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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 1, 2022 2:50:57 GMT
Hmm.... Mr Washington says Shakespeare is the only challenge left in his career. Also gives a shout-out to Mark Rylance as a Shakespearian great by saying seeing Rylance in Twelveth Night showed he didn't have to be overly reverent to traditional iambic pentameter readings when doing Shakespeare (he admits to imitating the verse styling of Laurence Olivier in his first stab at Othello).
www.indiewire.com/2022/02/oscar-contender-denzel-washington-macbeth-shakespeare-1234702913/Interesting. So it sounds like The Equalizer 3 is going to be his last of that franchise and he definitely seems hell bent on King Lear. So a commercial play and then tacking his King Lear. It sounds like he's been circling Lear for decades since he fell in love with Shakespeare in college. I remember the one time he participated in that Hollywood Report actors roundtable when him and Arkin were talking about Scofield's King Lear you could see him lean in since he was interested. I think after Lear he'll probably work more sparingly like 2-3 years in between each movie, only working with auteurs.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 1, 2022 4:59:26 GMT
I'm sorry, but why does Denzel need to be doing The Equalizer 3? He's very rich already, has plenty of commercial success. Personally, seems to me like a complete waste of time unless Michael Mann or something is directing.
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Post by franklin on Mar 1, 2022 22:19:06 GMT
It's not how it works, it's not about the money, it's about his career as a bankable movie star being able to get certain films made.
He has to do first something commercial pandering to the public like The Equalizer to prove to be still bankable at nearly 70 and with that he will be able to fund something so niche or inaccessible like King Lear or whatever other Shakespeare or August Wilson adaptation he wants to do.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 2, 2022 3:35:39 GMT
It's not how it works, it's not about the money, it's about his career as a bankable movie star being able to get certain films made. He has to do first something commercial pandering to the public like The Equalizer to prove to be still bankable at nearly 70 and with that he will be able to fund something so niche or inaccessible like King Lear or whatever other Shakespeare or August Wilson adaptation he wants to do. Well observed. Surprised some people don't get this. Or have a realistic view of how the industry works. Denzel cannot easily get all these "passion projects" (August Wilson, Shakespeare etc) he's making funded if he stops making films that make serious box office/bank. The film industry is not a charity. All his acclaim, Oscar nods and past successes will mean nothing to studios/financiers if the hits dry up, especially at his age. Even something like Roman J Israel Esq ( basically an arthouse film funded and released by a major studio in Sony) probably only got funded and greenlit by Sony because they knew they would get one or 2 more Equalizer films out of Denzel . Roman J Israel Esq lost Sony money by the way, but again, the studio knows Denzel can "pay them back " with a guaranteed commercial success. Brad Pitt is in his late 50's, has just won an Oscar and has a taste that often leans towards risky or non-commercial "art" films. Yet, his next movie is Bullet Train, an action romp about assassins on a train by the guy who directed Fast And Furious: Hobbes And Shaw. Even Pitt for all his clout and success, knows that he can't just keep pumping out out nothing but "art" films (some of which do lose money, like Ad Astra , By The Sea and Killing Them Softly) if he doesn't keep up his box office track record with obvious commercial hits. The reason Denzel can probably easily get a film version of King Lear made/funded and Al Pacino can't, is because he remains a major commercial force in the industry because of things like Equalizer.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 2, 2022 4:04:34 GMT
I'll take me an Unstoppable any day over the past few Best Picture winners. It's more like we kinda know what to expect from Fuqua at this point. He did Denzel a great service with his excellent work on Training Day, but I don't think he's been a fruitful collaborator since, with either Equalizer movie or the Magnificent Seven remake. I'd much rather Denzel hook back up with Spike, Zwick, a 95 year old Norman Jewison, etc. than do like 7 movies with Fuqua.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 2, 2022 4:22:54 GMT
Hmm...I think Fuqua is underrated. He makes very solid, occasionally character driven action films. I like the Equalizer films as well (especially the first one). And on a commercial level, Fuqua has been a fruitful collaborator for Denzel, because The Equalizer films make money, and allow Denzel to be able to make riskier projects like Fences etc.
Fuqua and Denzel make bank together. He's good for the commercial side of Denzel's career. Denzel has plenty of clear ambitions on the more artistic side, so as a fan, I'm fine with his Fuqua action flicks.
I mean some people were dismissive of Denzel's Tony Scott collaborations when Scott was still alive (I remember everyone on IMDB saying he should stop working with Scott when they did Two Train Movies back to back in The Taking Of Pelham 123 and Unstoppable). These days, with Scott's death and the passage of time it's not uncommon for people to say their partnership is legendary. But a lot of people hated on the Denzel/Scott partnership because they were not making awards bait or "prestige " art films. Denzel/Fuqua isn't quite up to the level of Denzel/Scott, but I believe their collaboration will get similarly retroactive respect down the line
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 2, 2022 5:36:18 GMT
Hmm...I think Fuqua is underrated. He makes very solid, occasionally character driven action films. I like the Equalizer films as well (especially the first one). And on a commercial level, Fuqua has been a fruitful collaborator for Denzel, because The Equalizer films make money, and allow Denzel to be able to make riskier projects like Fences etc. Fuqua and Denzel make bank together. He's good for the commercial side of Denzel's career. Denzel has plenty of clear ambitions on the more artistic side, so as a fan, I'm fine with his Fuqua action flicks. I mean some people were dismissive of Denzel's Tony Scott collaborations when Scott was still alive (I remember everyone on IMDB saying he should stop working with Scott when they did Two Train Movies back to back in The Taking Of Pelham 123 and Unstoppable). These days, with Scott's death and the passage of time it's not uncommon for people to say their partnership is legendary. But a lot of people hated on the Denzel/Scott partnership because they were not making awards bait or "prestige " art films. Denzel/Fuqua isn't quite up to the level of Denzel/Scott, but I believe their collaboration will get similarly retroactive respect down the line Some people were certainly dismissive of his Tony Scott collaborations, but there was always a vocal minority who liked or really liked a number of them immediately. Fuqua just isn't nearly as interesting a director as Tony Scott. He's like a much lesser Curtis Hanson, Training Day being his fluke L.A. Confidential-esque thing, but without even curios like 8 Mile, The Hand that Rocks the Cradle, In Her Shoes, Wonderboys, etc.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 2, 2022 13:10:13 GMT
It's not how it works, it's not about the money, it's about his career as a bankable movie star being able to get certain films made. He has to do first something commercial pandering to the public like The Equalizer to prove to be still bankable at nearly 70 and with that he will be able to fund something so niche or inaccessible like King Lear or whatever other Shakespeare or August Wilson adaptation he wants to do. Well observed. Surprised some people don't get this. Or have a realistic view of how the industry works. Denzel cannot easily get all these "passion projects" (August Wilson, Shakespeare etc) he's making funded if he stops making films that make serious box office/bank. The film industry is not a charity. All his acclaim, Oscar nods and past successes will mean nothing to studios/financiers if the hits dry up, especially at his age. Even something like Roman J Israel Esq ( basically an arthouse film funded and released by a major studio in Sony) probably only got funded and greenlit by Sony because they knew they would get one or 2 more Equalizer films out of Denzel . Roman J Israel Esq lost Sony money by the way, but again, the studio knows Denzel can "pay them back " with a guaranteed commercial success. Brad Pitt is in his late 50's, has just won an Oscar and has a taste that often leans towards risky or non-commercial "art" films. Yet, his next movie is Bullet Train, an action romp about assassins on a train by the guy who directed Fast And Furious: Hobbes And Shaw. Even Pitt for all his clout and success, knows that he can't just keep pumping out out nothing but "art" films (some of which do lose money, like Ad Astra , By The Sea and Killing Them Softly) if he doesn't keep up his box office track record with obvious commercial hits. The reason Denzel can probably easily get a film version of King Lear made/funded and Al Pacino can't, is because he remains a major commercial force in the industry because of things like Equalizer. The ol one for them, one for me.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 4, 2022 6:51:37 GMT
Denzel voted one of the top 10 Actors in a Gangster Film in a poll from UK audiences. Pretty impressive considering he's only done 1 Gangster Film in his career in American Gangster(the top 2 in the poll was unsurprisingly DeNiro and Pacino, as they have become emblematic of the genre and built their reputations playing gangsters). Also once again speaks to Washington's enduring popularity with British audiences, which makes BAFTA's aversion to him even more baffling. Top 10 Actors In A Gangster Film1 Robert DeNiro 2 Al Pacino3 Samuel L Jackson4 Marlon Brando 5 Liam Neeson6 Tom Hardy7 Denzel Washington 8 Joe Pesci9 Michael Caine 10 Sean ConneryBit surprised Leonardo DiCaprio or Daniel Day-Lewis didn't make the cut, despite Gangs Of New York figuring in the top 10 Gangster films as voted by the poll (and DiCaprio being part of another highly popular recent Gangster Film in The Departed). Sad that other than Brando, who had a career resurgence in the 1970's, none of the classic Gangster film Actors pre-70's ( Bogart, Cagney, Robinson etc) figured, but I guess many of their films are unseen or not prioritised by younger audiences. www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/movies/the-godfather-is-crowned-the-uk-s-favourite-gangster-movie-here-s-how-to-get-your-tickets-for-showcase-cinema-s-special-screenings/ar-AAUy5BN
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 4, 2022 7:04:57 GMT
Breh, they have Tom Hardy above Joe Pesci. What kind of list is this??? Hardy might be top 200 if you include Peaky Blinders.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 4, 2022 7:15:08 GMT
Breh, they have Tom Hardy above Joe Pesci. What kind of list is this??? Hardy might be top 200 if you include Peaky Blinders. Peaky Blinders is huge in the UK. It's not a movie, but that surely influenced his placement. Plus, he played both the most iconic British Gangsters of all time ( the Kray Twins) in Legend, which was a movie and a bigger deal in the UK than anywhere else . It's a British poll with recency bias. I'm not shocked Hardy is on it (though it's a bit disappointing that he's higher than Michael Caine, who with things like Get Carter probably did the most of any actor to define British Gangsters on film)
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 4, 2022 7:51:44 GMT
Denzel voted one of the top 10 Actors in a Gangster Film in a poll from UK audiences. Pretty impressive considering he's only done 1 Gangster Film in his career in American Gangster(the top 2 in the poll was unsurprisingly DeNiro and Pacino, as they have become emblematic of the genre and built their reputations playing gangsters). Also once again speaks to Washington's enduring popularity with British audiences, which makes BAFTA's aversion to him even more baffling. Top 10 Actors In A Gangster Film1 Robert DeNiro 2 Al Pacino3 Samuel L Jackson4 Marlon Brando 5 Liam Neeson6 Tom Hardy7 Denzel Washington 8 Joe Pesci9 Michael Caine 10 Sean ConneryBit surprised Leonardo DiCaprio or Daniel Day-Lewis didn't make the cut, despite Gangs Of New York figuring in the top 10 Gangster films as voted by the poll (and DiCaprio being part of another highly popular recent Gangster Film in The Departed). Sad that other than Brando, who had a career resurgence in the 1970's, none of the classic Gangster film Actors pre-70's ( Bogart, Cagney, Robinson etc) figured, but I guess many of their films are unseen or not prioritised by younger audiences. www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/movies/the-godfather-is-crowned-the-uk-s-favourite-gangster-movie-here-s-how-to-get-your-tickets-for-showcase-cinema-s-special-screenings/ar-AAUy5BN Liam Neeson and Tom Hardy clearly indicates whoever made this list lives in the 2010s. You gotta have Johnny Depp (Donnie Brasco, Public Enemies, Black Mass). Those are 3 of his most interesting works tho he was overshadowed by Pacino big time in the former. I see Christopher Walken thru the prism of a bastard gangster, also - so you gotta have him too. And no Buscemi? Seriously? You can even argue some British gangsters like Tim Roth and Ray Winstone. This list sucks. Never mind the fact that there's no Bogart, Cagney or Robinson but even if we narrow the list down to just 70s and after, we can still argue the cinematic literacy of this list.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 4, 2022 8:08:18 GMT
Denzel voted one of the top 10 Actors in a Gangster Film in a poll from UK audiences. Pretty impressive considering he's only done 1 Gangster Film in his career in American Gangster(the top 2 in the poll was unsurprisingly DeNiro and Pacino, as they have become emblematic of the genre and built their reputations playing gangsters). Also once again speaks to Washington's enduring popularity with British audiences, which makes BAFTA's aversion to him even more baffling. Top 10 Actors In A Gangster Film1 Robert DeNiro 2 Al Pacino3 Samuel L Jackson4 Marlon Brando 5 Liam Neeson6 Tom Hardy7 Denzel Washington 8 Joe Pesci9 Michael Caine 10 Sean ConneryBit surprised Leonardo DiCaprio or Daniel Day-Lewis didn't make the cut, despite Gangs Of New York figuring in the top 10 Gangster films as voted by the poll (and DiCaprio being part of another highly popular recent Gangster Film in The Departed). Sad that other than Brando, who had a career resurgence in the 1970's, none of the classic Gangster film Actors pre-70's ( Bogart, Cagney, Robinson etc) figured, but I guess many of their films are unseen or not prioritised by younger audiences. www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/movies/the-godfather-is-crowned-the-uk-s-favourite-gangster-movie-here-s-how-to-get-your-tickets-for-showcase-cinema-s-special-screenings/ar-AAUy5BN Liam Neeson and Tom Hardy clearly indicates whoever made this list lives in the 2010s. You gotta have Johnny Depp (Donnie Brasco, Public Enemies, Black Mass). Those are 3 of his most interesting works tho he was overshadowed by Pacino big time in the former. And Christopher Walken. And no Buscemi? Seriously? You can even argue some British gangsters like Tim Roth and Ray Winstone. This list sucks. Never mind the fact that there's no Bogart, Cagney or Robinson but if we narrow the list down to just 70s and after, we can still argue the cinematic literacy of this list. No one "made" the list. It was a public vote of UK cinema audiences. People voted for who they liked and who they know. Judged on that basis, it's not a terrible list. As long as you take it for what it is. The top 2 makes sense. Jackson is immortal as Jules in Pulp Fiction. Brando is obviously The Godfather. Pesci is more a character actor than a leading man, yet at least UK audiences had the sense to recognise his legendary contribution to the Gangster genre. Denzel made a lasting impact with American Gangster. Caine and Connery are British legends, who made Gangster films that have had lasting resonance. Neeson and Hardy might have been helped by recency and British bias, but as public votes go, it's really not that bad. Depp has done his fair share of Gangster films, but Donnie Brasco was the only one I thought was actually good, and as you say, Pacino overshadowed him in that. Didn't find him all that interesting in Public Enemies (and found the film dull) and he was a caricature/cartoon in Black Mass, which was a mediocre film. He's not a massive omission for me, though I'd understand if he made it. Yeah, people like Walken and Winstone would have been worthy of making this list, but as I said, I don't think the list is actually that bad for a public vote.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 4, 2022 8:17:56 GMT
Liam Neeson and Tom Hardy clearly indicates whoever made this list lives in the 2010s. You gotta have Johnny Depp (Donnie Brasco, Public Enemies, Black Mass). Those are 3 of his most interesting works tho he was overshadowed by Pacino big time in the former. And Christopher Walken. And no Buscemi? Seriously? You can even argue some British gangsters like Tim Roth and Ray Winstone. This list sucks. Never mind the fact that there's no Bogart, Cagney or Robinson but if we narrow the list down to just 70s and after, we can still argue the cinematic literacy of this list. No one "made" the list. It was a public vote of UK cinema audiences. People voted for who they liked and who they know. Judged on that basis, it's not a terrible list. As long as you take it for what it is. The top 2 makes sense. Jackson is immortal as Jules in Pulp Fiction. Brando is obviously The Godfather. Pesci is more a character actor than a leading man, yet at least UK audiences had the sense to recognise his legendary contribution to the Gangster genre. Denzel made a lasting impact with American Gangster. Caine and Connery are British legends, who made Gangster films that have had lasting resonance. Neeson and Hardy might have been helped by recency and British bias, but as public votes go, it's really not that bad. Right. I don't think anyone in their right mind would debate Jackson, Brando, Denzel, Caine, Pacino, DeNiro, and Pesci. I think any casual viewer knows they are the genre mainstays. If it were up to me, I'd replace Connery, Hardy, and Neeson with Depp, Walken, and Buscemi. I realize that Connery had The Untouchables, which is iconic but it's probably not even Top 5 iconic Connery movies to me, and never mind he wasn't even a gangster in that. I don't think I've seen him as a gangster in any other movie. With Pesci, Jackson, and Caine - the first movie that comes to mind is a gangster movie for most people. Connery is an action star primarily. Even later movies like Finding Forrester or LXG he's this elder image that's perfect for a fighting video game cover. I know i'm just nitpicking and demanding perfection, but this is just what my mind sees as gangster. And there's exactly 10 names I would say you absolutely can't leave off and that would round up that number perfectly. I can see how Public Enemies didn't make much impact for most people, but I can't abide you saying he was mediocre in Black Mass. Come on now, dude. And I know this is a Western oriented list, but might I also suggest Chow Yun Fat? Surely Americans (and some British) have seen his movies.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 4, 2022 8:33:31 GMT
I didn't say Depp was mediocre in Black Mass. I said the film was mediocre, which I stand by. Depp was certainly going for something. I just don't think that something was good. A performance can be ambitious and still bad. I just actively disliked what he was going for and thought the choices he made to play Whitey Bulger were misjudged. From the grotesque make-up and contacts, to the way he played Bulger as someone who might as well have "Evil" tattooed on his forehead whenever he entered a room. Who would ever follow this dude? He came off like a paedophile or a flasher, not a charasmatic mob boss or leader of men.There was no nuance to what Depp did. He made Bulger into a comic book villain, when I think there was room to make him less of a caricature.
I just don't think the performance worked and don't like it. I respect the attempt by Depp, just not the execution. He was probably miscast.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 4, 2022 8:40:54 GMT
I would also add Vincent Cassal as someone deserving to be on a modern list like this. He's got La Haine and the Mesrine films, and is magnificent in them.
I wouldn't put him on a list, but it's interesting that a major actor like Joaquin Phoenix has made several Gangster films (The Yards, We Own The Night, The Immigrant) yet not really made a lasting impact on audiences with them
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 4, 2022 8:55:07 GMT
I would also add Vincent Cassall as someone deserving to be on a modern list like this. He's got La Haine and the Mesrine films , and is magnificent in them. I wouldn't put him on a list, but it's interesting that a major actor like Joaquin Phoenix has made several Gangster films ( The Yards, We Own The Night, The Immigrant) yer not really made a lasting impact on audiences with them Good call with Cassel. I think him being a French actor is what leaves him off, but if countries were seen as equal, he probably makes it. I would also say Jean Reno. Altho maybe assassin isn't seen as the same thing as a gangster and him not being ultimately a recognized actor to Western audiences beyond that one movie would leave him off. Maybe Gary Oldman for his iconic performance in the same movie. Chow Yun Fat has to make this list for The Killer and The Replacement Killers. Those are some major movies for 90s audiences. I don't think Phoenix makes a dent on this list. Those movies are too minimal and barely on my mind at all, really. I can't speak for others, but to me those movies are too small to dent a discussion on iconography.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 4, 2022 9:37:53 GMT
Top 10 Actors In A Gangster Film
1 Robert DeNiro 2 Al PacinoThe list is pretty daft but all lists often are so ..........: * I think we can say that De Niro has had more to say about the criminal mind and its place in America - in "gangster" movies or not than anyone - and he's in arguably the best films in this genre in 4 different decades 70s-90s/10s). * Pacino of course is weirder and odder (he always is!) - I mean in the 9 hours of The Godfather Trilogy he engages in one brief overtly violent physical act within this genre parameters (Sollozzo/McCluskey)....... he's in The Irishman but not a gangster etc. * My own list would include Bob Hoskins (Long Good Friday), Keitel, Beatty (I guess Bonnie & Clyde & Bugsy don't top Neeson, Hardy, Washington here? GTFO ), Cagney and of course Gandolfini who I guess wasn't an option since he's TV - whatever - it still stands with any film portrayal and exceeds most. MAR's Best Crime Films list is better than this anyhoo also.....one of our best polls tbh........ movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/thread/11262/poll-best-crime-films-complete
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 4, 2022 13:57:48 GMT
American Gangster seems to be a pretty popular film in the UK. I see on social media they always show it on one of their major channels. The film even did well at BAFTAS outside of nominating Denzel…of course.
Not really surprised with any of the choices, good snapshot of the actors who had an impact on the modern gangster genre starting with the 1970s day what you will about AG but it does have that classic scene of Denzel walking up to shoot Idris Elba in the head in public and then going back to the diner to continue his family conversation.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 4, 2022 14:12:35 GMT
American Gangster seems to be a pretty popular film in the UK. I see on social media they always show it on one of their major channels. The film even did well at BAFTAS outside of nominating Denzel…of course. Not really surprised with any of the choices, good snapshot of the actors who had an impact on the modern gangster genre starting with the 1970s day what you will about AG but it does have that classic scene of Denzel walking up to shoot Idris Elba in the head in public and then going back to the diner to continue his family conversation. Yeah, I'm kind of impressed how iconic and popular American Gangster has become over time. It was well reviewed and liked on release, but it's really staked it's place as one of the modern gangster classics in the ensuing 15 years. Films that came after it like Public Enemies and Gangster Squad showed how hard it is to make a dent or enter the pantheon in that genre now. AG almost feels like to last Hollywood made Gangster Film to have done that.
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Post by stephen on Mar 4, 2022 14:12:51 GMT
Cagney, Eddie G., Hoskins, Stephen Graham, Muni, Oldman, and Walken all deserve look-ins on this list.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 4, 2022 14:20:04 GMT
Gary Oldman is unfortunate that one of his greatest performances comes in a Gangster Film that is pretty obscure, and never made an impact with audiences or on popular culture....State Of Grace. I can understand why he wouldn't figure in any kind of audience vote.
Wesley Snipes would deserve a mention as well. His Nino Brown in New Jack City is classic modern Gangster performance and the film did make a mark in popular culture. He was also in King Of New York with Christopher Walken (who would also deserve a mention for that film, as others have covered).
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 4, 2022 19:23:54 GMT
Interesting that no one mentioned Ben Kingsley for this list. His Sexy Beast performance as psychotic gangster Don Logan was quite beloved by IMDB-bros, but I never sensed it held quite the same cache with UK audiences.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 4, 2022 20:11:27 GMT
Interesting that no one mentioned Ben Kingsley for this list . His Sexy Beast performance as psychotic gangster Don Logan was quite beloved by IMDB-bros, but I never sensed it held quite the same cache with UK audiences. I forgot about Kingsley in Sexy Beast. Amazing performance! I don't know why the UK audience doesn't hold that performance at a similar level to the others mentioned, Perhaps you can speak on that more, maybe they don't take him seriously in that film? I don't know, but I thought he was great in it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 4, 2022 20:28:29 GMT
Interesting that no one mentioned Ben Kingsley for this list . His Sexy Beast performance as psychotic gangster Don Logan was quite beloved by IMDB-bros, but I never sensed it held quite the same cache with UK audiences. I forgot about Kingsley in Sexy Beast. Amazing performance! I don't know why the UK audience doesn't hold that performance at a similar level to the others mentioned, Perhaps you can speak on that more, maybe they don't take him seriously in that film? I don't know, but I thought he was great in it. My theory is that British audiences are kind of so used to the sort of "Cockney Nutcase" gangsters Kingsley portrayed in Sexy Beast, that the performance doesn't stand out quite as much in the UK. You see much lesser actors giving similar (and quite effective) performances in weekly British soap operas like Eastenders or Guy Ritchie movies. In British film and TV, Don Logan is almost a cliche. And some people feel it's easy to play since so many actors are called upon to do it in the UK. Wheras for some US/International fans, they haven't been subjected to that type of Gangster character as much, they just look at it as a really great example of Kingsley's range as an actor ( ie, look at him go from Ghandi to Sexy Beast) and are more impressed. Could be wrong, but that's my theory.
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