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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 1:47:05 GMT
So...it wasn't half bad. In fact, it was fairly entertaining. Now, I wouldn't consider myself exactly a fan of the original anime. It's dope, yeah, and this film takes some of what made that film stand out a little more "Hollywood", but I won't act like they ruined it or made some great int something inferior. In some cases, it works to the movie's favor when it builds (or deviates) from its source material. HOWEVER...the film's essential justification to quell the whitewashing complaints is basically giving the originally Japanese Motoko Kusanagi a white woman's skin after they rebuilt her into a cyborg. I wouldn't have cared otherwise, but that's basically what it feels like. And I get the whole casting shit, that never really bothered me (not like Death Note, which is really less about Light being white but more that's he's played by Nat fucking Wolff of all people...but I digress), but this is basically trying to make up for the complaints, honestly, and it comes off kinda corny. Other than that, Batou is still as badass as I remember from the anime. I say check it out, even if it's on TV or online.
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Post by Martin Stett on Apr 1, 2017 4:39:08 GMT
Have you seen the TV show Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex? I'm working through it right now. I'm not sure it works as a whole, but all of the individual episodes are pretty terrific by themselves. It's a mixture of great action pieces and philosophizing, but it's far less navel-gazey than the '95 movie in the way the show goes about the philosophy, and the action isn't just "this looks cool," but rather "this is an action that this character would take right now."
As a whole, though, the characters don't seem to be growing at all, and the "main plot" is completely nonsensical. Doesn't matter when you're hooked through every event as it happens, though.
As for the movie... I really have no interest in watching it. The trailer made me gag, and I feel I would have felt just the same if I weren't a huge fan of the '95 film.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 12:53:25 GMT
Have you seen the TV show Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex? I'm working through it right now. I'm not sure it works as a whole, but all of the individual episodes are pretty terrific by themselves. It's a mixture of great action pieces and philosophizing, but it's far less navel-gazey than the '95 movie in the way the show goes about the philosophy, and the action isn't just "this looks cool," but rather "this is an action that this character would take right now." As a whole, though, the characters don't seem to be growing at all, and the "main plot" is completely nonsensical. Doesn't matter when you're hooked through every event as it happens, though. As for the movie... I really have no interest in watching it. The trailer made me gag, and I feel I would have felt just the same if I weren't a huge fan of the '95 film. I have not seen the show, just the original movie. I may see the show at some point and the sequels at some point.
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Post by harlequinade on Apr 1, 2017 17:01:35 GMT
Batou was really the best thing about this movie, other than the soundtrack
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 1, 2017 18:45:00 GMT
not a huge fan of anime here. should I watch the original first?
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Post by harlequinade on Apr 1, 2017 19:05:23 GMT
not a huge fan of anime here. should I watch the original first? I never seen it either and I had no trouble following the plot. I think maybe I even liked the movie more than I would if I saw the original, as apparently there is more substance there There was one thing, though, that was completely incomprehensible to me: Pitt's idea that the network of humans would allow him to live on, I have no idea what the hell was that about
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Post by CookiesNCream on Apr 2, 2017 0:13:25 GMT
That's cool. I may consider checking this one out later, once after it finish its cinematic run.
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Post by Brother Fease on Apr 2, 2017 18:11:20 GMT
So...it wasn't half bad. In fact, it was fairly entertaining. Now, I wouldn't consider myself exactly a fan of the original anime. It's dope, yeah, and this film takes some of what made that film stand out a little more "Hollywood", but I won't act like they ruined it or made some great int something inferior. In some cases, it works to the movie's favor when it builds (or deviates) from its source material. HOWEVER...the film's essential justification to quell the whitewashing complaints is basically giving the originally Japanese Motoko Kusanagi a white woman's skin after they rebuilt her into a cyborg. I wouldn't have cared otherwise, but that's basically what it feels like. And I get the whole casting shit, that never really bothered me (not like Death Note, which is really less about Light being white but more that's he's played by Nat fucking Wolff of all people...but I digress), but this is basically trying to make up for the complaints, honestly, and it comes off kinda corny. Other than that, Batou is still as badass as I remember from the anime. I say check it out, even if it's on TV or online. I liked the film. It wasn't great. It probably will not make my top 10 of 2017, but it was definitely worth the ticket price. Johanson's performance and the visuals really blew me away, and I definitely recommend it for that. As for the controversy, it's not at all justified. The filmmakers needed a major American star to fill the role and encourage people to go to the theater. If they didn't, there's no way they could justify the 110 million budget. The film itself didn't need The Major to be Asian. She was designed (in the film and magna) to be whatever person the designers wanted her to be. They could have made her black or Mexican. It didn't matter. In fact, the creator of the original Ghost in the Shell film said that The Major didn't have to be Asian, and it was politically driven controversy. In Asia, virtually nobody is complaining about Johanson playing the lead role. It's only driven by American complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 22:03:40 GMT
So...it wasn't half bad. In fact, it was fairly entertaining. Now, I wouldn't consider myself exactly a fan of the original anime. It's dope, yeah, and this film takes some of what made that film stand out a little more "Hollywood", but I won't act like they ruined it or made some great int something inferior. In some cases, it works to the movie's favor when it builds (or deviates) from its source material. HOWEVER...the film's essential justification to quell the whitewashing complaints is basically giving the originally Japanese Motoko Kusanagi a white woman's skin after they rebuilt her into a cyborg. I wouldn't have cared otherwise, but that's basically what it feels like. And I get the whole casting shit, that never really bothered me (not like Death Note, which is really less about Light being white but more that's he's played by Nat fucking Wolff of all people...but I digress), but this is basically trying to make up for the complaints, honestly, and it comes off kinda corny. Other than that, Batou is still as badass as I remember from the anime. I say check it out, even if it's on TV or online. I liked the film. It wasn't great. It probably will not make my top 10 of 2017, but it was definitely worth the ticket price. Johanson's performance and the visuals really blew me away, and I definitely recommend it for that. As for the controversy, it's not at all justified. The filmmakers needed a major American star to fill the role and encourage people to go to the theater. If they didn't, there's no way they could justify the 110 million budget. The film itself didn't need The Major to be Asian. She was designed (in the film and magna) to be whatever person the designers wanted her to be. They could have made her black or Mexican. It didn't matter. In fact, the creator of the original Ghost in the Shell film said that The Major didn't have to be Asian, and it was politically driven controversy. In Asia, virtually nobody is complaining about Johanson playing the lead role. It's only driven by American complaining. Lol, its a Japanese setting, Japanese material, and shes literally playing a Japanese woman
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Post by Brother Fease on Apr 3, 2017 0:36:34 GMT
Lol, its a Japanese setting, Japanese material, and shes literally playing a Japanese woman Yes, it's a Japanese setting, Japanese material, and playing a Japanese woman, but that doesn't mean The Major needs to be Asian. No where in the source material does it require her to be played by a Japanese actress or Asian actress for that matter. I see no legitimate counter punch here.
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Post by fujiwarafan on Apr 5, 2017 9:48:47 GMT
The only good thing was the cast (except Pitt), which was excellent considering the little material the actors had to work with, especially Asbaek, who is able to capture perfectly the nature of Batou, and Marinca. That said, it's just a very bad film.
They took away all the philosophical basis and concepts to bring up a very superficial thriller directed specifically for American teenagers (the scene in which Pitt shoots the robot with his hand it's so ridiculous, like "Look how cool I am, I'm a rebel against the system wow").
In the original, the Puppetmaster is so subtle and elegant, it doesn't have a body, its being is in the net and there is the whole structure of what is a being, what is political asylum etc. He doesn't have a trivial goal and it's there for Motoko to upgrade in a new essence in the quest for reproduction. Also, Motoko herself struggles to find an identity in the self because she's not human, therefore every dialogue and aspect is leant towards the universal, the general, the great wonder of humanity, while in this film it's just about them, their past and nothing more. Very childish. Not to mention the scene in which Motoko and the Puppermaster decide to form a new being... in this film it's transformed in a sort of love escape from the "evil" world WTF.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 5, 2017 10:30:49 GMT
Lol, its a Japanese setting, Japanese material, and shes literally playing a Japanese woman Yes, it's a Japanese setting, Japanese material, and playing a Japanese woman, but that doesn't mean The Major needs to be Asian. No where in the source material does it require her to be played by a Japanese actress or Asian actress for that matter. I see no legitimate counter punch here. "the race thing is not handled very well in this live-action adaptation of one of the greatest anime movies ever made, Ghost in the Shell. Both films are set in Hong Kong" www.thestranger.com/film/2017/03/29/25050725/ghost-in-the-shell-asian-city-too-whiteIn addition, so much for Japanese setting.
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Post by ohbananas91 on Apr 5, 2017 13:33:49 GMT
I found it enjoyable too, but a bit slow at some parts. Never seen the anime either so i am not really sure how it compares to the original source material. I don't think I will watch it again though.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 5, 2017 15:10:55 GMT
Yes, it's a Japanese setting, Japanese material, and playing a Japanese woman, but that doesn't mean The Major needs to be Asian. No where in the source material does it require her to be played by a Japanese actress or Asian actress for that matter. I see no legitimate counter punch here. "the race thing is not handled very well in this live-action adaptation of one of the greatest anime movies ever made, Ghost in the Shell. Both films are set in Hong Kong" www.thestranger.com/film/2017/03/29/25050725/ghost-in-the-shell-asian-city-too-whiteIn addition, so much for Japanese setting. New Port City (the fictional city Ghost in the Shell takes place in) is set in Japan but the design of the city is based on Hong Kong.
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Post by Pavan on Apr 8, 2017 13:12:36 GMT
The only good thing was the cast (except Pitt), which was excellent considering the little material the actors had to work with, especially Asbaek, who is able to capture perfectly the nature of Batou, and Marinca. That said, it's just a very bad film. They took away all the philosophical basis and concepts to bring up a very superficial thriller directed specifically for American teenagers (the scene in which Pitt shoots the robot with his hand it's so ridiculous, like "Look how cool I am, I'm a rebel against the system wow"). In the original, the Puppetmaster is so subtle and elegant, it doesn't have a body, its being is in the net and there is the whole structure of what is a being, what is political asylum etc. He doesn't have a trivial goal and it's there for Motoko to upgrade in a new essence in the quest for reproduction. Also, Motoko herself struggles to find an identity in the self because she's not human, therefore every dialogue and aspect is leant towards the universal, the general, the great wonder of humanity, while in this film it's just about them, their past and nothing more. Very childish. Not to mention the scene in which Motoko and the Puppermaster decide to form a new being... in this film it's transformed in a sort of love escape from the "evil" world WTF. All of this They tried to internationalize the film to appeal worldwide and gave Major a past to address the whitewashing i suppose. The philosophical themes are barely even touched which is the prime gripe i have with this. Original film is about Major's future and existential crisis. Here she has a past and the focus is on getting the mother sentiment right. And they left the puppet master out, a character that i felt was creepy. I went to the movie excited to see him but man i was disappointed seeing this Kuze guy. Sanders got the aesthetic of it right. There are scenes that are exact copy from the original. Johansson gave a committed performance.
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Post by nic-dreadwolf-marling on Apr 8, 2017 14:54:58 GMT
It's a shame that the "whitewashing" controversy has doomed this film as it's quite good. When judged on it's own merit's it succeeds in many areas. The cast is very good, direction is adequate though nothing flashy, the techs are great, the story is interesting, and the action is fun. Johansson carries the film well and delivers a very good performance. Can't really ask for too much more from an action flick. The explanation as to why Major is a white woman makes sense. Why would they recreate these people to look exactly the same? What if they were recognized? They changed everything about their appearance attempting to hide who they were. Makes sense and it works. Unfortunate this wont get a sequel. The world building was done very well and the whole project is greatly entertaining over all.
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