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Post by Pavan on Nov 23, 2023 4:36:12 GMT
Next headline is gonna be "ghostface is not returning to Scream 7"
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 26, 2023 16:51:23 GMT
I don't particulary care about either Berrera or Ortega in SCREAM (I want Neve Campbell back ASAP!) but Berreira being fired over her support for innocent Palestinian civilians being exterminated is absolutely BS ! God knows how much I want Israel to have the right exist and I pray for a 2 states solution , and I'm truly horrifed about what happened on October 7th in Israel , etc. but what's currently happening in Gaza is an absolute abomination.Barrera expressing her solidarity for civilians dying (FYI : innocent palestinans ≠ Hamas and Benyamin Netanyahou's government ≠ all of the Israelis + the jewish population worldwide) and wanting a ceasfire should not be regarded as either controversial or antisemitic. That being said , I have less sympathy for Sarandon and her disgusting comments about "Jews who are afraid are now aware of what it feels like to be a muslim in america" and "there is a context for October 7th ...an assault happened". Yeah sure Susan . I mean it's not as if Jews haven't been persecuted for centuries, right ? Also let's pretend that antisemitism hasn't been on the rise in America and all over the world since 2021 , right ? Those type of comments are absolutely reckless and dangerous. You can perfectly express your outrage over the rise of islamophobia without trying to minimize the pain and the fear of the jewish people.Glad UA gave her the boot.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 26, 2023 17:16:23 GMT
"As a Latina, a proud Mexicana, I feel the responsibility of having a platform that allows me the privilege of being heard...........“Silence is not an option for me.”Neither apparently is employment in the Scream movies for them .......... what, not funny? Nobody told her to be silent - she liked a post that said the Jews distort the Holocaust to fund their war machine.......no one wants to hear that shit......you're an actress......act .......or deal with the consequences of people not wanting to work with you I wonder if THAT post costs her more potential jobs actually ..... Imagine being a Jewish producer or casting director and wanting that headache on your set.......... Also : Mexicana made me laugh ......like oh she's a Mexicana - that changes everything
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Nov 27, 2023 4:52:53 GMT
Nobody told her to be silent - she liked a post that said the Jews distort the Holocaust to fund their war machine.......no one wants to hear that shit......you're an actress......act .......or deal with the consequences of people not wanting to work with you I think additional context is important here... not only regarding the source of the post she shared ( an article in Jewish Currents magazine written by an Israeli historian who directs a Holocaust and Genocide Studies program at Stockton University, and who has written multiple books about the Holocaust), but also what exactly the phrase “distorting the Holocaust” means in this case. The article doesn’t actually delve into the issue of distorting the Holocaust to boost arms trade, but it links to a different article by the same author that is worth reading for more context. Barrera is dealing with the consequences of people not wanting to work with her... because people are too lazy to actually read apparently...
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Nov 27, 2023 5:27:48 GMT
"As a Latina, a proud Mexicana, I feel the responsibility of having a platform that allows me the privilege of being heard...........“Silence is not an option for me.”Neither apparently is employment in the Scream movies for them .......... what, not funny? Nobody told her to be silent - she liked a post that said the Jews distort the Holocaust to fund their war machine.......no one wants to hear that shit......you're an actress......act .......or deal with the consequences of people not wanting to work with you I wonder if THAT post costs her more potential jobs actually ..... Imagine being a Jewish producer or casting director and wanting that headache on your set.......... Also : Mexicana made me laugh ......like oh she's a Mexicana - that changes everything You continue to not understand and to willfully misinterpret what she meant. The post below yours does an excellent job of spelling it out, but everything she said was TRUE and NOTHING she said was remotely anti-semetic or hateful. Just facts. This is a manufactured, McCarthy-like, shamefully disingenuous, utter BULLSHIT "controversy." Period, end of. 🙌
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 27, 2023 10:12:33 GMT
It's funny how intent matters when YOU agree with what she said.
..........as well as saying she agreed with a Jewish historian (who cares? What a fncking disingenuous thing to say - Are there black historians who feel Derek Chauvin was wrongly convicted? I'm sure there are somewhee - and who gives AF? To quote THAT opinion would have been inflammatory and fireable too ffs)........the point is fellas - she's an employee - she has no right to that job ....all i'm saying - do you think Spyglass should be forced to agree with her - that she's "unfireable"? No you do not - so besides telling pacinoyes why he's wrong, go chase yourself instead.....it's a benign post.....not a politically charged post:
I do have an opinion on it politically too - but see this isn't MY board so I restrain myself in respect to the moderators who would quite rightly throw ALL of us off this board if they would like .......and could do it rightly right now too......because for all of us........ Silence actually is an Option.......and there's a time and place for such discussion and this ain't it.......
I wish her the best with her future projects.....shrug.....
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Nov 27, 2023 22:03:54 GMT
Right, because the author’s ethnicity was the ONLY thing in my post that was important. It’s funny when you make a post stressing the need for context... and then someone attacks it by taking something out of context lol. What’s disingenuous is cherry picking one detail of my post and ignoring the entire fucking rest of it, NOT me providing necessary info about the source of the post Barrera shared. “She has no right to that job” – okay fine... but somehow I get the feeling we wouldn’t be seeing the same “tough break, way it goes” anti-outrage attitude if, like, Novak Djokovic gets cancelled for speaking about how weird it is to autograph chests of male fans because people interpret it as homophobic or something.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 27, 2023 22:32:04 GMT
“She has no right to that job” – okay fine... but somehow I get the feeling we wouldn’t be seeing the same “tough break, way it goes” anti-outrage attitude if, like, Novak Djokovic gets cancelled for speaking about how weird it is to autograph chests of male fans because people interpret it as homophobic or something. Wrong again.......you have clearly shown as much "nuance" on this situation as you have a good memory in general...........wanna talk about something you know about? Movies? Pizza? Hockey? Hey - I saw Maestro........play nice, move on ffs.......
" I mean he wouldn't have even gone there - he knew what he's giving up - he took a risk and lost but he knew the risk he was taking - it was anonymous - Djoko did not use his name, he was not requesting a special privilege ..............it didn't work, so he deserves to leave - no one has the "right" to play in a tournament that doesn't want them in...........too bad better luck next time." - Jan 7, 2022 at 5:25am pacinoyes movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/post/401300
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Post by quetee on Nov 27, 2023 23:38:28 GMT
Next headline is gonna be "ghostface is not returning to Scream 7" haha. That's funny.
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Post by quetee on Nov 27, 2023 23:39:14 GMT
First, didn't like Melissa anyway. I liked Jenna but fine.
They should just do prequel with Maureen Prescott.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Nov 28, 2023 1:15:01 GMT
“She has no right to that job” – okay fine... but somehow I get the feeling we wouldn’t be seeing the same “tough break, way it goes” anti-outrage attitude if, like, Novak Djokovic gets cancelled for speaking about how weird it is to autograph chests of male fans because people interpret it as homophobic or something. Wrong again.......you have clearly shown as much "nuance" on this situation as you have a good memory in general...........wanna talk about something you know about? Movies? Pizza? Hockey? Hey - I saw Maestro........play nice, move on ffs....... Again? Hmmm, can’t seem to remember the other time I was wrong in this thread, so maybe my memory IS failing me… but I do know I’m not the one siding with the people at Spyglass who either lack reading comprehension skills or refuse to understand what “distorting the Holocaust” actually means in this context and would rather settle for their own knee jerk interpretation.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 28, 2023 13:40:59 GMT
“She has no right to that job” – okay fine... but somehow I get the feeling we wouldn’t be seeing the same “tough break, way it goes” anti-outrage attitude if, like, Novak Djokovic gets cancelled for speaking about how weird it is to autograph chests of male fans because " Hmmm, can’t seem to remember the other time I was wrong in this threadpeople interpret it as homophobic or something. * "Hmmm, can’t seem to remember the other time I was wrong in this thread" My bad -I meant #1 and #2 below - but I can see where you wouldn't think #1 actually counts - because you did - eventually just agree with my ONE point in this thread anyway.......so it's all good. * #1 I meant that you finally admitted I was right (see above) - your first sentence .
* #2 - You obviously were (hilariously tbh) wrong about what you presumed to know about me and MY opinions on the behavior of people I like -
Novak Djokovic didn't get a free pass from me when his bosses told him that there ARE indeed consequences for behavior / choices in Jan 2022 did he? ........and that same logic applies in all my reasoning........... because I, like Camus and Kant am also a smart fncker with solid Reading Comprehension but without Moral Relativism........ *******************************" I mean he wouldn't have even gone there - he knew what he's giving up - he took a risk and lost but he knew the risk he was taking - it was anonymous - Djoko did not use his name, he was not requesting a special privilege ..............it didn't work, so he deserves to leave - no one has the "right" to play in a tournament that doesn't want them in...........too bad better luck next time." - Jan 7, 2022 at 5:25am pacinoyes movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/post/401300
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Nov 29, 2023 8:15:50 GMT
Actually no, that wasn’t your one point in this thread. Another point you made was that “she should have been fired.......I'd have fired her myself”... which is a questionable take to say the least.
And regarding the other point, I’ll just repost something Lord_Buscemi said earlier in the thread because it bears repeating:
“No one has a right to anything in the industry. Doesn't make it right for some producer to torpedo a project, ruining it for all the creatives involved, because they took issue with an actor for speaking up about ongoing atrocities, falsely smearing them.”
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 29, 2023 8:47:39 GMT
“No one has a right to anything in the industry. Doesn't make it right for some producer to torpedo a project, ruining it for all the creatives involved, because they took issue with an actor for speaking up about ongoing atrocities, falsely smearing them.”
The difference between "right" with "rights" , No one has the employee right to make people uncomfortable and disrupt a workplace which I'm sure she did to those creatives. I'm offended by her invocation of the trope that the Jews control Western media and I'm not a Jew. Melissa Barrera ruined it for those creatives, Melissa Barrera ruined it for herself.....Melissa Barrera fired herself....see her filing any wrongful dismissal lawsuits?
Nope........Tough break, way it goes.....she's still fired right? No "wrongful termination" lawsuit?
Yeah, that's what I thought.......
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Nov 29, 2023 16:42:58 GMT
“No one has a right to anything in the industry. Doesn't make it right for some producer to torpedo a project, ruining it for all the creatives involved, because they took issue with an actor for speaking up about ongoing atrocities, falsely smearing them.” The difference between "right" with "rights" , No one has the employee right to make people uncomfortable and disrupt a workplace which I'm sure she did to those creatives. I'm offended by her invocation of the trope that the Jews control Western media and I'm not a Jew. Melissa Barrera ruined it for those creatives, Melissa Barrera ruined it for herself.....Melissa Barrera fired herself....see her filing any wrongful dismissal lawsuits? Nope........Tough break, way it goes.....she's still fired right? No "wrongful termination" lawsuit? Yeah, that's what I thought....... Again, you're being disingenuous and dishonest about what she said. She said NOTHING about "jews control the Western media", that's what YOU interpreted from her statement, and it's a GIANT leap. And she very well COULD sue their McCarthy-ing asses if she wanted to, and she'd have a case, but she might think better to move on from such a dishonest and corrupt studio. She said nothing, zip, puta NADA that meets the standards of "hateful statements" that the SpyGlass scumfucks mentioned in their nauseatingly dishonest virtue-signaling statement explaining the firing. And Millenials and Gen Z haven't been programmed with that sick & illogical "any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic" mentality, which is shown by the fact that literally EVERY news story about this in social media posts shows most SCREAM fans are on HER side and blame the lying producers for ruining the franchise, NOT her. They fucked up and, unfortunately for them, this isn't a James Gunn situation where they can just reverse the firing a few months later without any explanation. Either SCREAM is dead, or SCREAM via SpyGlass is dead. Either way, SpyGlass is F-U-C-K-E-D and Barrera will be just fine. Also, knowing her politics, it's just a matter of time before Jasmine Savoy quits too and Mason Gooding will follow suit. Which means all of the new trilogy main Core4 will be OUT.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 29, 2023 16:56:05 GMT
“No one has a right to anything in the industry. Doesn't make it right for some producer to torpedo a project, ruining it for all the creatives involved, because they took issue with an actor for speaking up about ongoing atrocities, falsely smearing them.” The difference between "right" with "rights" , No one has the employee right to make people uncomfortable and disrupt a workplace which I'm sure she did to those creatives. I'm offended by her invocation of the trope that the Jews control Western media and I'm not a Jew. Melissa Barrera ruined it for those creatives, Melissa Barrera ruined it for herself.....Melissa Barrera fired herself....see her filing any wrongful dismissal lawsuits? Nope........Tough break, way it goes.....she's still fired right? No "wrongful termination" lawsuit? Yeah, that's what I thought....... Again, you're being disingenuous and dishonest about what she said. She said NOTHING about "jews control the Western media", that's what YOU interpreted from her statement Wrong - that's what the people who fired her interpreted it as though (see below) so they fired her .........which was within THEIR rights.........still fired......nothing new to discuss. Nothing......... "Vague reports from Slashfilm and Variety said Barrera was let go for promoting “an antisemitic trope that Jews control the media.” Many online assumed this was in reference to an Instagram post in which Barrera lamented how she couldn’t find information about the war from the “Palestinian side.”
“[W]estern media only shows the other side,” Barrera posted. “Why they do that, I will let you deduce for yourself.”forward.com/culture/570813/susan-sarandon-melissa-barrera-fired-scream-talent-israel-palestine/
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Post by dazed on Dec 23, 2023 21:14:43 GMT
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