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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 21:01:01 GMT
What do you think such a list would look like (women who made their screen debut after 1950)? I'm guessing, alphabetically (not ranked at all): Julie Andrews Anne Bancroft Brigitte Bardot Cate Blanchett Sandra Bullock Julie Christie Glenn Close Catherine Deneuve Faye Dunaway Jane Fonda Jodie Foster Whoopi Goldberg Angelina Jolie Diane Keaton Nicole Kidman Jessica Lange Shirley MacLaine Liza Minnelli Michelle Pfeiffer Julia Roberts Susan Sarandon Meryl Streep Barbra Streisand Sigourney Weaver Kate Winslet Who do you think would be added/subtracted? We can do a male one, too!
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2020 21:09:31 GMT
Sissy Spacek and Viola Davis would likely be on the list.
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 6, 2020 21:17:32 GMT
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2020 21:18:08 GMT
To be fair, she's on the original list.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 21:21:26 GMT
She qualified for the Golden Age list because her death had already marked a completed body of work. She's number three there, after only K. Hepburn and Bette Davis.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 6, 2020 21:22:13 GMT
Tbh I never really know what "Greatest" ever means - like I know it's being starry/influential/major but it's so vague - I know what "Best" means or "Most Talented"......but "Greatest" is so vague - maybe favorite factors into it.......Whoopi Goldberg's name sticks out a bit as "really?" to me - is it to have a POC on it........over Berry? I mean they both have an Oscar but Berry has the big one.......and like I can't stand Meg Ryan but she seems more right for the list than both of them........although I don't know what the list means so maybe not. Whatever "Greatest" means I can't see not having the "best" actress on the list (Huppert)....but that's just me....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 21:25:26 GMT
Sissy Spacek and Viola Davis would likely be on the list. Spacek I could possibly see... She lacks an iconic "signature" role, though - like, say, Sally Field ( Norma Rae) or Bette Midler ( The Rose) who I also considered listing. I suppose you could argue Coal Miner's Daughter, but Loretta Lynn is an actual living person. Viola Davis I don't see at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 21:32:58 GMT
Tbh I never really know what "Greatest" ever means - like I know it's being starry/influential/major but it's so vague - I know what "Best" means or "Most Talented"......but "Greatest" is so vague - maybe favorite factors into it.......Whoopi Goldberg's name sticks out a bit as "really?" to me - is it to have a POC on it........over Berry? I mean they both have an Oscar but Berry has the big one.......and like I can't stand Meg Ryan but she seems more right for the list than both of them........although I don't know what the list means so maybe not. Whatever "Greatest" means I can't see not having the "best" actress on the list (Huppert)....but that's just me.... Whoopi was huge in the late 80s and 90s - she became the highest paid female (regardless of color) actor with the sequel to Sister Act. Berry certainly looks more like a movie star, but her celebrity exploded in the early Aughts and then quickly faded... I can see an argument for Meg Ryan. No one really thinks of her anymore, though...
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2020 21:36:34 GMT
Sissy Spacek and Viola Davis would likely be on the list. Spacek I could possibly see... She lacks an iconic "signature" role, though Carrie is as iconic and signature a role as you can get.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 21:37:30 GMT
Spacek I could possibly see... She lacks an iconic "signature" role, though Carrie is as iconic and signature a role as you can get. Yes... Wow. How could I forget? Really not sure who I would bump to include her, though.
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Post by dadsburgers on Aug 6, 2020 22:06:11 GMT
The lack of Julianne Moore stings
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Post by MsMovieStar on Aug 6, 2020 22:22:35 GMT
Oh honey, Judy Davis.
It hurts that you think my work is of no value... but you should at least include Fran, who has two Academy Awards, two Emmy Awards and a Tony Award, making her one of the few performers to achieve the Triple Crown of Acting! Is all that less important than Nicole's flops?
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 6, 2020 23:25:13 GMT
What do you think such a list would look like (women who made their screen debut after 1950)? I'm guessing, alphabetically (not ranked at all): Julie Andrews Anne Bancroft Brigitte Bardot Cate Blanchett Sandra Bullock Julie Christie Glenn Close Catherine Deneuve Faye Dunaway Jane Fonda Jodie Foster Whoopi Goldberg Angelina Jolie Diane Keaton Nicole Kidman Jessica Lange Shirley MacLaine Liza Minnelli Michelle Pfeiffer Julia Roberts Susan Sarandon Meryl Streep Barbra Streisand Sigourney Weaver Kate Winslet Who do you think would be added/subtracted? We can do a male one, too! I can see Bancroft, Minnelli, Bardot and Denueve all missing (the latter two especially because their importance was more to international cinema, than it was to American cinema. If the criteria stayed the same, they'd be at a disadvantage). As someone said, Viola Davis would probably make the cut today. Regina King is borderline now, as she's becoming a really important star in recent years, and within a few years could become a first ballot pick. Reese Witherspoon would almost certainly make the cut. Cameron Diaz is borderline. Helen Mirren is borderline, but could make the cut. And I feel like Charlize Theron would probably get in, but she is also borderline. Halle Berry as well. She is a hail mary pick, but for some reason I feel like Laura Dern could get a lot of unexpected votes to sneak onto a list like this. But she is more longshot than borderline.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 6, 2020 23:34:47 GMT
The lack of Julianne Moore stings If you look at the original AFI list, Moore would probably be a Deborah Kerr type of omission (Kerr didn't make the cut either). Highly respected as actresses with solid legacies, but maybe not exciting enough as a "star" in the long run for people to vote on a list where star wattage matters just as much, if not more than acting accolades.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 6, 2020 23:48:02 GMT
What do you think such a list would look like (women who made their screen debut after 1950)? I'm guessing, alphabetically (not ranked at all): Julie Andrews Anne Bancroft Brigitte Bardot Cate Blanchett Sandra Bullock Julie Christie Glenn Close Catherine Deneuve Faye Dunaway Jane Fonda Jodie Foster Whoopi Goldberg Angelina Jolie Diane Keaton Nicole Kidman Jessica Lange Shirley MacLaine Liza Minnelli Michelle Pfeiffer Julia Roberts Susan Sarandon Meryl Streep Barbra Streisand Sigourney Weaver Kate Winslet Who do you think would be added/subtracted? We can do a male one, too! I can see Bancroft, Minnelli, Bardot and Denueve all missing (the latter two especially because their importance was more to international cinema, than it was to American cinema. If the criteria stayed the same, they'd be at a disadvantage). As someone said, Viola Davis would probably make the cut today. Regina King is borderline now, as she's becoming a really important star in recent years, and within a few years could become a first ballot pick. Reese Witherspoon would almost certainly make the cut. Cameron Diaz is borderline. Helen Mirren is borderline, but could make the cut. And I feel like Charlize Theron would probably get in, but she is also borderline. Halle Berry as well. She is a hail mary pick, but for some reason I feel like Laura Dern could get a lot of unexpected to sneak onto a list like this. But she is more longshot than borderline. Witherspoon definitely could make it in, especially as of late. Theron more then likely, absolutely. Viola Davis has gotten more prominence within the last decade, and she's considered one of the great actresses of her generation, so there's a good chance she could make it into a modern version of the list. Diaz maybe, she has retired, but for a while she was considered one of the big comedic actresses, even if it a lot of the movies she did were considered "inconsequential". As for Helen Mirren, she might be of a different much older generation then any of the names already mentioned, but there is an argument to be made for her. Not sure about Berry, though. Her filmography might be considered too mediocre overall, for her to really make an impact, even if she has given some very respectable performances in the past.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 7, 2020 0:00:10 GMT
I can see Bancroft, Minnelli, Bardot and Denueve all missing (the latter two especially because their importance was more to international cinema, than it was to American cinema. If the criteria stayed the same, they'd be at a disadvantage). As someone said, Viola Davis would probably make the cut today. Regina King is borderline now, as she's becoming a really important star in recent years, and within a few years could become a first ballot pick. Reese Witherspoon would almost certainly make the cut. Cameron Diaz is borderline. Helen Mirren is borderline, but could make the cut. And I feel like Charlize Theron would probably get in, but she is also borderline. Halle Berry as well. She is a hail mary pick, but for some reason I feel like Laura Dern could get a lot of unexpected to sneak onto a list like this. But she is more longshot than borderline. Witherspoon definitely could make it in, especially as of late. Theron more then likely, absolutely. Viola Davis has gotten more prominence within the last decade, and she's considered one of the great actresses of her generation, so there's a good chance she could make it into a modern version of the list. Diaz maybe, she has retired, but for a while she was considered one of the big comedic actresses, even if it a lot of the movies she did were considered "inconsequential". As for Helen Mirren, she might be of a different much older generation then any of the names already mentioned, but there is an argument to be made for her. Not sure about Berry, though. Her filmography might be considered too mediocre overall, for her to really make an impact, even if she has given some very respectable performances in the past. Berry is an important star in American cinema as the only African-American actress to win the Best Actress Oscar. And she was also a genuine box office draw for a few years. Berry is also regarded as an iconic beauty, which carries weight in a ,(theoretical) poll like this. Her filmography is nothing to write home about I agree, but you could say similar for Ava Gardner, who sqeaked onto the the original AFI Top 25 female stars over stronger actresses with better filmograhies like Deborah Kerr and Jean Simmons. Gardner's status as one of the iconic film beauties of her time, probably helped edge her in over better actresses with better filmograhies. I just think Berry has too much going for her in terms of her value/importance of a star and iconic film beauty. She'd stand a very good chance of getting in because she's got iconic intangibles that outweigh her filmography.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 7, 2020 0:09:29 GMT
Witherspoon definitely could make it in, especially as of late. Theron more then likely, absolutely. Viola Davis has gotten more prominence within the last decade, and she's considered one of the great actresses of her generation, so there's a good chance she could make it into a modern version of the list. Diaz maybe, she has retired, but for a while she was considered one of the big comedic actresses, even if it a lot of the movies she did were considered "inconsequential". As for Helen Mirren, she might be of a different much older generation then any of the names already mentioned, but there is an argument to be made for her. Not sure about Berry, though. Her filmography might be considered too mediocre overall, for her to really make an impact, even if she has given some very respectable performances in the past. Berry is an important star in American cinema as the only African-American actress to win the Best Actress Oscar. And she was also a genuine box office draw for a few years. Berry is also regarded as an iconic beauty, which carries weight in a ,(theoretical) poll like this. Her filmography is nothing to write home about I agree, but you could say similar for Ava Gardner, who sqeaked onto the the original AFI Top 25 female stars over stronger actresses with better filmograhies like Deborah Kerr and Jean Simmons. Gardner's status as one of the iconic film beauties of her time, probably helped edge her in over better actresses with better filmograhies. I just think Berry has too much going for her in terms of her value/importance of a star and iconic film beauty. She'd stand a very good chance of getting in because she's got iconic intangibles that outweigh her filmography. Oh yeah Berry definitely deserves consideration, especially if they wanted to add diversity to a modern list. She's also important as an actual glamorous star, and her importance as the first and so far only African American woman to win best actress. The only thing that holds her back is that she's been in some really poorly regarded stinkers, but then again that's not the only reason an actor or actresses would or wouldn't make it onto such a list.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 7, 2020 0:11:41 GMT
Also, she's being overlooked, but Goldie Hawn was a gigantic movie star from the late 70's to the mid-90's. Probably the premiere comic actress of that era. I think she has a great case for inclusion.
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Post by dadsburgers on Aug 7, 2020 1:04:20 GMT
In terms of the most recent actresses, I could see the following in the future: Amy Adams Viola Davis Anne Hathaway Jennifer Lawrence
Maybe Natalie Portman, Saoirse Ronan (or is she not American enough?), Margot Robbie if she maintains her momentum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 2:21:21 GMT
Also, she's being overlooked, but Goldie Hawn was a gigantic movie star from the late 70's to the mid-90's. Probably the premiere comic actress of that era. I think she has a great case for inclusion. Yes, I definitely considered her.
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Post by stephen on Aug 7, 2020 2:47:55 GMT
Carrie is as iconic and signature a role as you can get. Yes... Wow. How could I forget? Really not sure who I would bump to include her, though. I feel like Bardot's essentialness has largely lapsed; she was very much a major factor in her time, but I wouldn't be surprised if most people could name a single film of hers. I also would say Deneuve is far more niche, and I know you won't agree, but I could also argue Julie Christie and Faye Dunaway had periods of glory but largely haven't sustained like most of these others have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 14:14:10 GMT
What about Judi Dench, Helen Mirren, Vanessa Redgrave, or Maggie Smith?
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