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Post by hugobolso on Jul 15, 2020 0:36:34 GMT
This isn't new, but is so awful that America and many countries of the Western Civilization fell in these horrible soviet and goebbelian propaganda. The mob fallin monument of people who lived 200 or more years ago is so disgussting. The removal of statues like Fray Luis Junipero or Queen Isabella is so sad, and not based in historical facts at all, that is even worse, just based on black legends (well maybe now we should call a white legend or whatver).- Columbus, Andrew Jackson, George Washington, the Roosevelts (and there are many), Lincoln, Churchill none is save. Sooner or later Rev. Martin Luther King, Gandhi and Jesus will fall down too.-
This isn't new, that happened 50 years ago, the consequence were 30 bloody years all over the world.- Any thougths?
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Post by Archie on Jul 15, 2020 1:55:27 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 15, 2020 2:06:49 GMT
This isn't new, but is so awful that America and many countries of the Western Civilization fell in these horrible soviet and goebbelian propaganda. The mob fallin monument of people who lived 200 or more years ago is so disgussting. The removal of statues like Fray Luis Junipero or Queen Isabella is so sad, and not based in historical facts at all, that is even worse, just based on black legends (well maybe now we should call a white legend or whatver).- Columbus, Andrew Jackson, George Washington, the Roosevelts (and there are many), Lincoln, Churchill none is save. Sooner or later Rev. Martin Luther King, Gandhi and Jesus will fall down too.- In the US the cancel culture on Twitter or what have you is an obvious huge red flag of cultural idiocy. Now, some of it is relatively minor to me........no one is owed a career after all and people can boycott who they like, companies can fire who they like too....... but it speaks to deeper foundational issues in the US - a loss of God for one thing......... The desire to play God too.......in some ways I'm oblivious to it and don't live my life that way. I am not on Twitter...........I personally don't cancel anyone......... But the toppling of US leaders statues is actually to me far worse - it is the mob emboldened and completely unchecked - statues of Lincoln, Washington and Jefferson being defaced/torn down represents nothing so much as an attempt to rewrite our shared cultural history. To tear down a symbol of those 3 (or Churchill in the UK etc) is to have the height of arrogance......to believe that you are a better person than they were or will ever accomplish one iota of what they did. That behavior is tacitly endorsed by the Democratic party as much as Trump tacitly encourages racism - for the first time in my life the Democratic Party won't get my presidential vote in 2020 (neither will Trump)............. Not solely on this issue but it is a part of it to me. This is grotesqueness personified - and dodging the question personified too : "People do what they do” she says .............an utter coward. Watch as she calls those 3 heroes while virtue signaling her support to the imbecilic mob to "do what you do" .
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 22, 2020 21:01:59 GMT
tends to be overhyped - most people who are "cancelled" are extremely rich and successful and continue to be extremely rich and perhaps a bit less successful. a lot of it ultimately is people facing repercussions for shit that they probably shouldn't have gotten away with in the first place. abel ferrara had some good takes on it (https://theplaylist.net/abel-ferrara-cancel-culture-woody-allen-20200626/). and it's of course very possible for people to move on from being publicly criticized - terry crews has done this on plenty of occasions for example.
digging up stuff people did when they were in high school is probably not good but often somehow works as a litmus test - like yeah if you were homophobic or committed some petty crimes nobody is going to care much when you're in your 30s, but when you try to defend those things which so many people do, eh, gets worse.
lmao just read the actual OP, now we're complaining about STATUES being cancelled? sheesh, how sad can you get.
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Post by Pavan on Jul 23, 2020 6:51:28 GMT
This isn't new, but is so awful that America and many countries of the Western Civilization fell in these horrible soviet and goebbelian propaganda. The mob fallin monument of people who lived 200 or more years ago is so disgussting. The removal of statues like Fray Luis Junipero or Queen Isabella is so sad, and not based in historical facts at all, that is even worse, just based on black legends (well maybe now we should call a white legend or whatver).- Columbus, Andrew Jackson, George Washington, the Roosevelts (and there are many), Lincoln, Churchill none is save. Sooner or later Rev. Martin Luther King, Gandhi and Jesus will fall down too.- This isn't new, that happened 50 years ago, the consequence were 30 bloody years all over the world.- Any thougths? Gandhi is already looked down upon in India. The majority of right wing and some in ruling party sees Gandhi and Nehru as traitors who let Kashmir go away.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 23, 2020 13:36:19 GMT
This isn't new, but is so awful that America and many countries of the Western Civilization fell in these horrible soviet and goebbelian propaganda. The mob fallin monument of people who lived 200 or more years ago is so disgussting. The removal of statues like Fray Luis Junipero or Queen Isabella is so sad, and not based in historical facts at all, that is even worse, just based on black legends (well maybe now we should call a white legend or whatver).- Columbus, Andrew Jackson, George Washington, the Roosevelts (and there are many), Lincoln, Churchill none is save. Sooner or later Rev. Martin Luther King, Gandhi and Jesus will fall down too.- This isn't new, that happened 50 years ago, the consequence were 30 bloody years all over the world.- Any thougths? Gandhi is already looked down upon in India. The majority of right wing and some in ruling party sees Gandhi and Nehru as traitors who let Kashmir go away. in the west, gandhi is controversial due to his racism and insistence on nonviolent protest which tend to go against leftist ideals as well
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Post by countjohn on Jul 24, 2020 2:06:47 GMT
The problem with this stuff, and ultimately censorship in general, is that although people always try to dress it up as being justified some kind of external moral standard it boils down to just selfishness and wanting to impose your own views on others. No one ever argues for their own views or views that they personally find nonoffensive to be censored, even if others find them offensive. To actually have moral credibility you would have to say in some circumstances "I am personally 100% fine with this, but other people are offended so it should be banned". If you don't say that then the standard is not offensiveness or "basic respect" as it is sometimes described but just your personal whim which you are trying to impose on everyone else.
Religion is one of the areas where this comes through clearest. You'd likely get "cancelled" and called a bigot if you joked about Islam/Muhammad but if you were to cancel every comedian who made a joke about Jesus there wouldn't be a single one left in the Western world. Then no one is ever going to get in trouble for making fun of a religion that is controversial or disliked like Mormons or Scientology. The standard should either be that everyone has to be 100% respectful of all religions or that no one has to show any particular religion any respect and people in those religions should be tolerant. Everyone being tolerant of each other is clearly the preferable option. That's the case for everything.
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Post by quetee on Jul 24, 2020 2:58:36 GMT
If they did something out of control where they should know better not to do that in 2020 then so be it. Amy Cooper deserved to be canceled.
I don't like it when they go back several years and try to call people out on something knowing damn well people were okay with that for example, three years ago. If you didn't complain three years ago then you shouldn't complain now and that tells me that the complainer is really the one who has the problem. Why so complicit?
It's like with John Wayne. People knew he was like that and they still named an airport after him. Ummmm, why not use better judgment during the naming process?
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jul 24, 2020 9:06:12 GMT
Oh honey, I don't like it. It conjures up a mob with pitchforks and torches.
It frightens me. Have we forgotten so quickly how the Nazis cancelled the Jews? And everyone at that time in Germany thought it was right. It's very dangerous.
If there is one thing that history has taught us is that mistakes get made. Who decides what gets cancelled?
I mean I wouldn't even cancel Nicole... I'd be out of a job!
If you don't like something. Don't support it. People have the freedom of choice to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 14:09:21 GMT
I'd say that I do take issue with people who are genuinely remorseful and willing to do better being "cancelled" (Al Franken, Paula Deen, etc.).
The likes of Roseanne Barr can fuck right off, though.
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Post by quetee on Jul 24, 2020 18:00:31 GMT
I'd say that I do take issue with people who are genuinely remorseful and willing to do better being "cancelled" (Al Franken, Paula Deen, etc.). The likes of Roseanne Barr can fuck right off, though. The whole thing with Al Franken is when I checked out of this whole thing. It made no sense at all.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 24, 2020 18:33:34 GMT
I'd say that I do take issue with people who are genuinely remorseful and willing to do better being "cancelled" (Al Franken, Paula Deen, etc.). The likes of Roseanne Barr can fuck right off, though. The whole thing with Al Franken is when I checked out of this whole thing. It made no sense at all. It’s everything wrong with the Dems that they got on board calling for his resignation.
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Post by quetee on Jul 24, 2020 18:58:39 GMT
The whole thing with Al Franken is when I checked out of this whole thing. It made no sense at all. It’s everything wrong with the Dems that they got on board calling for his resignation. I was side-eyeing them so hard, I was scared my eye would get stuck.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 15, 2020 19:13:09 GMT
Rather brilliant analysis by musician/poet/actor/writer etc. Nick Cave - who with this short answer piece and his earlier 2020 analysis of "Murder Most Foul" is maybe becoming the most astute social critic going or at least the most pacinoyes' like anyway ......people who say things "cancel culture doesn't exist!" (yeah right) may find it edifying.... Answering a question from a fan, in the latest of his Red Hand Files series of correspondences, the 62-year-old wrote: "As far as I can see, cancel culture is mercy's antithesis. Political correctness has grown to become the unhappiest religion in the world.
"Its once honourable attempt to reimagine our society in a more equitable way now embodies all the worst aspects that religion has to offer (and none of the beauty) - moral certainty and self-righteousness shorn even of the capacity for redemption. It has become quite literally, bad religion run amuck.www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53768254
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