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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 5, 2020 21:50:45 GMT
I thought about this poll because of some of the other polls we've done lately where there's an "Oscar disparity" but people may like the person with the lower Oscar totals (like in the Blanchett/Swinton matchup) and I thought of these 2 guys......each with 2 nods ....but one has 2 wins..... Both the same age......46........both do all 3 mediums and......... Ali has an Emmy nomination too.......Shannon has a Tony nomination and he does theater almost every season. Who is your favorite out of these 2 guys? Vote and comments welcome...... Side note: Shannon is in Nicole Kidman's next show - so if he can snag an Emmy nod he'll have nods in all 3 Triple Crown awards (Emmy/Oscar/Tony) - no wins in any......an odd group that includes Adam Driver, Annette Bening, Sigourney Weaver and up until a few weeks ago Mark Ruffalo who just won an Emmy.   |
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Post by stephen on Oct 5, 2020 22:01:40 GMT
Shannon has more hits to his name than Ali (Boardwalk Empire, Take Shelter, Bug, Shotgun Stories versus Moonlight and True Detective), but in terms of comparing their Oscar-nominated work, Ali thrashes him.
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Post by franklin on Oct 5, 2020 22:10:03 GMT
Easily Micheal Shannon, not even a contest.
8 Mile
Revolutionary Road
Boardwalk Empire
The Runaways
Take Shelter
The Iceman
Mud
Man of Steel
99 Homes
Midnight Special
Nocturnal Animals
The Shape of Water
One of the greatest of his generation.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 5, 2020 22:12:35 GMT
Shannon has more hits to his name than Ali ( Boardwalk Empire, Take Shelter, Bug, Shotgun Stories versus Moonlight and True Detective), but in terms of comparing their Oscar-nominated work, Ali thrashes him. Can't even agree with Shannon having more hits than Ali.
House Of Cards was massive, and Ali had a major role in several of the seasons. Luke Cage was a huge hit while it was on the air, and Ali was the main villain in the first season. Hidden Figures. Green Book. Both are great actors, but while both can play great heavys, Ali is just easily and naturally more sympathetic and convincing in protagonist roles that demand the audience to invest in him, so he has a significantly bigger toolbox to work with. Has to be Ali. |
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Post by stephen on Oct 5, 2020 22:43:01 GMT
Shannon has more hits to his name than Ali ( Boardwalk Empire, Take Shelter, Bug, Shotgun Stories versus Moonlight and True Detective), but in terms of comparing their Oscar-nominated work, Ali thrashes him. Can't even agree with Shannon having more hits than Ali.
House Of Cards was massive, and Ali had a major role in several of the seasons. Luke Cage was a huge hit while it was on the air, and Ali was the main villain in the first season. Hidden Figures. Green Book. Both are great actors, but while both can play great heavys, Ali is just easily and naturally more sympathetic and convincing in protagonist roles that demand the audience to invest in him, so he has a significantly bigger toolbox to work with. Has to be Ali. Even if you compare all of those performances to the ones I listed from Shannon, again, I think Shannon wins out. It's not by much, but still. I think Ali is definitely capable of more for sure (and I would rate True Detective as the real shining star of his catalogue, not his Oscar wins), but I think Shannon still beats him out just because he's had more opportunities. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 5, 2020 22:47:55 GMT
Can't even agree with Shannon having more hits than Ali.
House Of Cards was massive, and Ali had a major role in several of the seasons. Luke Cage was a huge hit while it was on the air, and Ali was the main villain in the first season. Hidden Figures. Green Book. Both are great actors, but while both can play great heavys, Ali is just easily and naturally more sympathetic and convincing in protagonist roles that demand the audience to invest in him, so he has a significantly bigger toolbox to work with. Has to be Ali. Even if you compare all of those performances to the ones I listed from Shannon, again, I think Shannon wins out. It's not by much, but still. I think Ali is definitely capable of more for sure (and I would rate True Detective as the real shining star of his catalogue, not his Oscar wins), but I think Shannon still beats him out just because he's had more opportunities. Respecfully disagree. I think Ali has had enough opportunities at this point to know what he is capable of and to show an extremely broad range. Shannon is great, but he's clearly got a more limited toolbox to work with. I'm pretty confident Ali could nail almost every role Shannon has played. I couldn't with any confidence say the reverse about Shannon. He's done a lot of great work, but it tends to stick to a more limited palette than Ali, where it's primarily heavies and malcontents. Shannon in True Detective would be a fatally disastrous piece of casting. |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Oct 5, 2020 22:50:42 GMT
It's amazing what Ali has accomplished in just the second part of the 10s decade alone with Luke Cage, Moonlight, Green Book, True Detective, etc. and already has 2 Oscars to his name and the scary thing is I think he's just scratching the surface of his potential and I know he's a very ambitious actor as well in wanting to be a leading man in movies/tv series, etc. Just now starting to get opportunities in big projects such as the Blade reboot, etc as the lead. I like Michael Shannon as well, but Ali is something else. I'll go with Ali.
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Post by stephen on Oct 5, 2020 22:52:27 GMT
Even if you compare all of those performances to the ones I listed from Shannon, again, I think Shannon wins out. It's not by much, but still. I think Ali is definitely capable of more for sure (and I would rate True Detective as the real shining star of his catalogue, not his Oscar wins), but I think Shannon still beats him out just because he's had more opportunities. Respecfully disagree. I think Ali has had enough opportunities at this point to know what he is capable of and to show an extremely broad range. Shannon is great, but he's clearly got a more limited toolbox to work with. I'm pretty confident Ali could nail almost every role Shannon has played. I couldn't with any confidence say the reverse about Shannon. He's done a lot of great work, but it tends to stick to a more limited palette than Ali, where it's primarily heavies and malcontents. If you want to ask me who the better actor is, I probably would agree it's Ali. I never said anything to the contrary. I'm just saying that if I'm judging their peaks, I prefer Shannon's. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 6, 2020 1:06:46 GMT
Shannon is good, and he's given a lot of great performances, but often I think he falls back on the "bug-eye" too much for my tastes. It would be nice if he could lighten it up more often (that's actually ironically what made Pottersville such a crazy awful delight to me). Ali in comparison is a really confident actor who kinda came out of nowhere (I'm actually shocked when I learned he was 43!!!, although I guess I shouldn't be surprised), and has really sky-rocketed to the top as one of my favorite actors working today.
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Post by TerryMontana on Oct 6, 2020 5:37:05 GMT
Not two of my favorites but I find Shannon more talented and fun to watch.
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Post by jakesully on Oct 6, 2020 14:10:28 GMT
I went with the guy that has the Oscar.
While I love Shannon's filmography and his acting overall, his hammy / damn near Razzie performance as General Zod in Man of Steel knocks him down a bit. Seriously, that was so bad haha.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 6, 2020 17:35:02 GMT
Shannon without a doubt. But it's kind of an unfair comparison. Shannon got his first Oscar nom in 2007 and Ali didn't really break until 2016. Shannon has had a lot of time to work out his shtick in a lot of meaty roles. Ali is really solid IMO from what we've seen already, but Moonlight, Green Book, and what else... True Detective?? ehhh. Ramy? haven't seen... that limited sampling can't compete with Shannon's filmography.
They're also very different actors. Shannon is very intense/steely (sometimes to the point of camp) and is always a lot of fun to watch even in bad films (Premium Rush), Ali is soulful with a more restrained intensity.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 6, 2020 17:56:17 GMT
Shannon without a doubt. But it's kind of an unfair comparison. Shannon got his first Oscar nom in 2007 and Ali didn't really break until 2016. Shannon has had a lot of time to work out his shtick in a lot of meaty roles. Ali is really solid IMO from what we've seen already, but Moonlight, Green Book, and what else... True Detective?? ehhh. Ramy? haven't seen... that limited sampling can't compete with Shannon's filmography. I feel like a lot of people here haven't seen just how much first rate work Ali has done. I think he's done more than enough to compete with Shannon's filmography. But people need to actually seek out his work. Ali was incredible as Cottonmouth on the first season of Luke Cage. The runaway MVP of that show's season. As frightening and charasmatic a villain as any Shannon has played (and perhaps more nuanced), and he should have won (or at least been nomimated) for an Emmy. He was easily holding his own against Kevin Spacey for several seasons of House Of Cards. He was great in Treme. Ali did not come out of nowhere. He was building his reputation as a brilliant actor on television for many years. The work is out there. It makes more sense to simply say you haven't seen enough of Ali's work, than to say he hasn't got enough of it. He's got enough, especially with his television stuff added in the mix. The guy has 49 acting credits on IMDB and has been great in several shows and movies. The notion that he hasn't got a body of work or performances to stack up against Shannon feels almost ridiculous to me. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 6, 2020 18:29:52 GMT
Shannon without a doubt. But it's kind of an unfair comparison. Shannon got his first Oscar nom in 2007 and Ali didn't really break until 2016. Shannon has had a lot of time to work out his shtick in a lot of meaty roles. Ali is really solid IMO from what we've seen already, but Moonlight, Green Book, and what else... True Detective?? ehhh. Ramy? haven't seen... that limited sampling can't compete with Shannon's filmography. I feel like a lot of people here haven't seen just how much first rate work Ali has done. I think he's done more than enough to compete with Shannon's filmography. But people need to actually seek out his work. Ali was incredible as Cottonmouth on the first season of Luke Cage. The runaway MVP of that show's season. As frightening and charasmatic a villain as any Shannon has played (and perhaps more nuanced), and he should have won (or at least been nomimated) for an Emmy. He was easily holding his own against Kevin Spacey for several seasons of House Of Cards. He was great in Treme. Ali did not come out of nowhere. He was building his reputation as a brilliant actor on television for many years. The work is out there. It makes more sense to simply say you haven't seen enough of Ali's work, than to say he hasn't got enough of it. He's got enough, especially with his television stuff added in the mix. The guy has 49 acting credits on IMDB and has been great in several shows and movies. The notion that he hasn't got a body of work or performances to stack up against Shannon feels almost ridiculous to me. Yeah it's easy to forget just how much of a weird presence Ali had as a struggling actor before his breakout in Moonlight. Like I remember him in retrospect a lot more as Brad Pitt's adopted father in Benjamin Button, and in Predators, and he was working in TV a lot longer before he even got his first real movie role. |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Oct 6, 2020 18:47:21 GMT
I feel like a lot of people here haven't seen just how much first rate work Ali has done. I think he's done more than enough to compete with Shannon's filmography. But people need to actually seek out his work. Ali was incredible as Cottonmouth on the first season of Luke Cage. The runaway MVP of that show's season. As frightening and charasmatic a villain as any Shannon has played (and perhaps more nuanced), and he should have won (or at least been nomimated) for an Emmy. He was easily holding his own against Kevin Spacey for several seasons of House Of Cards. He was great in Treme. Ali did not come out of nowhere. He was building his reputation as a brilliant actor on television for many years. The work is out there. It makes more sense to simply say you haven't seen enough of Ali's work, than to say he hasn't got enough of it. He's got enough, especially with his television stuff added in the mix. The guy has 49 acting credits on IMDB and has been great in several shows and movies. The notion that he hasn't got a body of work or performances to stack up against Shannon feels almost ridiculous to me. Yeah it's easy to forget just how much of a weird presence Ali had as a struggling actor before his breakout in Moonlight. Like I remember him in retrospect a lot more as Brad Pitt's adopted father in Benjamin Button, and in Predators, and he was working in TV a lot longer before he even got his first real movie role. Yeah, he also was in that SyFy tv show The 4400 back in the day, and had small parts in The Place Beyond The Pines, etc. Dude had paid his dues. He was the "that guy" character actor where you've felt you seen him before but didn't know his name and now in 4 years he's two-time Oscar winner Mahershala Ali that's going to be the new Blade. Past few years have been good for his career. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 6, 2020 18:53:52 GMT
Yeah it's easy to forget just how much of a weird presence Ali had as a struggling actor before his breakout in Moonlight. Like I remember him in retrospect a lot more as Brad Pitt's adopted father in Benjamin Button, and in Predators, and he was working in TV a lot longer before he even got his first real movie role. Yeah, he also was in that SyFy tv show The 4400 back in the day, and had small parts in The Place Beyond The Pines, etc. Dude had paid his dues. He was the "that guy" character actor where you've felt you seen him before but didn't know his name and now in 4 years he's two-time Oscar winner Mahershala Ali that's going to be the new Blade. Past few years have been good for his career. He even had a role in a little seen John Sayles indie in 2013 as well, which no doubt was a good acting experience for him. Couldn't be happier for him too. He's a great actor, and he deserves all his recent success. |
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 6, 2020 19:50:31 GMT
Ali is great in Green Book, very good in his True Detective, but otherwise overrated. Didn't care for his Moonlight perf, and something lesser seen like Roxanne Roxanne his perf is so awkward and implausible it suggests a limitation to what he can pull off.
Shannon has more strong perfs at this point, and that resigned scowl he's made his own..... Boardwalk Empire was a surprise and adaptive perf bc he matched the really stretched writing of that character; he made it interesting. And he's really underrated in The Little Drummer Girl.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 6, 2020 20:11:21 GMT
Ali is great in Green Book, very good in his True Detective, but otherwise overrated. Didn't care for his Moonlight perf, and something lesser seen like Roxanne Roxanne his perf is so awkward and implausible it suggests a limitation to what he can pull off. Shannon has more strong perfs at this point, and that resigned scowl he's made his own..... Boardwalk Empire was a surprise and adaptive perf bc he matched the really stretched writing of that character; he made it interesting. And he's really underrated in The Little Drummer Girl. Have you seen Luke Cage (season 1) or Treme?I'd go as far as to say Luke Cage is Ali's best performance. Better than both of his Oscar winning performances. It was a tremendously meaty and complex role that would be a gift to any actor. The more I actually investigated Ali's TV work, the more apparent to me it became that he can pull almost anything off. I think he has a significantly more expansive range than Shannon. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 7, 2020 1:11:36 GMT
Shannon, and yes I’ve seen almost all of Ali’s work.
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