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Post by sirchuck23 on May 26, 2020 17:56:58 GMT
Denzel Washington The 2010s have arguably been the best decade of his career so far with what he's accomplished on screen and on stage. Will be interesting to see where his career goes after he finally ages out of action movies, with that being said starring in a Joel Coen interpretation of MacBeth with Frances McDormand as his leading lady isn't a bad start to his 2020s.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 26, 2020 18:11:50 GMT
I think people are misunderstanding the poll or just voting who they prefer (which is fine)- or at least I am maybe misunderstanding it - it isn't "best working or current actor" it says Greatest modern actor working today which to me meant which is who is the greatest actor alive overall and still working
......Did anybody see the list of things Washington hasn't done?...... Well that applies to DDL and Gary Oldman in a large part too. In Oldman's case more than anyone.......I love him but if I'm interpreting the poll right - the only way you could vote for Oldman is preference.......
Just sayin'......carry on.
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Post by wallsofjericho on May 26, 2020 18:14:57 GMT
Washington is the best out of the four me today, he's doing some of his best and most interesting work.
Even though he's not mentioned I honestly think Jeff Bridges is a GOAT tier actor on the same level as those guys. The kind of praise Hanks is getting I think Bridges should get more (can do comedy and play dark) because his range is astonishing and he's still producing great work to this day.
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Post by wallsofjericho on May 26, 2020 18:19:52 GMT
I think people are misunderstanding the poll or just voting who they prefer (which is fine)- or at least I am maybe misunderstanding it - it isn't "best working or current actor" it says Greatest modern actor working today which to me meant which is who is the greatest actor alive overall and still working ......Did anybody see the list of things Washington hasn't done?...... Well that applies to DDL and Gary Oldman in a large part too. In Oldman's case more than anyone.......I love him but if I'm interpreting the poll right - the only way you could vote for Oldman is preference....... Just sayin'......carry on. I agree, I went by the best working today criteria.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 26, 2020 19:25:36 GMT
Even though he's not mentioned I honestly think Jeff Bridges is a GOAT tier actor on the same level as those guys. The kind of praise Hanks is getting I think Bridges should get more (can do comedy and play dark) because his range is astonishing and he's still producing great work to this day. I love Bridges and his great asset is his alone - he doesn't resemble any of the other GOAT actors - he resembles some other actors in the past maybe but his path was unique there's not someone who competes with him directly in his age range: 70 puts him right in the 1980s class which makes him look even more appealing (Washington 65, Hanks 63, Dafoe 64). For example: He is also right in the middle of those guys with my checklist thing - like can you argue him based on "facts" or numbers - and the answer is well, yes maybe you can: He only is somewhat lacking in some metric things (Golden Globes for one thing - only 5 nods which is low - but then again Oldman just has ONE nomination). But the argument I gave in the Washington vs. Pacino on those metrics don't really apply quite as much to Bridges as you might think and the fact that he's "unique" makes his status seem unique too in actor comparisons.
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Post by wallsofjericho on May 26, 2020 19:55:14 GMT
Even though he's not mentioned I honestly think Jeff Bridges is a GOAT tier actor on the same level as those guys. The kind of praise Hanks is getting I think Bridges should get more (can do comedy and play dark) because his range is astonishing and he's still producing great work to this day. I love Bridges and his great asset is his alone - he doesn't resemble any of the other GOAT actors - he resembles some other actors in the past maybe but his path was unique there's not someone who competes with him directly in his age range: 70 puts him right in the 1980s class which makes him look even more appealing (Washington 65, Hanks 63, Dafoe 64). For example: He is also right in the middle of those guys with my checklist thing - like can you argue him based on "facts" or numbers - and the answer is well, yes maybe you can: He only is somewhat lacking in some metric things (Golden Globes for one thing - only 5 nods which is low - but then again Oldman just has ONE nomination). But the argument I gave in the Washington vs. Pacino on those metrics don't really apply quite as much to Bridges as you might think and the fact that he's "unique" makes his status seem unique too in actor comparisons. I was speaking to a friend about Jeff Bridges a while back and he was saying that what held Bridges back for him was that his filmography didn't necessarily promote as many classics or iconic films as other actors that are as highly revered. I've never really looked too much into that argument (always went by range, depth of performances, elevating weak material) but I think it has been used on this board before when comparing actors.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 26, 2020 20:36:43 GMT
I was speaking to a friend about Jeff Bridges a while back and he was saying that what held Bridges back for him was that his filmography didn't necessarily promote as many classics or iconic films as other actors that are as highly revered. I've never really looked too much into that argument (always went by range, depth of performances, elevating weak material) but I think it has been used on this board before when comparing actors. Well, I think people just cherry pick facts sometimes and misinterpret them too - people do it here every day tbh: Bridges compares very favorably to Washington on film - except in Globes overall (9 to 5) - he at least doubles him in BP nods (4 to 2 off the top of my head - maybe more?) so his filmography might be better than your friend thinks......he has an iconic comedy film(s), several ace comic roles, competes with Washington's in Oscar nods overall. Can compete with his directors and cast mates (maybe win?). Now on the other hand he'd lose all of those things to Hanks so to beat Hanks as an actor the subjective stuff has to dominate for Bridges - Hanks is a beast in that factual stuff and he would beat Washington and Bridges much like Pacino did in my earlier example. BUT Bridges at least represents in each category, Washington does not (yet) - so when Bridges does that to me I'm like "Ok, those are the "facts", now let's talk about the actual performances!". That's why I can't ever place Washington higher than top ~15 right now - he'll just never top Pacino because he's too much like him in so many ways and he loses in so many metrics for 30 years to him and others - the facts just aren't there for him for me: 0 BAFTA nods (Bridges 3 nods), 0 major comic portrayals (Bridges several, has a Globe nod for comedy, (Washington has 0) or iconic/successful comic films and Washington has the lowest BP nomination ratio of any GOAT level film actor (just those 2 and up until 2016 - just one). Those metrics don't mean everything but they do give you a starting point to assess them all and cross compare if you don't live and die by them - it just helps because they are one of the few objective things you have at all to talk actors - everything else is just an opinion and feeling and preference and that can come next.......but you need some kind of balance imo .........for me anyway, that's the only way I can do it.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 26, 2020 20:48:34 GMT
Out of these 5, Oldman has a uniquely special place for me. A character actor with leading man gravitas. He doesn't have the movie star charisma the others have, but I just love that regardless if he's in just one scene or the entire film, he has his finger on the pulse of what tone and rhythms the film is going for and play that accordingly. Doesn't matter if it's a period piece, a schlocky sci-fi, a script by Quentin Tarantino or Tom Stoppard, a hero, villain, or a villain that turns out to actually be a good guy in a teen wizard movie, he's going to match the milieu seamlessly, do something interesting, and be as generous as Santa Claus with how he plays off his scene partners. I love the others greatly (Pacino especially just to add some spice), but my reverence for Oldman's talent, range, and technical ability is just different.
That's my preference. I have no interest in comparing the 5 based on metrics, who's going to be considered the best in 15-20 years, etc. I personally am not interested in prognosticating other peoples' opinions, only stating my own.
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Post by fiosnasiob on May 26, 2020 20:56:23 GMT
And, PLEASE Walls, try to keep it that way
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 26, 2020 23:43:10 GMT
Denzel Washington The 2010s have arguably been the best decade of his career so far with what he's accomplished on screen and on stage. Will be interesting to see where his career goes after he finally ages out of action movies, with that being said starring in a Joel Coen interpretation of MacBeth with Frances McDormand as his leading lady isn't a bad start to his 2020s. Agreed. Denzel has arguably done some of his more interesting work this decade inbetween all the action thrillers ( Fences, Roman J. Israel), and I'm curious to see where he goes in the next decade, especially as he becomes more of an elder statesmen, and matures further into age-appropriate parts. I expect a lot of great dramatic roles to come out of it. Doing Joel Coen's Macbeth can only be a great start / choice.
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Post by sirchuck23 on May 27, 2020 2:56:29 GMT
Denzel Washington The 2010s have arguably been the best decade of his career so far with what he's accomplished on screen and on stage. Will be interesting to see where his career goes after he finally ages out of action movies, with that being said starring in a Joel Coen interpretation of MacBeth with Frances McDormand as his leading lady isn't a bad start to his 2020s. Agreed. Denzel has arguably done some of his more interesting work this decade inbetween all the action thrillers ( Fences, Roman J. Israel), and I'm curious to see where he goes in the next decade, especially as he becomes more of an elder statesmen, and matures further into age-appropriate parts. I expect a lot of great dramatic roles to come out of it. Doing Joel Coen's Macbeth can only be a great start / choice. Exactly..I saw Denzel live on Broadway for A Raisin in the Sun in which he was phenomenal. Unfortunately I didn’t get to see him on Broadway for Fences with Viola Davis..but you can point to that production in seeing how it lit a fire in him again for the 2010s. He needed some of that Michael Jordan “I took it personal” motivation..LOL. Shoutout to the The Last Dance.
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Post by Kirk-Picard on May 27, 2020 4:47:24 GMT
Apart from Pacino and de niro(before selling out),I find others overrated.
1.Pacino 2.De Niro 3.Oldman 4.Washington 5.DDL
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Post by pacinoyes on May 27, 2020 9:57:20 GMT
1. Pacino 2. De Niro 3. Oldman4. DDL 5. Denzel I love watching Denzel but he has three really great perfs and that's it for me, and I've seen almost 40 of his movies (once on stage!). DDL obviously insanely talented but I personally prefer any kind of career over a small, precious, finite one. Like gimme Donald Pleasence's career over DDL's 100x over. Oldman has a rawer talent, often there's almost an air of danger to him which I love, he's less a technician than them, less outright peaks, but I find him more wildly enjoyable and unpredictable to watch and he has more range than them. I love those three, but I struggle to find 10 or so perfs from them that I really love. Already at that point they ain't touching Pacino/De Niro. Easy rank for me. This is an on point analysis - to me there's a fascinating twist where if you compare 2 actors directly you get one result in a poll or a discussion and if you compare more directly across more actors it can change the result or your feelings even - ie the "lesser" actor is usually "elevated" in a 1 to 1 comparison but can be "revealed" in a multiple actor comparison. In the poll we have 59 votes by 47 voters which means wayyyyyy more people just voted their one favorite instead of the option of picking 2.......which is sort of interesting - like the 1 in 5 pick was easier to them than contemplating the remaining 4 picks for a 2nd choice
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Post by fiosnasiob on May 27, 2020 12:58:31 GMT
Agreed. Denzel has arguably done some of his more interesting work this decade inbetween all the action thrillers ( Fences, Roman J. Israel), and I'm curious to see where he goes in the next decade, especially as he becomes more of an elder statesmen, and matures further into age-appropriate parts. I expect a lot of great dramatic roles to come out of it. Doing Joel Coen's Macbeth can only be a great start / choice. Exactly..I saw Denzel live on Broadway for A Raisin in the Sun in which he was phenomenal. Unfortunately I didn’t get to see him on Broadway for Fences with Viola Davis..but you can point to that production in seeing how it lit a fire in him again for the 2010s. He needed some of that Michael Jordan “I took it personal” motivation..LOL. Shoutout to the The Last Dance. I totally forgot that you saw his A Raisin in the Sun on Broadway, lucky you. I planned to go see Fences but with life we never know...so I had to cancel. Now I think I would travel (from France or Korea) only if he do King Lear, there is no way I can miss the GOAT actor doing this role on stage. But I'm not against a screen version, Macbeth is normally coming so why not Lear someday... Fingers crossed.
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Post by sirchuck23 on May 27, 2020 13:50:32 GMT
Exactly..I saw Denzel live on Broadway for A Raisin in the Sun in which he was phenomenal. Unfortunately I didn’t get to see him on Broadway for Fences with Viola Davis..but you can point to that production in seeing how it lit a fire in him again for the 2010s. He needed some of that Michael Jordan “I took it personal” motivation..LOL. Shoutout to the The Last Dance. I totally forgot that you saw his A Raisin in the Sun on Broadway, lucky you. I planned to go see Fences but with life we never know...so I had to cancel. Now I think I would travel (from France or Korea) only if he do King Lear, there is no way I can miss the GOAT actor doing this role on stage. But I'm not against a screen version, Macbeth is normally coming so why not Lear someday... Fingers crossed. Yeah man, if you have the means (and who knows how world theater will be impacted going forward with the pandemic) I suggest trying to see him on stage live at least once. He's a theater guy so he'll keep coming back as long as he's physically able to, but he's not getting any younger.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 27, 2020 15:30:14 GMT
Forum polls are fun distractions, but they really aren't that deep or illuminating. You'll get different results in different forums, and as with here, the sample of voters usually isn't big enough to tell us much of anything beyond who has more fans on that particular board. For example this poll in the Goldderby Forum which asks Who Is The Greatest Male Actor Among These Options? It includes every actor on this poll, plus Jack Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Tom Hanks and Anthony Hopkins. There are a similar number of voters in each poll. www.goldderby.com/forum/movies/who-is-the-greatest-male-actor-among-these-options/Day-Lewis bodies the vote here, with 49%. Washington gets a distant second with 14.55% of the vote. Nicholson is 3rd 12.73% of the vote. DeNiro gets 4th with 9% of the vote. Hopkins 5th with 7.27%. Interestingly, the guy currently leading this poll Al Pacino is joint 7th place, with 1.82 % of the vote and barely registers. So how does Pacino go from winning a GOAT poll on this movie forum, to struggling to get more than 1 vote in another movie forum? Perhaps because this board has more fans of Al, so he'll always do better here than some actors (who may be rated higher than him elsewhere). While on another board, less fans means less votes. Then you have someone like Washington who tends to beat everyone with ease in real world and social media polls. Very confusing
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Post by pacinoyes on May 27, 2020 15:47:37 GMT
Forum polls are fun distractions, but they really aren't that deep or illuminating. Well that's definitely true, because if they were "deep" somebody would have to make a logical case for how the FNCK Denzel Washington specifically who loses almost every single acting analysis point (except 1, that's Oscar wins) - objective AND subjective to Al Pacino in every year for 30+ years - in film AND theater ( AND TV btw) - could have any votes at all in any poll that involved both of those actors.
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Post by cherry68 on May 27, 2020 16:29:45 GMT
I like Denzel Washington, but I can't remember him playing an unattractive guy (I know he had been a villain in many movies, that's not what I mean with unattractive). I might have forgotten though. I wonder if directors cast him only in those kinds of roles. That doesn't happen with the other guys in this poll.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 27, 2020 16:35:44 GMT
I like Denzel Washington, but I can't remember him playing an unattractive guy (I know he had been a villain in many movies, that's not what I mean with unattractive). I might have forgotten though. I wonder if directors cast him only in those kinds of roles. That doesn't happen with the other guys in this poll. He got an Oscar nomination for Roman J Israel, Esq in 2017 (the year Oldman won for playing Churchill). Roman was an overweight, autistic nerd with terrible dress sense, unkempt hair and oversized glasses. His character was the very definition of unattractive. He doesn't really go in for the gimmicky make-up stuff (no offense to actors who do that) where he covers himself in fake scars and makes himself look disfugured, but he does play unattractive characters. Troy in Fences was a pot bellied garbage man with grey hair. Not exactly a stud.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 27, 2020 16:53:13 GMT
I like Denzel Washington, but I can't remember him playing an unattractive guy (I know he had been a villain in many movies, that's not what I mean with unattractive). I might have forgotten though. I wonder if directors cast him only in those kinds of roles. That doesn't happen with the other guys in this poll. He got an Oscar nomination for Roman J Israel, Esq in 2017 (the year Oldman won for playing Churchill). Roman was an overweight, autistic nerd with terrible dress sense, unkempt hair and oversized glasses. His character was the very definition of unattractive. He doesn't really go in for the gimmicky make-up stuff (no offense to actors who do that) where he covers himself in fake scars and makes himself look disfugured, but he does play unattractive characters. Troy in Fences was a pot bellied garbage man with grey hair. Not exactly a stud. That's what I really like about his performance and that movie to some extent, for as much people rag on him for his Oscar nomination, he really does some of his best "character work" in it. Also his role in Fences was clearly meant to be no spring chicken, and not especially attractive.
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Post by fiosnasiob on May 27, 2020 17:28:58 GMT
Hmm..I think you guys didn't get it, Cherry68 finds Roman attractive !!! BTW I miss my fellow French user Lilly/Ruth, a biiiig Gary Oldman fan who would have given some pretty amazing acting/performances thoughts in this kind of thread.
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Post by quetee on May 27, 2020 17:33:48 GMT
The interesting thing about Denzel is that he will be able to weather the storm better as he age. He's damn near 70 and as long as it is the right genre, he can still open a movie.
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Post by stephen on May 27, 2020 17:41:44 GMT
Hmm..I think you guys didn't get it, Cherry68 finds Roman attractive !!! BTW I miss my fellow French user Lilly/Ruth, a biiiig Gary Oldman fan who would have given some pretty amazing acting/performances thoughts in this kind of thread. Lily was a genuine treasure who had some of the most thoughtful perspectives on actors, and I always appreciated her insight. Wish she'd make a surprise appearance every now and again.
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Post by Good God on May 27, 2020 18:31:30 GMT
Mean Streets The Godfather II Taxi Driver The Deer Hunter Raging Bull The King of Comedy Once Upon a Time in America Goodfellas Casino Heat The Irishman
I don't believe anything else needs to be said. I've actually left out movies like Brazil, Jackie Brown, Silver Linings Playbook, and Joker from the list which would be among the career highlights for the rest of these lessers. But not for De Niro.
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Post by quetee on May 27, 2020 18:47:38 GMT
Mean Streets The Godfather II Taxi Driver The Deer Hunter Raging Bull The King of Comedy Once Upon a Time in America Goodfellas Casino Heat The Irishman I don't believe anything else needs to be said. I've actually left out movies like Brazil, Jackie Brown, Silver Linings Playbook, and Joker from the list which would be among the career highlights for the rest of these lessers. But not for De Niro. You can't doubt that one bit but even Bobby D, you know the one who has half black kids who lean on looking a tab more black especially when you check their hair. LMAO. Will agree that a black man would never have been able to get those types of opportunities back in the day. And by the way, you forgot to mention Midnight Run.
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