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Post by dadsburgers on Nov 23, 2020 4:49:11 GMT
Looks like Judah and the Messiah will be eligible, so we should add it to this poll
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Post by TerryMontana on Nov 23, 2020 6:29:20 GMT
A film is out of the poll if it gets zero votes? How does it work??
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 23, 2020 6:40:30 GMT
A film is out of the poll if it gets zero votes? How does it work?? I believe so.
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Post by TheAlwaysClassy on Nov 23, 2020 7:28:46 GMT
Adding: Ma Rainey's Black Bottom Starting to think this might be the one to beat.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 23, 2020 7:42:50 GMT
Adding: Ma Rainey's Black Bottom Starting to think this might be the one to beat. Interesting. What makes you say that?
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Post by TheAlwaysClassy on Nov 23, 2020 10:23:50 GMT
Starting to think this might be the one to beat. Interesting. What makes you say that? Absolutely nothing I figure it'll have the actors behind it more than any other film, and I always predict whatever I think the actors will go with.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 23, 2020 15:33:33 GMT
Ma Rainey's is hot as hell. 100% on RT with 45 reviews. I know I just said critics don't mean that much but there's clearly a lot of love for this thing and not just for the perfs. Don't know if that'll last but I'd say its chances look better than Mank's anyways.
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Post by stephen on Nov 23, 2020 15:50:07 GMT
Ma Rainey's is hot as hell. 100% on RT with 45 reviews. I know I just said critics don't mean that much but there's clearly a lot of love for this thing and not just for the perfs. Don't know if that'll last but I'd say its chances look better than Mank's anyways. Ma Rainey's is looking very nice, and if it can muscle into Best Director I would take it very seriously as a contender for the top prize. I would be much more confident in it winning Best Actor and Actress if it could show strength outside of Acting and Picture.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 23, 2020 15:56:21 GMT
Ma Rainey's is hot as hell. 100% on RT with 45 reviews. I know I just said critics don't mean that much but there's clearly a lot of love for this thing and not just for the perfs. Don't know if that'll last but I'd say its chances look better than Mank's anyways. If this keeps up and has a nice awards run, you're going to see alot of great talent pining to be part of these August Wilson film adaptation projects with the potential plaudits it could bring. Even for some of the less famous plays in his Pittsburgh Cycle. There's 8 more of them so there is plenty of opportunity.
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Post by stephen on Nov 23, 2020 16:02:36 GMT
Ma Rainey's is hot as hell. 100% on RT with 45 reviews. I know I just said critics don't mean that much but there's clearly a lot of love for this thing and not just for the perfs. Don't know if that'll last but I'd say its chances look better than Mank's anyways. If this keeps up and has a nice awards run, you're going to see alot of great talent pining to be part of these August Wilson film adaptation projects with the potential plaudits it could bring. Even for some of the less famous plays in his Pittsburgh Cycle. There's 8 more of them so there is plenty of opportunity. I know it's kind of a petty thing to be pissed about, but I do kinda wish that they didn't re-use actors for the August Wilson series. I like the idea that it's building this cinematic universe, where they are all connected more or less, and re-using actors (even great ones) kind of breaks that illusion for me.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 23, 2020 16:11:59 GMT
Yeah, Wolfe getting into Director would make things very very interesting.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 23, 2020 16:12:08 GMT
If this keeps up and has a nice awards run, you're going to see alot of great talent pining to be part of these August Wilson film adaptation projects with the potential plaudits it could bring. Even for some of the less famous plays in his Pittsburgh Cycle. There's 8 more of them so there is plenty of opportunity. I know it's kind of a petty thing to be pissed about, but I do kinda wish that they didn't re-use actors for the August Wilson series. I like the idea that it's building this cinematic universe, where they are all connected more or less, and re-using actors (even great ones) kind of breaks that illusion for me. I was going to say that about Viola but didn't want to sound like a playa hater on her. Wilson has been good to Viola the past decade so I'm glad its continuing with Ma Rainey but I hope for the other 8 plays they get other actresses/actors to be involved and not recycle. Plenty of other great actresses they can get. Let some of the others shine Denzel..lol.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 23, 2020 16:24:29 GMT
I know it's kind of a petty thing to be pissed about, but I do kinda wish that they didn't re-use actors for the August Wilson series. I like the idea that it's building this cinematic universe, where they are all connected more or less, and re-using actors (even great ones) kind of breaks that illusion for me. I was going to say that about Viola but didn't want to sound like a playa hater on her. Wilson has been good to Viola the past decade so I'm glad its continuing with Ma Rainey but I hope for the other 8 plays they get other actresses/actors to be involved and not recycle. Plenty of other great actresses they can get. Let some of the others shine Denzel..lol. Agreed. Viola's great, and it sounds like she's a lock for Ma Rainey, but it would be nice to let other performers shine in these adaptations. I know Denzel's plans to produce more Wilson plays, especially since his second adaptation seems to be going swimming, and it's cool that's he's putting his name down to help black actors and actresses, so hopefully he pushes for more performers to star then just "the names". In fact some struggling actors are just biting at the bit to perform those heavy August Wilson monologues.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 23, 2020 16:30:33 GMT
I was going to say that about Viola but didn't want to sound like a playa hater on her. Wilson has been good to Viola the past decade so I'm glad its continuing with Ma Rainey but I hope for the other 8 plays they get other actresses/actors to be involved and not recycle. Plenty of other great actresses they can get. Let some of the others shine Denzel..lol. Agreed. Viola's great, and it sounds like she's a lock for Ma Rainey, but it would be nice to let other performers shine in these adaptations. I know Denzel's plans to produce more Wilson plays, especially since his second adaptation seems to be going swimming, and it's cool that's he's putting his name down to help black actors and actresses, so hopefully he pushes for more performers to star then just "the names". In fact some struggling actors are just biting at the bit to perform those heavy August Wilson monologues. Exactly and you know Netflix wants to stay in the Denzel business for the forseeable future, they bought the rights to his son's movie with Zendaya, they got him signed up for a big Netflix project with him and Julia Roberts, they're producing all his August Wilson plays, so they want him to be happy. They won't shortchange him and his Wilson projects as far as budget so they might not even names as long as he's attached as a producer and they can get some great talent behind the camera. This can be perfect to launch several careers of struggling actors.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 23, 2020 16:32:31 GMT
If this keeps up and has a nice awards run, you're going to see alot of great talent pining to be part of these August Wilson film adaptation projects with the potential plaudits it could bring. Even for some of the less famous plays in his Pittsburgh Cycle. There's 8 more of them so there is plenty of opportunity. I know it's kind of a petty thing to be pissed about, but I do kinda wish that they didn't re-use actors for the August Wilson series. I like the idea that it's building this cinematic universe, where they are all connected more or less, and re-using actors (even great ones) kind of breaks that illusion for me. Still, the way things are going so far, the Denzel produced August Wilson cinematic universe is probably going to make for one incredible box-set. I likened it to what was done for Tennessee Williams in the 50's and 60's, when he had several major film adaptations of his work that were consistent Oscar contenders, and the August Wilson cycle looks to be headed down a similar path. Also, Samuel L Jackson must be feeling pretty damned good about being able to potentially claim a Best Actor Oscar knowing Denzel wants him for The Piano Lesson. As soon as that goes into production, SLJ has to be one of the early favorites for Best Actor, probably.
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Post by stephen on Nov 23, 2020 16:36:36 GMT
Still, the way things are going so far, the Denzel produced August Wilson cinematic universe is probably going to make for one incredible box-set. I likened it to what was done for Tennessee Williams in the 50's and 60's, when he had several major film adaptations of his work that were consistent Oscar contenders, and the August Wilson cycle looks to be headed down a similar path. Also, Samuel L Jackson must be feeling pretty damned good about being able to potentially claim a Best Actor Oscar knowing Denzel wants him for The Piano Lesson. As soon as that goes into production, SLJ has to be one of the early favorites for Best Actor, probably. I'm excited to see what other filmmakers Denzel can rope into this. I was wondering (and hoping) if he's been trying to court Barry Jenkins for one of these projects.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 23, 2020 16:40:32 GMT
I know it's kind of a petty thing to be pissed about, but I do kinda wish that they didn't re-use actors for the August Wilson series. I like the idea that it's building this cinematic universe, where they are all connected more or less, and re-using actors (even great ones) kind of breaks that illusion for me. Still, the way things are going so far, the Denzel produced August Wilson cinematic universe is probably going to make for one incredible box-set. I likened it to what was done for Tennessee Williams in the 50's and 60's, when he had several major film adaptations of his work that were consistent Oscar contenders, and the August Wilson cycle looks to be headed down a similar path. Also, Samuel L Jackson must be feeling pretty damned good about being able to potentially claim a Best Actor Oscar knowing Denzel wants him for The Piano Lesson. As soon as that goes into production, SLJ has to be one of the early favorites for Best Actor, probably. It would be amazing if Denzel's producing hands got SLJ to finally get a second nomination, and a win. It feels like it's been a long time coming, and it's been a little while since he's been in such a prestigey type projects where he can show off his dramatic chops.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 23, 2020 16:40:40 GMT
I was going to say that about Viola but didn't want to sound like a playa hater on her. Wilson has been good to Viola the past decade so I'm glad its continuing with Ma Rainey but I hope for the other 8 plays they get other actresses/actors to be involved and not recycle. Plenty of other great actresses they can get. Let some of the others shine Denzel..lol. Agreed. Viola's great, and it sounds like she's a lock for Ma Rainey, but it would be nice to let other performers shine in these adaptations. I know Denzel's plans to produce more Wilson plays, especially since his second adaptation seems to be going swimming, and it's cool that's he's putting his name down to help black actors and actresses, so hopefully he pushes for more performers to star then just "the names". In fact some struggling actors are just biting at the bit to perform those heavy August Wilson monologues. Agreed. He has 8 more of these to go, so plenty of time to get in less starry names for big roles (I know I talked about Wendell Pierce being perfect for Jitney).But on the other hand, I understand the need for "star" casting for these films. They are all based on stage plays, which is an instant negative for many, especially if you don't know who the main actors in it are. There is probably a pressure to make the first few Wilson films "events" to justify the budget/awards campaigning etc. For play adaptations, easiest way to make the film an event is to cast names, because it all comes down to the acting. But hopefully, a few films down the line there will be enough confidence in the August Wilson brand by itself, that you can take a chance with casting some less starry names in the lead parts.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 23, 2020 16:40:49 GMT
Still, the way things are going so far, the Denzel produced August Wilson cinematic universe is probably going to make for one incredible box-set. I likened it to what was done for Tennessee Williams in the 50's and 60's, when he had several major film adaptations of his work that were consistent Oscar contenders, and the August Wilson cycle looks to be headed down a similar path. Also, Samuel L Jackson must be feeling pretty damned good about being able to potentially claim a Best Actor Oscar knowing Denzel wants him for The Piano Lesson. As soon as that goes into production, SLJ has to be one of the early favorites for Best Actor, probably. I'm excited to see what other filmmakers Denzel can rope into this. I was wondering (and hoping) if he's been trying to court Barry Jenkins for one of these projects. There was some rumors that Denzel was trying to get Jenkins to direct The Piano Lesson next with Samuel L. Jackson and John David Washington. So we'll see if that comes to fruition. theplaylist.net/piano-lesson-barry-jenkins-samuel-l-jackson-john-david-washington-20201001/
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 23, 2020 16:46:20 GMT
Agreed. Viola's great, and it sounds like she's a lock for Ma Rainey, but it would be nice to let other performers shine in these adaptations. I know Denzel's plans to produce more Wilson plays, especially since his second adaptation seems to be going swimming, and it's cool that's he's putting his name down to help black actors and actresses, so hopefully he pushes for more performers to star then just "the names". In fact some struggling actors are just biting at the bit to perform those heavy August Wilson monologues. Agreed. He has 8 more of these to go, so plenty of time to get in less starry names for big roles (I know I talked about Wendell Pierce being perfect for Jitney).But on the other hand, I understand the need for "star" casting for these films. They are all based on stage plays, which is an instant negative for many, especially if you don't know who the main actors in it are. There is probably a pressure to make the first few Wilson films "events" to justify the budget/awards campaigning etc. For play adaptations, easiest way to make the film an event is to cast names, because it all comes down to the acting. But hopefully, a few films down the line there will be enough confidence in the August Wilson brand by itself, that you can take a chance with casting some less starry names in the lead parts. Oh yeah, it's definitely a "damned if you, damned if don't" type situation when it comes to casting the leads, which is why it's good that almost all of the supporting and or minor characters are often played by actors you probably never even heard of. Who knows, one of them could pop?!
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 23, 2020 18:00:59 GMT
Still, the way things are going so far, the Denzel produced August Wilson cinematic universe is probably going to make for one incredible box-set. I likened it to what was done for Tennessee Williams in the 50's and 60's, when he had several major film adaptations of his work that were consistent Oscar contenders, and the August Wilson cycle looks to be headed down a similar path. Also, Samuel L Jackson must be feeling pretty damned good about being able to potentially claim a Best Actor Oscar knowing Denzel wants him for The Piano Lesson. As soon as that goes into production, SLJ has to be one of the early favorites for Best Actor, probably. I'm excited to see what other filmmakers Denzel can rope into this. I was wondering (and hoping) if he's been trying to court Barry Jenkins for one of these projects. I feel like he's going to go with a mixture of trusted theatre directors he knows or has worked with ( like George C Wolfe, who directed Denzel on stage in The Iceman Cometh) and established film auteurs ( Barry Jenkins, Ryan Coogler, Ava Duvernay, Spike Lee etc). Obviously, the latter auteur selection will be more exciting to film buffs, but he's doing something great by giving African-American theatre directors the chance to direct at this level in film, that they otherwise might never get. A lot of people poo-poohed someone like Wolfe being allowed to helm Ma Rainy's Black Bottom, because he has never been given top tier film material to direct (unlike in theatre), but he repaid Denzel's faith in him by delivering one of the most acclaimed films of the year (and maybe having a second act career as a prestige film director as a result). My feeling is we'll also see someone like Kenny Leon (who directed Denzel on stage in Fences and A Raisin In The Sun) get the chance with a Wilson film to move into the big leagues as a movie director.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 23, 2020 18:07:37 GMT
Agreed. He has 8 more of these to go, so plenty of time to get in less starry names for big roles (I know I talked about Wendell Pierce being perfect for Jitney).But on the other hand, I understand the need for "star" casting for these films. They are all based on stage plays, which is an instant negative for many, especially if you don't know who the main actors in it are. There is probably a pressure to make the first few Wilson films "events" to justify the budget/awards campaigning etc. For play adaptations, easiest way to make the film an event is to cast names, because it all comes down to the acting. But hopefully, a few films down the line there will be enough confidence in the August Wilson brand by itself, that you can take a chance with casting some less starry names in the lead parts. Oh yeah, it's definitely a "damned if you, damned if don't" type situation when it comes to casting the leads, which is why it's good that almost all of the supporting and or minor characters are often played by actors you probably never even heard of. Who knows, one of them could pop?! To be fair, Jovan Adepo's career has already been made by Fences, and he was pretty much an unknown when cast by Denzel. But his profile is rising, and with his excellent, Emmy nominated performance in Watchmen, it's very likely he has a big career ahead of him.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 23, 2020 18:21:37 GMT
I'm excited to see what other filmmakers Denzel can rope into this. I was wondering (and hoping) if he's been trying to court Barry Jenkins for one of these projects. I feel like he's going to go with a mixture of trusted theatre directors he knows or has worked with ( like George C Wolfe, who directed Denzel on stage in The Iceman Cometh) and established film auteurs ( Barry Jenkins, Ryan Coogler, Ava Duvernay, Spike Lee etc). Obviously, the latter auteur selection will be more exciting to film buffs, but he's doing something great by giving African-American theatre directors the chance to direct at this level in film, that they otherwise might never get. A lot of people poo-poohed someone like Wolfe being allowed to helm Ma Rainy's Black Bottom, because he has never been given top tier film material to direct (unlike in theatre), but he repaid Denzel's faith in him by delivering one of the most acclaimed films of the year (and maybe having a second act career as a prestige film director as a result). My feeling is we'll also see someone like Kenny Leon (who directed Denzel on stage in Fences and A Raisin In The Sun) get the chance with a Wilson film to move into the big leagues as a movie director. Agreed..I'm happy for Wolfe..a legend in the theater scene getting an opportunity like this. Good on Denzel for selecting him, they got along well during The Iceman Cometh, so its cool to see. I remember Denzel mentioning he's already talk to Spike Lee about directing one of them, so its just a matter of which one that would be. I can see Kenny Leon being the other theater director Denzel gives one of these projects to. But like you said its the ones with the film auteurs directing that will get the film community really excited about.
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Post by stephen on Nov 23, 2020 18:27:20 GMT
I feel like he's going to go with a mixture of trusted theatre directors he knows or has worked with ( like George C Wolfe, who directed Denzel on stage in The Iceman Cometh) and established film auteurs ( Barry Jenkins, Ryan Coogler, Ava Duvernay, Spike Lee etc). Obviously, the latter auteur selection will be more exciting to film buffs, but he's doing something great by giving African-American theatre directors the chance to direct at this level in film, that they otherwise might never get. A lot of people poo-poohed someone like Wolfe being allowed to helm Ma Rainy's Black Bottom, because he has never been given top tier film material to direct (unlike in theatre), but he repaid Denzel's faith in him by delivering one of the most acclaimed films of the year (and maybe having a second act career as a prestige film director as a result). My feeling is we'll also see someone like Kenny Leon (who directed Denzel on stage in Fences and A Raisin In The Sun) get the chance with a Wilson film to move into the big leagues as a movie director. Another reason why it's a tragedy we lost John Singleton so soon. I imagine he would've crushed an August Wilson adaptation.
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Post by quetee on Nov 25, 2020 3:35:43 GMT
A film is out of the poll if it gets zero votes? How does it work?? Yep. If it gets zero votes then it is out.
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