 10:13:20 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 14, 2023 10:48:49 GMT
^ .......Denzel Washington is the only "great" English speaking male actor to miss out on ALL of these lists...... Whole different level to TWBB.........all I'm saying......people can like actors with weak filmographies - that's fine.... * 0 movies in the top 100 Sight and Sound which would be ok but also (0 this year, or ever in ANY year, on any S&S list) - 0 movies in the IMDB top 250 (ever), 0 movies in the Letterboxd Top 250 (ever), 0 in the Critics TSPDT 1000 iirc (that's 1000 movies !), 0 in the AFI Top 100........... 0 in Rotten Tomatoes Top 100.....
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2023 11:16:26 GMT
Oh, so it only counts if Malcolm X makes the polls and lists you think it should be on. That's convenient Before, according to you, it was barely even making any best of it's year lists (allegedly). Now I show proof it's making credible Best Of All Time lists and coming in high on credible Best Of Decade lists ( ahead of faves of yours like Heat and classics like Fargo and Unforgiven)....well, the goalposts gotta shift, and quickly Weren't you calling Rotten Tomatoes corrupt and rigged last week? I know that 75% for The Equalizer 3 was really upsetting. Now a Denzel film needs to be listed by them to have validity . Make up your mind. The IMDB 250 ....you mean the same incel led poll that just had to change it's voting system after racist review bombing of The Little Mermaid made it extremely obvious what had been known for decades. That the voting system was always deeply flawed and not advantageous to films led by black casts and filmmakers, with few exceptions. Not sure there's much credibility to be found on this poll. uk.movies.yahoo.com/little-mermaid-imdb-changes-ratings-141815271.html
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 14, 2023 11:29:25 GMT
Sight and Sound and TSPDT are a lot bigger, a lot more comprehensive and Denzel missed there too anyway - that's all you need to know - and he's the only one who missed there - don't shoot the messenger - pffffft
As, my buddy jack (um) fiosnasiob recently said - (paraphrasing):
"you disagree, fine, say it twice and move to something else like any normal person would do/is doing. Instead of that, we got to witness that pure insanity that has been going for so long (on IMDB we had beef but at the end of the day it was all fine and actually interesting, but the Zelstans started to lose it on here). In themselves their fellating Denzel is perfectly fine, but with these guys, it's not about opinions but attitudes, it's this obsessional, this absolute, visceral need to tell you (btw, you who ? the 50 regulars on here ? yourself ?. "
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2023 11:44:35 GMT
Well, gee whiz, Denzel doesn't have a movie on two whole polls....I guess that settles it then. No great movies for you!!! Variety, Indiewire, Rolling Stone, Empire, Time...none y'all count if you think he's got a Best Of All-time, Best Of Century or Best Of Decade movie, because you aren't going along with the narrative that had to shift goalposts really fast when you weren't playing along with it!
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Post by fiosnasiob on Sept 14, 2023 13:58:52 GMT
Sight and Sound and TSPDT are a lot bigger, a lot more comprehensive and Denzel missed there too anyway - that's all you need to know - and he's the only one who missed there - don't shoot the messenger - pffffft As, my buddy jack (um) fiosnasiob recently said - (paraphrasing):
"you disagree, fine, say it twice and move to something else like any normal person would do/is doing. Instead of that, we got to witness that pure insanity that has been going for so long (on IMDB we had beef but at the end of the day it was all fine and actually interesting, but the Zelstans started to lose it on here). In themselves their fellating Denzel is perfectly fine, but with these guys, it's not about opinions but attitudes, it's this obsessional, this absolute, visceral need to tell you (btw, you who ? the 50 regulars on here ? yourself ?. " In this way, it doesn't works, dumbass. And the fact that you try to make fun on what I wrote (about your obvious insanity) just shows that you are a lost cause, a "man" with no pride who completely accepted his fate as an obssessed, deeply insecure loser as long as he is anonymously hidden behind a computer. And we will of course continue to fellate just like you fellate to no end Pacino, Brando, etc... and yet I don't see anybody consistently coming in those threads to subtly diss them or to repeat like a madman that they are not that good or any others insane stuff the deeply insecure loser that you are do on here and just like you did again yesterday for the XXX times, Scrud posted the Empire article with Denzel labelled as America's Greatest Living Actor, of course it was too much for your damaged brain so you had to do something to feel okay... And, not that I care but when you post supposedly facts in bold, try to be sure that those...facts are corrects, Glory was for a long time in the IMDB Top 250, even near the top 100 when I subscribed on IMDB, Malcolm X was added in the TSPDT 1000 list.......dumbass (x2).
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2023 14:25:44 GMT
Good catch fiosnasiob . Malcolm X is in the top 1000 on TSPDT.Guess the goalposts need to change once again with that bit of false disinformation debunked. It's getting pretty sad now
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