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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 9, 2020 9:35:12 GMT
That they actually got from the academy?
Do you have anyone like that for you? (Minimum that they were nominated more than 1 time)
For me it's........ Marisa Tomei. The academy recognized all 3 of her best performances and from I've seen the only ones I felt was deserving. She's not my winner in any of the years, but she definitely deserved all three of her nods. Better than the actual winner for the last 2 nominations she got. (obviously she was the actual winner for the first one)
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 9, 2020 9:59:19 GMT
Day-Lewis deserved all 6 of his nods..........no others ..........and if he didn't win for Lincoln (he shouldn't have, deserves the nod) he would have been one of the very few great male actors who was nodded exactly right for nods and wins imo. Of course that opens up the question of how this board voted him the 3rd GOAT in our poll off ONLY 6 great/nodworthy performances (and no real comedies btw!) ......and um, yeah it's a really valid question...........and maybe you shouldn't have been 3rd dude......just sayin'
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 9, 2020 10:09:57 GMT
Day-Lewis deserved all 6 of his nods..........no others ..........and if he didn't win for Lincoln (he shouldn't have, deserves the nod) he would have been one of the very few great male actors who was nodded exactly right for nods and wins imo. Of course that opens up the question of how this board voted him the 3rd GOAT in our poll off ONLY 6 great/nodworthy performances (and no real comedies btw!) ......and um, yeah it's a really valid question...........and maybe he shouldn't have been 3rd dude......just sayin'! That's an interesting choice. Someone who has that many nods and you thought they got it exactly right on all 6 counts. Well.... that's 6 nodworthy according to you. I personally thought he should've won for The Crucible. Not a clear winner that year among the nominees but he stood out to me. I also thought he was as good as Pacino, Eastwood, Rea and those guys in 1992 and I'd take him over Denzel anyday. Not sure what's really GOAT about Denzel in that movie. I just kind of admire him in it, and don't actually *like* him like the others I named.
I take away that nod for In the Name of the Father though. And There Will Be Blood, because fuck Daniel Plainview, that's all I gotta say about that.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 14, 2020 23:55:59 GMT
Jennifer Lawrence
Winter's Bone Silver Linings Playbook American Hustle Joy
4 for 4 right in my books.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 15, 2020 0:52:41 GMT
Woody Harrelson.
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Post by stephen on Jul 15, 2020 2:59:42 GMT
Of course that opens up the question of how this board voted him the 3rd GOAT in our poll off ONLY 6 great/nodworthy performances (and no real comedies btw!) ......and um, yeah it's a really valid question...........and maybe you shouldn't have been 3rd dude......just sayin' You really need to stop giving so much of a shit about that poll, man. Being so results-oriented to the point that you get frustrated by something as arbitrary as a poll that, in large part, was already going to skew in favor of certain actors because of vocal fanbases is just going to cause an embolism.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 15, 2020 9:39:41 GMT
Of course that opens up the question of how this board voted him the 3rd GOAT in our poll off ONLY 6 great/nodworthy performances (and no real comedies btw!) ......and um, yeah it's a really valid question...........and maybe you shouldn't have been 3rd dude......just sayin' You really need to stop giving so much of a shit about that poll, man. Being so results-oriented to the point that you get frustrated by something as arbitrary as a poll that, in large part, was already going to skew in favor of certain actors because of vocal fanbases is just going to cause an embolism. Indeed although that's a running pacinoyes CLASSIC gag on MAR that is often misunderstood by those who never understood the pacinoys absurdist posting style anyway............ it's like when I say Denzel Washington is "within the ~top 15 American film actors" or that pacinoyes never will say which male actor is the GOAT when actually I kind of do literally say it quite often don't I?..........or even when I refer to pacinoyes himself in the 3rd person........ . The MAR GOAT poll has been a fountain of great humor (to me!), and also many good sub-polls and fun discussions too ......you just watch how fast I utterly forget about that stupid poll the next time it's run .............when Pacino/De Niro/Brando finish outside the top 20 and Nicole Kidman wins the female version in a landslide.
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Post by finniussnrub on Jul 15, 2020 11:39:09 GMT
Day-Lewis deserved all 6 of his nods..........no others ..........and if he didn't win for Lincoln (he shouldn't have, deserves the nod) he would have been one of the very few great male actors who was nodded exactly right for nods and wins imo. Of course that opens up the question of how this board voted him the 3rd GOAT in our poll off ONLY 6 great/nodworthy performances ( and no real comedies btw!) ......and um, yeah it's a really valid question...........and maybe you shouldn't have been 3rd dude......just sayin' Yeah it's a real shame Day-Lewis lacks "real comedies" unlike some other well praised actors:
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 15, 2020 11:54:48 GMT
Day-Lewis deserved all 6 of his nods..........no others ..........and if he didn't win for Lincoln (he shouldn't have, deserves the nod) he would have been one of the very few great male actors who was nodded exactly right for nods and wins imo. Of course that opens up the question of how this board voted him the 3rd GOAT in our poll off ONLY 6 great/nodworthy performances ( and no real comedies btw!) ......and um, yeah it's a really valid question...........and maybe you shouldn't have been 3rd dude......just sayin' Yeah it's a real shame Day-Lewis lacks "real comedies" unlike some other well praised actors:
Al Pacino has an Oscar nomination for a comedy so he kind of wins but thanks for playing.......also you seem to have a doofus ass habit of now posting TWICE in reply to me IN A WEEK (?) where you post one random video to my post like you "win" or something like that.........in the Tom Hanks thread you posted his sh itty debut like that somehow makes Viggo Mortensen a "better" actor than Hanks (it doesn't - and that was a poll between them)..........now you post THIS and think it makes DDL not having a successful comedy (still doesn't) a triumph for him rather than you know, an obvious fncking weakness. Who p*ssed in your corn flakes or broke your box of crayons? - I'm sorry you don't dig the whole pacinoyes thing I guess right (?)- but I can play this game with you as much as you want to stupidly play it I guess.......
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Post by finniussnrub on Jul 15, 2020 11:59:47 GMT
Yeah it's a real shame Day-Lewis lacks "real comedies" unlike some other well praised actors:
Al Pacino has an Oscar nomination for a comedy so he kind of wins but thanks for playing.......also you seem to have a doofus ass habit of now posting TWICE in reply to me IN A WEEK (?) where you post one random video to my post like you "win" or something like that.........in the Tom Hanks thread you posted his sh itty debut like that somehow makes Viggo Mortensen a "better" actor than Hanks (it doesn't - and that was a poll between them)..........now you post THIS and think it makes DDL not having a successful comedy (still doesn't) a triumph for him rather than you know, an obvious fncking weakness. Who p*ssed in your corn flakes or broke your box of crayons? - I'm sorry you don't dig the whole pacinoyes thing I guess right (?)- but I can play this game with you as much as you want to stupidly play it I guess....... It's the broad declarations with your often somewhat specious reasoning that creates the target on your back, but if you're gonna get that upset by a few pretty minor jabs, I'll leave you to it.
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Post by stephen on Jul 15, 2020 12:03:43 GMT
Yeah it's a real shame Day-Lewis lacks "real comedies" unlike some other well praised actors:
Al Pacino has an Oscar nomination for a comedy so he kind of wins but thanks for playing.......also you seem to have a doofus ass habit of now posting TWICE in reply to me IN A WEEK (?) where you post one random video to my post like you "win" or something like that.........in the Tom Hanks thread you posted his sh itty debut like that somehow makes Viggo Mortensen a "better" actor than Hanks (it doesn't - and that was a poll between them)..........now you post THIS and think it makes DDL not having a successful comedy (still doesn't) a triumph for him rather than you know, an obvious fncking weakness. I think you can make the argument that Phantom Thread is a comedy. Also, if you wanna use Oscar nominations as a metric, I can easily say three wins > one win.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 15, 2020 12:15:03 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 15, 2020 12:24:11 GMT
Al Pacino has an Oscar nomination for a comedy so he kind of wins but thanks for playing.......also you seem to have a doofus ass habit of now posting TWICE in reply to me IN A WEEK (?) where you post one random video to my post like you "win" or something like that.........in the Tom Hanks thread you posted his sh itty debut like that somehow makes Viggo Mortensen a "better" actor than Hanks (it doesn't - and that was a poll between them)..........now you post THIS and think it makes DDL not having a successful comedy (still doesn't) a triumph for him rather than you know, an obvious fncking weakness. Who p*ssed in your corn flakes or broke your box of crayons? - I'm sorry you don't dig the whole pacinoyes thing I guess right (?)- but I can play this game with you as much as you want to stupidly play it I guess....... It's the broad declarations with your often somewhat specious reasoning that creates the target on your back, but if you're gonna get that upset by a few pretty minor jabs, I'll leave you to it. Let's see.........it's interesting that you have NEVER chosen to discuss my "broad declarations" because then you'd maybe have to say "oh sh it DDL doesn't have a successful comedy to his credit pacinoyes is right" .......my reasoning is more "specious" than you randomly posting cheap shot videos of Hanks like that right? ........and who says things like "target on your back" anyway - I have a "target on my back" because DDL never pulled off a comedy? Right, gotcha, ok......makes sense. I'm not "that upset" by it - it would be funny in the context of a discussion - you just refuse to have the discussion - not my fault, not my problem.........I'm just saying if you have a point to make, then make it with dialog like a normal person so I know you have a working pulse that's all.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 15, 2020 12:36:25 GMT
I think you can make the argument that Phantom Thread is a comedy. Also, if you wanna use Oscar nominations as a metric, I can easily say three wins > one win.True ..........those 3 heavy dramatic performances certainly won Oscars - which I kind of already covered in the picture I posted of DDL in this thread. As usual the board catching up with pacman way late ................and I think while I can't make the argument that Phantom Thread is a comedy I certainly can make the argument that Al Pacino destroys Daniel Day Lewis in comedy in his career. Which of course is an argument I wouldn't need to make and certainly not in THIS THREAD - because I didn't compare the 2 actors in this thread at first did I?..........y'all did that.
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Post by stephen on Jul 15, 2020 13:51:15 GMT
I think you can make the argument that Phantom Thread is a comedy. Also, if you wanna use Oscar nominations as a metric, I can easily say three wins > one win.True ..........those 3 heavy dramatic performances certainly won Oscars - which I kind of already covered in the picture I posted of DDL in this thread. As usual the board catching up with pacman way late ................and I think while I can't make the argument that Phantom Thread is a comedy I certainly can make the argument that Al Pacino destroys Daniel Day Lewis in comedy in his career. Which of course is an argument I wouldn't need to make and certainly not in THIS THREAD - because I didn't compare the 2 actors in this thread at first did I?..........y'all did that. No, dude, you're the one who brought up Day-Lewis's stature by referring to that poll and saying that because he never did any "real comedies" (which, again, he has done; Phantom Thread is a comedy and Day-Lewis has showcased comedic talent in most of his nominated work despite them being weightier films than that), that it hurts his stature. Which is fine if you believe that should be a verifiable metric of talent and skill (I don't think it is), but you can't then throw out "getting an Oscar nomination for comedy" as some sort of a bellwether when a.) DDL was nominated for a film that can easily be construed as a comedy, b.) if Oscars are supposed to be some sort of a worthy metric that dock points from one actor and prop up another for a particular skill, then wouldn't it be a reasonable counter-argument to state that the guy who has three Oscars is better than the guy who has one? You don't get to have your cake and eat it, too. And what, your argument is that Al Pacino destroys Daniel Day-Lewis in comedy? Does he, though? He did Jack and Jill. That is not a great accomplishment. If you're gonna ding DDL for Stars and Bars and Eversmile, New Jersey (the latter, rightly so; the former is actually a solidly watchable movie), then you're gonna have to ding Pacino for Jack and Jill, Gigli, 88 Minutes (wait, that wasn't supposed to be a comedy?) . . . basically anything that isn't Stand Up Guys, and that's Walken's movie more than anything.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 15, 2020 14:12:26 GMT
True ..........those 3 heavy dramatic performances certainly won Oscars - which I kind of already covered in the picture I posted of DDL in this thread. As usual the board catching up with pacman way late ................and I think while I can't make the argument that Phantom Thread is a comedy I certainly can make the argument that Al Pacino destroys Daniel Day Lewis in comedy in his career. Which of course is an argument I wouldn't need to make and certainly not in THIS THREAD - because I didn't compare the 2 actors in this thread at first did I?..........y'all did that. No, dude, you're the one who brought up Day-Lewis's stature by referring to that poll and saying that because he never did any "real comedies"
And what, your argument is that Al Pacino destroys Daniel Day-Lewis in comedy? Does he, though? He did Jack and Jill. That is not a great accomplishment. ............... then you're gonna have to ding Pacino for Jack and Jill, Gigli, 88 Minutes (wait, that wasn't supposed to be a comedy?) . . . basically anything that isn't Stand Up Guys, and that's Walken's movie more than anything. Meh........wrong stephen - wtf - I said I didn't bring up Pacino first then you reply to something else entirely. What are you saying "No, dude" to exactly here? .........you're smarter than that, Look what's bolded above......(?) Yeah um, I don't think DDL has a successful comedy and it straight up hurts his stature to me ........now does it hurt it THAT much .........not really............I believe I voted him 3rd for British actors ever and if he had a successful comedy he'd be even higher - he was top 10 in that poll for me across UK and US - he wasn't 3rd......sorry........but not sorry. ........and while I love him and DDL could do comedy (and he's underrated for it too)........Pacino has Dick Tracy, Devils Advocate (which is riotously funny and constructed around his humor), Stand Up Guys, Danny Collins, Frankie & Johnny ............that's not to mention comedy within drama which is his win there too (he's endlessly comic quotable in Glengarry, Scent, Scarface, DDA, Sea of Love and on and on even in weirdo-odd things like Looking For Richard). Even if you ding Pacino for the comedies that didn't work.............. he still wins........and by a whole lot too. YOU don't even really believe that DDL competes with Pacino in comedic work ........come on - I know DDL is your fave but the arguments to make on his behalf are not this specific comic one - this is sort of being argumentative for the sake of it, isn't it?
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 15, 2020 14:21:52 GMT
pacinoyes is right on this count. DDL is NOT Pacino's equal in comedy, at all. I can't assign his minor or lowkey comedic notes (even if he does have it) as similar to Dick Tracy.... which was a big thing back in 1990 that he was actually nominated for that performance.
Pacino makes me laugh sometimes. DDL is mostly a passionate heroine to me with high dramatic notes, which Pacino obviously doesn't do but hey... different strengths as actors.... it's really non-comparable stuff to me.
I also find Robert DeNiro funny, though maybe unintentionally. But he's funny when he's tough-guying or intimidating you. Don't think I've ever laughed at a DDL performance. Not that I'm arguing that he's bad at comedy. I'm just interjecting my perspective.
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Post by stephen on Jul 15, 2020 14:25:02 GMT
No, dude, you're the one who brought up Day-Lewis's stature by referring to that poll and saying that because he never did any "real comedies"
And what, your argument is that Al Pacino destroys Daniel Day-Lewis in comedy? Does he, though? He did Jack and Jill. That is not a great accomplishment. ............... then you're gonna have to ding Pacino for Jack and Jill, Gigli, 88 Minutes (wait, that wasn't supposed to be a comedy?) . . . basically anything that isn't Stand Up Guys, and that's Walken's movie more than anything. Meh........wrong stephen - wtf - I said I didn't bring up Pacino first then you reply to something else entirely. What are you saying "No, dude" to exactly here? .........you're smarter than that, Look what's bolded above......(?) Yeah um, I don't think DDL has a successful comedy and it straight up hurts his stature to me ........now does it hurt it THAT much .........not really............I believe I voted him 3rd for British actors ever and if he had a successful comedy he'd be even higher - he was top 10 in that poll for me across UK and US - he wasn't 3rd......sorry........but not sorry. ........and while I love him and DDL could do comedy (and he's underrated for it too)........Pacino has Dick Tracy, Devils Advocate (which is riotously funny and constructed around his humor), Stand Up Guys, Danny Collins, Frankie & Johnny ............that's not to mention comedy within drama which is his win there too (he's endlessly comic quotable in Glengarry, Scent, Scarface, DDA, Sea of Love and on and on even in weirdo-odd things like Looking For Richard). Even if you ding Pacino for the comedies that didn't work.............. he still wins........and by a whole lot too. YOU don't even really believe that DDL competes with Pacino in comedic work ........come on - I know DDL is your fave but the arguments to make on his behalf are not this specific comic one - this is sort of being argumentative for the sake of it, isn't it? I don't really care much for comparing catalogues because obviously, if you're going to go for quantity, it's easier to point to a Pacino or a De Niro who work consistently and who also have a fifteen-year headstart over someone like Day-Lewis, who prizes selectivity (which, as I've said elsewhere ad nauseam, is something that I wish the big-leaguers would try to emulate). But here's the thing: most of Day-Lewis's work, including his Oscar nominations, have as much comedy within drama as Pacino's. My Left Foot, Gangs of New York, There Will Be Blood, Lincoln, Phantom Thread . . . he can be absolutely riotous depending on the scene. Just because the work around him isn't blatantly comedic (your mileage may vary there) doesn't mean he isn't accomplished in the milieu, and I think that trying to knock him for not taking on a farce or a spoof to show some sort of weakness in comedy is folly. He can and has done comedy, and has been good at it. He's just very picky about the parts he takes. He wouldn't do something like Dick Tracy or Frankie & Johnny unless he felt it was worth his time. Just because Pacino thought it was doesn't mean he's more accomplished at it; it just means he's tried it more often. Which, again, goes back to the quantity versus quality argument we always have when it comes to DDL against anyone else.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 15, 2020 14:50:30 GMT
I don't really care much for comparing catalogues because obviously, i f you're going to go for quantity, it's easier to point to a Pacino or a De Niro who work consistently and who also have a fifteen-year headstart over someone like Day-Lewis, who prizes selectivity (which, as I've said elsewhere ad nauseam, is something that I wish the big-leaguers would try to emulate). But here's the thing: most of Day-Lewis's work, including his Oscar nominations, have as much comedy within drama as Pacino's. My Left Foot, Gangs of New York, There Will Be Blood, Lincoln, Phantom Thread . . . he can be absolutely riotous depending on the scene. Just because the work around him isn't blatantly comedic (your mileage may vary there) doesn't mean he isn't accomplished in the milieu Even if I buy this argument which I do not - stop them at close to the same age/same films........for Pacino that's 18 (Scent of A Woman is 18th film) .....he was 52........for Day-Lewis I'll give him his whole career which is like 20-21 iirc films and his mid-50s. Pacino STILL gets Dick Tracy and Frankie and Johnny and all the dramas with comedy mixed in Scarface, And Justice For All, Sea of Love, Scarecrow, Dog Day Afternoon, Glengarry, Scent (I'm leaving off Serpico where he's at least as funny as DDL in Lincoln). What you're doing is two-fold incorrect - first he doesn't beat Pacino within the same parameters you say you value even and I'm giving DDL MORE work to do it too - Pacino's doing more doesn't factor in at all actually - he did it better than DDL and didn't do more (?)...... and you overrate Day-Lewis' comedic work within those parameters (even I say it's underrated but THAT'S overrating it). Guess we just disagree - this particular point isn't really close to me and anyway........this belongs in another thread and indeed came up many times in GOAT level discussions......all I said was he shouldn't have been that high - 3rd in that poll. That has absolutely nothing to do with Al Pacino at all.
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Post by Allenism on Jul 16, 2020 19:37:55 GMT
Edward Norton.
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Post by speeders on Jul 18, 2020 1:20:07 GMT
Faye Dunaway, won for the right one too.
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