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Post by Allenism on May 24, 2020 15:16:11 GMT
I think both have shown an impressive adaptability between genres but ultimately McCarthy’s work in “Can You Ever Forgive Me?” trumps anything her opponent has done. It’s worth considering that the former has had access to better opportunities (because racism), but she’s also made a lot of garbage so in that regard Spencer seems savvier in the roles that she’s chosen to take on.
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Post by Kirk-Picard on May 24, 2020 15:21:31 GMT
Octavia Spencer by a lot.
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Post by morton on May 24, 2020 15:45:45 GMT
I think both have shown an impressive adaptability between genres but ultimately McCarthy’s work in “Can You Ever Forgive Me?” trumps anything her opponent has done. It’s worth considering that the former has had access to better opportunities (because racism), but she’s also made a lot of garbage so in that regard Spencer seems savvier in the roles that she’s chosen to take on. This is basically me. I think that McCarthy's work in Can You Ever Forgive Me? is the best work that either of them has done, but I find that Spencer generally chooses better projects. Even with something like Ma, I thought Spencer was definitely MVP, and kept it fun enough that I really enjoyed it even though it was such a silly movie, but for awhile there McCarthy was becoming like Sandler/Ferrell/Carrey etc. in that she might be the best part of her movies, but the quality was so bad in many of them that I was just becoming over her. Or even with The Kitchen last year, that was so, so, so very bad, and while McCarthy gave it her all, I would say only Elisabeth Moss and Domhnall Gleeson were the only two good parts of it. |
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Post by countjohn on May 24, 2020 15:57:18 GMT
Spencer by far. Not even sure what the comparison is here outside of being fat.
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Post by Allenism on May 24, 2020 16:00:35 GMT
Spencer by far. Not even sure what the comparison is here outside of being fat. Maybe other people have differing opinions? JFC. |
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Post by pacinoyes on May 24, 2020 16:07:19 GMT
I think both have shown an impressive adaptability between genres but ultimately McCarthy’s work in “Can You Ever Forgive Me?” trumps anything her opponent has done. It’s worth considering that the former has had access to better opportunities (because racism), but she’s also made a lot of garbage so in that regard Spencer seems savvier in the roles that she’s chosen to take on. Well I don't know about the racism aspect (?) - Spencer was geared to be an actress and graduated from Auburn with an eye on a professional career - McCarthy had the advantage of having celebrities in her family (sorta, Jenny McCarthy) and her entry was no training just comedy and improv. Anyway Spencer is a legit better actress and I once did a poll on here which she may have actually won (maybe?) that compared her to Viola Davis - the only black Acting Triple Crown winner - and that's more the tier she's either at or will be at maybe as she hits her 50s. |
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Post by countjohn on May 24, 2020 16:07:40 GMT
Spencer by far. Not even sure what the comparison is here outside of being fat. Maybe other people have differing opinions? JFC. Usually there's some kind of common thread when we do actor comparison threads and I just don't see much of one here. It's someone who's mostly been a lead in comedies vs someone who's mostly been a supporting actor in dramas. |
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Post by stephen on May 24, 2020 16:17:22 GMT
Octavia Spencer makes a very strong case of being one of the finest character actresses working. She is always the highlight of whatever she's in, regardless of the screentime.
McCarthy is excellent and Can You Ever Forgive Me? is probably the best performance between the two, but I'd take Spencer overall.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 24, 2020 16:36:37 GMT
Spencer by far!!
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Post by ibbi on May 24, 2020 17:03:06 GMT
Once upon a time I'd have easily gone with Octavia, like around the time they both got that first Oscar nomination together, and pie pooper was so triumphant, and sink pooper wasn't even the best in her own movie (let's not open that old wound again), but between the trio of St. Vincent, Spy, and Can You Ever Forgive Me I have totally turned around on McCarthy (she's about as good as any actress working in the mainstream right now), and I don't know that I've liked Spencer in anything since The Help. The only joke more comical than all the praise she got for Fruitvale Station was her last two hiLARIOUS Oscar nominations.
It's so funny how she's gone from that woman who was in everything, whose name nobody knew, and never got singled out for praise, to getting multiple nominations just for doing a competent job in popular movies. Where was the in between part?
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Post by Micah on May 24, 2020 17:13:13 GMT
Spencer by far. Not even sure what the comparison is here outside of being fat. Alright cool kid, settle down. Like what the fuck was even the point of saying that? |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 24, 2020 18:12:16 GMT
I really like McCarthy so much, but I honestly think Octavia Spencer is one of the 3 - 5 best actors working today.
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Post by cheesecake on May 24, 2020 18:34:15 GMT
Love both and agree with those saying CYEFM? is the best performance of the two, but Spencer has a better filmography over all.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 24, 2020 22:50:57 GMT
I think both have shown an impressive adaptability between genres but ultimately McCarthy’s work in “Can You Ever Forgive Me?” trumps anything her opponent has done. It’s worth considering that the former has had access to better opportunities (because racism), but she’s also made a lot of garbage so in that regard Spencer seems savvier in the roles that she’s chosen to take on. This is basically me. I think that McCarthy's work in Can You Ever Forgive Me? is the best work that either of them has done, but I find that Spencer generally chooses better projects. Even with something like Ma, I thought Spencer was definitely MVP, and kept it fun enough that I really enjoyed it even though it was such a silly movie, but for awhile there McCarthy was becoming like Sandler/Ferrell/Carrey etc. in that she might be the best part of her movies, but the quality was so bad in many of them that I was just becoming over her. Or even with The Kitchen last year, that was so, so, so very bad, and while McCarthy gave it her all, I would say only Elisabeth Moss and Domhnall Gleeson were the only two good parts of it. Same. McCarthy's career is so disappointing to me. I know she is or was fat, so options are limited as far as Hollywood goes (ha, ha, funny lady goes boom etc...), but she's generally picked poor projects to star in, including one she wrote with her husband director. The Kitchen felt like an attempt to reach out of the box, but she had tested audiences patience too far, that it ended up being a flop and poorly received. Something like Can You Ever Forgive Me?, was such a breath of fresh air for her, but it also highlights the movies she should be doing more of as opposed to the movies she did end up doing. Spencer in comparison has had more of a solid track record, even her bad movies like The Shack can be explained by the limitations of her being black as tragic as that is to say. Ma was a movie that was kinda "eh, whatever" to me, but I think Spencer was a lot of fun playing a "misleadingly sweet horror villain", and it allowed to her really dig into a different character as opposed to just being the best friend. I know she tries sometimes, but I wish McCarthy would stretch herself more like that. |
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Post by Martin Stett on May 24, 2020 23:16:50 GMT
The only McCarthy I've seen is Can You Ever Forgive Me (apparently she had bit roles in a few others I've seen before she was famous) and Olivia Colman stole that Oscar so brazenly, it is unbelievable.
Spencer is always solid and one of the better parts of the crap projects she always seems to be in.
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Post by avnermoriarti on May 25, 2020 5:46:27 GMT
For me it's very close, I could watch a movie just based on their names, Spencer is a more effortless presence, she easily gives hints of who the person she's playing is beyond the facade of a one note supporting role, last year she managed to come triumphant in two films that could be an absolute disaster without her contribution, in fact Ma might be my favourite performace from her. But when McCarthy is at the top of her game, she's way more effective, her show can be labeled as trademark or something, and that has happen more times this past decade, so I have to go with her.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 25, 2020 5:59:09 GMT
Interesting comparison. Both have had to fight to keep from being pigeon-holed into types and both face obstacles but McCarthy has had more lead roles. As such, her CYEFM dramatic breakout which was already impressive was doubly so because it was new ground for her and had the novelty factor. Spencer hasn't really had those kinds of opportunities yet. Her lead role was in Ma (yikes). She needs more offers.
That being said, I went with Spencer today. Love the hell outta McCarthy (she was the best thing about Bridesmaids goddamnit) and look forward to her taking on more dramatic parts but I think Spencer overall has been able to make more out of less. She lights up every character she inhabits, even the roles that are beneath her, and excels on a nice range from lighter fare (The Help, Shape of Water) to heavier stuff (Fruitvale, Luce). I think when she finally does get a breakout lead dramatic role, it's going to knock us on our asses.
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