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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 18:00:24 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 27, 2020 18:13:41 GMT
It's between Craven and Argento but Argento invented a whole lot of things in his 4 or 5 great films that outpace everyone........Craven didn't invent much he just applied things that already existed (brilliantly). The Argento effect and how it interconnects makes him to me an all-time great Italian director imo - and I'm not kidding like Bertolucci etc. - even though his worst films are outright disasters. All his big ones - Bird With The Crystal Plummage/Deep Red/Suspiria/Tenebre/The Stendahl Syndrome have things in them that are uniquely his own and how horror is applied to those films: The set-pieces that involve helplessness in a way where you can only witness (in almost his first SCENE in film in "Pummage"), the dangerous nature of Art - Art as threatening weapon - (a huuuuuuuuuge one for him and no one rivals him in that it's so uniquely his theme), the faulty nature of memory and your senses, the satirical elements of horror (which Craven gets too in Scream/NOES though but Argento did it first) which was really nasty and vivid, and crucially horror's connection to other artistic forms in a broader sense - music, architecture, paintings, sculptures, fairy tales etc.......in Argento's best movies there's something sinister in all of life not just in his plots.
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Post by Mattsby on Jun 27, 2020 18:48:41 GMT
Wes Craven John Carpenter Dario Argento George Romero (newly discovered movie Amusement Park coming out soon!) Kiyoshi Kurosawa Tobe Hooper Mario Bava Tod Browning Rough ranking. Like/love 'em all, or at least some of their movies. Top 3 is a toss up, depending on what we're arguing. But I gotta count how I grew up on Craven/Carpenter movies, and how those same movies hold up now in a new even better way. Can't say that about the other junk I watched as a kid. I've seen pretty much everything they've done and both have more than 10 movies I either love or consider great guilty pleasures - Argento I've only seen 9 of his movies and I actually like them all. Recently saw Opera which improves a lot when thinking back on it, and reminded me a bit of Scream; pacinoyes nails Argento and "the faulty nature of memory" is right, even extending to our own, the ways his movies stick with you and on rewatches how there's always details or elements of style you forget about that make each viewing rewarding and gripping....
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 27, 2020 18:56:37 GMT
Amazing group and I've met two of these directors, but working through this horror retrospective I've reallllly come to appreciate Bava and I'm giving him the edge.
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 27, 2020 18:57:01 GMT
George Romero (newly discovered movie Amusement Park coming out soon!) Read about this last night. Very exciting!
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Post by countjohn on Jun 27, 2020 19:00:58 GMT
Not a fan of horror at all but Carpenter was extremely talented and very gifted with visuals. The Halloween opening might be the greatest horror sequence of all time.
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Post by JangoB on Jun 27, 2020 20:42:52 GMT
I'm not familiar with the oeuvre of some of these filmmakers but from the ones I've seen Dario Argento is easily the greatest, his best films reaching an abstract/lyrical quality which I just adore.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 27, 2020 21:11:07 GMT
Carpenter Romero Argento
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 0:21:39 GMT
Amazing group and I've met two of these directors, but working through this horror retrospective I've reallllly come to appreciate Bava and I'm giving him the edge. Oh shit nice, which two? I've always wished I liked Bava more as he seems like the type of filmmaker I'd be really into, but I mostly just find his stuff OK. Probably going to give some of his work another shot this October - these last few years I've been majorly lacking on watching horror during Halloween season, it's got to change!
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 28, 2020 1:46:13 GMT
Amazing group and I've met two of these directors, but working through this horror retrospective I've reallllly come to appreciate Bava and I'm giving him the edge. Oh shit nice, which two? I've always wished I liked Bava more as he seems like the type of filmmaker I'd be really into, but I mostly just find his stuff OK. Probably going to give some of his work another shot this October - these last few years I've been majorly lacking on watching horror during Halloween season, it's got to change! I met Carpenter and Romero.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 28, 2020 2:02:41 GMT
John Carpenter is easily my favorite of the bunch, his 80s run is almost unreally. He's also the most versatility, because while he's commonly associated with horror, he was never pigeon-holed into the genre the same way the likes of Craven and Hooper were. He did action movies, comedies, and even a sci-fi drama (Starman).
I love a lot of Dario Argento 70's, and 80's films, and although his recent run of movies is fairly rough, his films from Deep Red to Opera, is mostly full of brilliance.
Wes Craven didn't always strike it out, Deadly Blessing for example, but his movies were always interesting and or sadistically great. Nightmare on Elm Street, and the first two Scream movies are great, but I think my favorite Craven movie might be People Under The Stairs, which is a great demented black comedy, with a lot of surprisingly social commentary attached to it.
A lot of George Romero's films can be hit and miss, but when he's on, he's on. The first four Dead movies, Martin, The Crazies, Creepshow, some good horror films on that list. Also highly recommend his only non horror film Knightriders. Quite indulgent, but there's some brilliance and fun to be had with it.
What I've seen of Mario Bava's is great, and I think I need to explore even more. I love Black Sunday, Black Sabbath, Planet of the Vampires, and A Bay of Blood. To me he might be the best Giallo filmmaker, because he knew how to use red to such an excellent effect.
Tobe Hooper I felt never got a lot of respect. At best he's known as The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, or being the alleged ghost-director for Spielberg in Poltergeist (something that looks more iffy to me as more actual evidence is revealed), but he also made a lot of fun genre flicks, until the bottom fell out as far as mainstream releases went. The Funhouse, Lifeforce, Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, a hilarious sequel etc...
Lucio Fulci generally made the most blatant trash out of the bunch, but some of his movies like City of The Living Dead, and Zombi2 are slickly made well-done horror films.
Tod Browning's Freaks and Dracula are both excellent, and his silent horror films with Lon Chaney were also vitally important to the genre as a whole. It's a shame that his career spurted out of control after Freaks failure though, because Mark of The Vampire is a movie with a nifty concept, that was ruined because of executive meddling.
I haven't seen much of Rob Zombie's beyond his Halloween films, and The Devil's Rejects / House of 1000 Corpses. Can't say I'm much of a fan.
Kiyoshi Kurosawa is the huge blindspot to me as far as this list is concerned, and I think I need to explore more of his work. I only know of Cure, and that sounds great.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 2:07:27 GMT
I'll go with Argento, Romero and Bava (who generally deserves much more love). Hooper has the best film out of all of em tho.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 4:03:32 GMT
I'll go with Argento, Romero and Bava (who generally deserves much more love). Hooper has the best film out of all of em tho. Agreed on Hooper having made the best 1, it's almost untouchable - TCM 2 is really good too, not on the same level at all, but a pretty insane and fun watch. I'd like to see more of his lesser known works like Spontaneous Combustion and Eaten Alive, they look sick.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 4:40:10 GMT
I'll go with Argento, Romero and Bava (who generally deserves much more love). Hooper has the best film out of all of em tho. Agreed on Hooper having made the best 1, it's almost untouchable - TCM 2 is really good too, not on the same level at all, but a pretty insane and fun watch. I'd like to see more of his lesser known works like Spontaneous Combustion and Eaten Alive, they look sick. TCM 2 is actually in my top 20 of all time - probably the most purely entertaining movie ever. So imo Hooper has two absolutely goated masterpieces, but then nothing else I've seen from him compares. The Funhouse is solid I guess, but I thought Poltergeist and The Toolbox Murders were pretty weak. Totally with you on wanting to see more of his obscure stuff though, I also really ought to see the 1979 Salem's Lot miniseries which he apparently directed. He definitely has potential to be a personal favorite once I get around to more of his stuff.
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 28, 2020 5:06:52 GMT
What I've seen of Mario Bava's is great, and I think I need to explore even more. I love Black Sunday, Black Sabbath, Planet of the Vampires, and A Bay of Blood. To me he might be the best Giallo filmmaker, because he knew how to use red to such an excellent effect. I highly recommend The Girl Who Knew Too Much (also known as The Evil Eye) from 1963.
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 28, 2020 22:13:50 GMT
While we're on the subject, is anyone a fan of Jean Rollin's work? I've recently seen more of his films and they're all so well shot and have a very unnerving and haunting quality to them.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 28, 2020 22:21:11 GMT
While we're on the subject, is anyone a fan of Jean Rollin's work? I've recently seen more of his films and they're all so well shot and have a very unnerving and haunting quality to them. I like a lot of his stuff but Fascination (1979) is on a different level imo - that's the one where the sex, the look of the women and the look of the film itself, the twists of the plot are really eerie and (no pun) fascinating........it's horrific in a carnal way. In the old IMDB days we once had a thread about "pornographic films that would be good movies if you took the sex scenes out"........well Rollin in Fascination made a film that you could add explicit sex on to it and it would be a great pornographic film and I'm not kidding and I mean it as a compliment It's sex raised to a kind of trashy high Art:
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 28, 2020 22:46:24 GMT
KK & hooper i would say..
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