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Post by Archie on Jan 31, 2023 0:46:34 GMT
Show is getting review bombed on IMDB. I wonder why...
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Post by stephen on Jan 31, 2023 1:57:34 GMT
Um, that might be the best television episode since The Leftovers ended.
If Offerman and Bartlett aren’t nominated for Guest Actor Emmys, there’s no justice.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jan 31, 2023 3:13:24 GMT
Show is getting review bombed on IMDB. I wonder why... Encouraging sign that everyone's gonna be super normal about Season 2.
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Post by stephen on Jan 31, 2023 3:39:08 GMT
Show is getting review bombed on IMDB. I wonder why... Encouraging sign that everyone's gonna be super normal about Season 2. I have a feeling they're going to bridge the gap between games and we're gonna get mainly original content for Season 2. But yeah, I have a sickening feeling about what's to come from the toxic cesspool.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jan 31, 2023 4:07:09 GMT
Encouraging sign that everyone's gonna be super normal about Season 2. I have a feeling they're going to bridge the gap between games and we're gonna get mainly original content for Season 2. I'd be into this, but Druckmann's tweet upon the renewal seems to imply Season 2 will at least primarily be adapting Part II.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jan 31, 2023 6:13:46 GMT
I have a feeling they're going to bridge the gap between games and we're gonna get mainly original content for Season 2. I'd be into this, but Druckmann's tweet upon the renewal seems to imply Season 2 will at least primarily be adapting Part II. Probably might just do the flashbacks. I feel like we can save Abby for a little further down the line
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Post by stephen on Jan 31, 2023 14:32:27 GMT
I'd be into this, but Druckmann's tweet upon the renewal seems to imply Season 2 will at least primarily be adapting Part II. Probably might just do the flashbacks. I feel like we can save Abby for a little further down the line I definitely think Part II is too much to do as a single season as is. They'll want to really build up Abby and Owen, as well as the threat of Isaac and the Seraphites. Plus seeing Ellie develop and become more independent, setting the stage for her confrontation with Joel. I can see the main storyline events of Part II working for Season 3, and I do feel that Druckmann was playing coy and saying that they'll be drawing from Part II doesn't mean that they'll be doing the main story there.
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Post by Archie on Jan 31, 2023 14:47:55 GMT
Mazin already said he wants 2 seasons for Part II.
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Post by Archie on Jan 31, 2023 15:08:55 GMT
Rewatched all 3 episodes and I just wanna say that I really love Anna Torv. That is all.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 6, 2023 3:23:18 GMT
“ Please Hold My Hand” just dropped, and while I do think this is the weakest episode so far, even at its weakest this show is still grabbing me, and refusing to let go. Full thoughts in the spoilers tags. This episode is essentially a build up episode. Hell, the ending tag essentially admits that, as HBO Max is gonna let us stream the next episode early on Friday, so this is the first of a two-parter. So it certainly feels like it’s buying time (which it was inevitably going to, if you know the source material), but it still fits a lot of great stuff in there.
The bond between Joel and Ellie continues to be the show’s defining strength, and that relationship gets a LOT of time in the spotlight. For one, I think the conversations between the two are absolutely endearing, and I love that we’re starting to see more of their personalities come out in these trivial, but no less significant chats.
Joel with his knowledge of “what, not how” in relation to routine activities like siphoning, his penchant for coffee, and his roundabout rambling parenting skills. Ellie with her sarcastic sense of reasoning, her lack of familial connection in the world, and especially her questionable humor.
The pun book made it, man. That was everything I wanted to see and sooo much more. I knew the diarrhea gag was coming, and I was still busting a gasket.
Also, I don’t actually mind that they stripped away the antagonism between them in the fallout of Ellie’s first gunshot. I think the effect of the (almost) kill on Ellie, as well as the weight of having been forced to kill been perfectly felt, and the more implied, dialed back response from Joel in the wind down was a refreshingly sensitive touch. I always did find Joel’s response in the game a little stubborn (even if that is the point), so this feels like an improvement on their bond.
That said, I do feel like this episode can be stingy. At only 45 minutes, it’s not only the shortest episode, but also feels like it’s conserving its budget. Which would be fine, but I almost wish there were more bang for our buck. It kind of feels like they’re saving their big cards for the next episode.
I was a little disappointed with the convenience store shootout, which doesn’t have a lot of dynamic staging, and seems to imply bigger effects than is actually felt.
Also, I’m gonna wait to see how I feel about Kathleen next episode, as while Melanie Lynskey does bring an intimidating chill to what screentime she has, it still feels like her character is being deliberately left in the dark. At least until the next episode, which is when I assume she’ll REALLY shine.
Also, I know exactly what’s gonna be in that big ass crater, and I’m hyped to see it, but it was another thing that made me go “tune in next time.” While I feel like it would be an insult to call this one a “time waster” episode, that is sort of what it feels like, though I imagine with binge watching, this flaw will be easily forgivable in the future. That said, even as a filler episode, this show is still really damn awesome, and for what it’s worth, the next one looks to be MASSIVE, and I can’t wait to see what’s next.
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 6, 2023 3:49:21 GMT
“ Please Hold My Hand” just dropped, and while I do think this is the weakest episode so far, even at its weakest this show is still grabbing me, and refusing to let go. Full thoughts in the spoilers tags. This episode is essentially a build up episode. Hell, the ending tag essentially admits that, as HBO Max is gonna let us stream the next episode early on Friday, so this is the first of a two-parter. So it certainly feels like it’s buying time (which it was inevitably going to, if you know the source material), but it still fits a lot of great stuff in there.
The bond between Joel and Ellie continues to be the show’s defining strength, and that relationship gets a LOT of time in the spotlight. For one, I think the conversations between the two are absolutely endearing, and I love that we’re starting to see more of their personalities come out in these trivial, but no less significant chats.
Joel with his knowledge of “what, not how” in relation to routine activities like siphoning, his penchant for coffee, and his roundabout rambling parenting skills. Ellie with her sarcastic sense of reasoning, her lack of familial connection in the world, and especially her questionable humor.
The pun book made it, man. That was everything I wanted to see and sooo much more. I knew the diarrhea gag was coming, and I was still busting a gasket.
Also, I don’t actually mind that they stripped away the antagonism between them in the fallout of Ellie’s first gunshot. I think the effect of the (almost) kill on Ellie, as well as the weight of having been forced to kill been perfectly felt, and the more implied, dialed back response from Joel in the wind down was a refreshingly sensitive touch. I always did find Joel’s response in the game a little stubborn (even if that is the point), so this feels like an improvement on their bond.
That said, I do feel like this episode can be stingy. At only 45 minutes, it’s not only the shortest episode, but also feels like it’s conserving its budget. Which would be fine, but I almost wish there were more bang for our buck. It kind of feels like they’re saving their big cards for the next episode.
I was a little disappointed with the convenience store shootout, which doesn’t have a lot of dynamic staging, and seems to imply bigger effects than is actually felt.
Also, I’m gonna wait to see how I feel about Kathleen next episode, as while Melanie Lynskey does bring an intimidating chill to what screentime she has, it still feels like her character is being deliberately left in the dark. At least until the next episode, which is when I assume she’ll REALLY shine.
Also, I know exactly what’s gonna be in that big ass crater, and I’m hyped to see it, but it was another thing that made me go “tune in next time.” While I feel like it would be an insult to call this one a “time waster” episode, that is sort of what it feels like, though I imagine with binge watching, this flaw will be easily forgivable in the future. That said, even as a filler episode, this show is still really damn awesome, and for what it’s worth, the next one looks to be MASSIVE, and I can’t wait to see what’s next. I'm pretty sure the early drop is mainly to avoid the Super Bowl.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 6, 2023 4:09:26 GMT
“ Please Hold My Hand” just dropped, and while I do think this is the weakest episode so far, even at its weakest this show is still grabbing me, and refusing to let go. Full thoughts in the spoilers tags. This episode is essentially a build up episode. Hell, the ending tag essentially admits that, as HBO Max is gonna let us stream the next episode early on Friday, so this is the first of a two-parter. So it certainly feels like it’s buying time (which it was inevitably going to, if you know the source material), but it still fits a lot of great stuff in there.
The bond between Joel and Ellie continues to be the show’s defining strength, and that relationship gets a LOT of time in the spotlight. For one, I think the conversations between the two are absolutely endearing, and I love that we’re starting to see more of their personalities come out in these trivial, but no less significant chats.
Joel with his knowledge of “what, not how” in relation to routine activities like siphoning, his penchant for coffee, and his roundabout rambling parenting skills. Ellie with her sarcastic sense of reasoning, her lack of familial connection in the world, and especially her questionable humor.
The pun book made it, man. That was everything I wanted to see and sooo much more. I knew the diarrhea gag was coming, and I was still busting a gasket.
Also, I don’t actually mind that they stripped away the antagonism between them in the fallout of Ellie’s first gunshot. I think the effect of the (almost) kill on Ellie, as well as the weight of having been forced to kill been perfectly felt, and the more implied, dialed back response from Joel in the wind down was a refreshingly sensitive touch. I always did find Joel’s response in the game a little stubborn (even if that is the point), so this feels like an improvement on their bond.
That said, I do feel like this episode can be stingy. At only 45 minutes, it’s not only the shortest episode, but also feels like it’s conserving its budget. Which would be fine, but I almost wish there were more bang for our buck. It kind of feels like they’re saving their big cards for the next episode.
I was a little disappointed with the convenience store shootout, which doesn’t have a lot of dynamic staging, and seems to imply bigger effects than is actually felt.
Also, I’m gonna wait to see how I feel about Kathleen next episode, as while Melanie Lynskey does bring an intimidating chill to what screentime she has, it still feels like her character is being deliberately left in the dark. At least until the next episode, which is when I assume she’ll REALLY shine.
Also, I know exactly what’s gonna be in that big ass crater, and I’m hyped to see it, but it was another thing that made me go “tune in next time.” While I feel like it would be an insult to call this one a “time waster” episode, that is sort of what it feels like, though I imagine with binge watching, this flaw will be easily forgivable in the future. That said, even as a filler episode, this show is still really damn awesome, and for what it’s worth, the next one looks to be MASSIVE, and I can’t wait to see what’s next. I'm pretty sure the early drop is mainly to avoid the Super Bowl. I had completely forgotten that even existed. That makes more sense now. EDIT: Hell, I don’t even have Fox anymore, so I wouldn’t even be able to watch it.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 6, 2023 13:36:44 GMT
“ Please Hold My Hand” just dropped, and while I do think this is the weakest episode so far, even at its weakest this show is still grabbing me, and refusing to let go. Full thoughts in the spoilers tags. This episode is essentially a build up episode. Hell, the ending tag essentially admits that, as HBO Max is gonna let us stream the next episode early on Friday, so this is the first of a two-parter. So it certainly feels like it’s buying time (which it was inevitably going to, if you know the source material), but it still fits a lot of great stuff in there.
The bond between Joel and Ellie continues to be the show’s defining strength, and that relationship gets a LOT of time in the spotlight. For one, I think the conversations between the two are absolutely endearing, and I love that we’re starting to see more of their personalities come out in these trivial, but no less significant chats.
Joel with his knowledge of “what, not how” in relation to routine activities like siphoning, his penchant for coffee, and his roundabout rambling parenting skills. Ellie with her sarcastic sense of reasoning, her lack of familial connection in the world, and especially her questionable humor.
The pun book made it, man. That was everything I wanted to see and sooo much more. I knew the diarrhea gag was coming, and I was still busting a gasket.
Also, I don’t actually mind that they stripped away the antagonism between them in the fallout of Ellie’s first gunshot. I think the effect of the (almost) kill on Ellie, as well as the weight of having been forced to kill been perfectly felt, and the more implied, dialed back response from Joel in the wind down was a refreshingly sensitive touch. I always did find Joel’s response in the game a little stubborn (even if that is the point), so this feels like an improvement on their bond.
That said, I do feel like this episode can be stingy. At only 45 minutes, it’s not only the shortest episode, but also feels like it’s conserving its budget. Which would be fine, but I almost wish there were more bang for our buck. It kind of feels like they’re saving their big cards for the next episode.
I was a little disappointed with the convenience store shootout, which doesn’t have a lot of dynamic staging, and seems to imply bigger effects than is actually felt.
Also, I’m gonna wait to see how I feel about Kathleen next episode, as while Melanie Lynskey does bring an intimidating chill to what screentime she has, it still feels like her character is being deliberately left in the dark. At least until the next episode, which is when I assume she’ll REALLY shine.
Also, I know exactly what’s gonna be in that big ass crater, and I’m hyped to see it, but it was another thing that made me go “tune in next time.” While I feel like it would be an insult to call this one a “time waster” episode, that is sort of what it feels like, though I imagine with binge watching, this flaw will be easily forgivable in the future. That said, even as a filler episode, this show is still really damn awesome, and for what it’s worth, the next one looks to be MASSIVE, and I can’t wait to see what’s next. I'm pretty sure the early drop is mainly to avoid the Super Bowl. Which is much appreciated
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Post by stephen on Feb 6, 2023 18:18:25 GMT
Maybe it's because we were coming off the heels of the best hour of television since The Leftovers took its final bow, but this one left me a little unsatisfied. Not because it's bad (far from it, it's excellent and Melanie Lynskey dominated her screentime), but for how brief it was. This is definitely an episode that could've benefited for a bit of breathing room and more of an insight into the mechanics of how Kansas City functioned. But there are some truly superb moments in this episode, largely surrounding Joel and Ellie's dynamics. I really appreciate how Pascal's Joel is much more talkative, forthcoming, and almost playful at times. He's a hardened man but he's not an unlikable one, and it's easy to see how he can be swayed by Ellie's exuberance. The Bryan sequence was actually really unnerving (the way the poor kid was begging), and I really liked how they handled the scene where Joel and Ellie talk about the aftermath of that even more than the games.
Also, the diarrhea joke was gold. That's one of my old favourites and I love that Joel cracked over it.
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Post by DeepArcher on Feb 6, 2023 20:15:00 GMT
I guess I'm gonna continue to go against the grain. Honestly, I think my favorite episode so far, at least my favorite since the ep. 1 prologue stuff. As frustrated as I get by the obvious Part 1 of 2 structure, it honestly feels like it has a nice self-contained emotional arc to it in developing the central relationship. This episode did a damn impressive job at preserving the best parts of the source material and implementing and adapting them in new ways - using Ellie's pun book for a genuine emotional beat, for example. It was great, and Jeffrey Pierce showing up like he just wandered off the set of Sicario 3 was the icing on the cake.
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Post by VERITAS on Feb 6, 2023 22:14:14 GMT
Melanie "The Brick" Lynskey. Personally enjoyed this episode. Obviously less weighty than the previous but that's what we call context/story building (for Henry) not "filler" plus Joel and Ellie deserved some more development, which was delivered proper...
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 6, 2023 22:22:19 GMT
Melanie "The Brick" Lynskey. Personally enjoyed this episode. Obviously less weighty than the previous but that's what we call context/story building (for Henry) not "filler" plus Joel and Ellie deserved some more development, which was delivered proper... Do I dare ask??
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Post by VERITAS on Feb 6, 2023 22:45:06 GMT
Melanie "The Brick" Lynskey. Personally enjoyed this episode. Obviously less weighty than the previous but that's what we call context/story building (for Henry) not "filler" plus Joel and Ellie deserved some more development, which was delivered proper... Do I dare ask?? *unintelligible hysterical cries of pain*
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Post by Archie on Feb 7, 2023 18:58:09 GMT
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 7, 2023 19:46:04 GMT
Assuming this is real, which it sounds like a parody account… 1. I kind of have no respect for people saying “I shut x off after y minutes.” If tearing yourself away from it is so easy, it’s basically admitting you had no intention of giving it a fair shake to begin with. For the regular bystander, that inattention may be one thing. For veterans of their field, that’s outright baffling. 2. If he didn’t like it, fine. It’s not everybody’s speed, but you leave a lot of yourself bare when criticizing something. I feel like, for someone behind the (purportedly) brilliant First Reformed, it seems like a gross over-simplification of what’s actually happening on screen. It almost feels like he has no interest, or willingness, to dive into the headier psychological ideas behind the story, and essentially reducing it to “I didn’t like it” bullet point responses, and being this is his field of experience, I thought he’d know better.
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Post by VERITAS on Feb 7, 2023 21:05:25 GMT
New autobiography title just dropped - "Gay Bro Euthanasia"
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 7, 2023 21:09:03 GMT
Assuming this is real, which it sounds like a parody account… 1. I kind of have no respect for people saying “I shut x off after y minutes.” If tearing yourself away from it is so easy, it’s basically admitting you had no intention of giving it a fair shake to begin with. For the regular bystander, that inattention may be one thing. For veterans of their field, that’s outright baffling. 2. If he didn’t like it, fine. It’s not everybody’s speed, but you leave a lot of yourself bare when criticizing something. I feel like, for someone behind the (purportedly) brilliant First Reformed, it seems like a gross over-simplification of what’s actually happening on screen. It almost feels like he has no interest, or willingness, to dive into the headier psychological ideas behind the story, and essentially reducing it to “I didn’t like it” bullet point responses, and being this is his field of experience, I thought he’d know better. It’s real
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 11, 2023 4:44:26 GMT
”Endure and Survive.” Hate cliffhangers or not, Ellie, if last week’s episode felt like an extended set up, this is a huge payoff. As critical as I was to last week’s episode, I can forgive a build up if the follow up is strong enough, and this is absolutely strong, and another return to form for the series’ gut-wrenching, heartbreaking roots. Full thoughts in spoilers. Henry and Sam get their time in the sun, and they are heart tugging soul of this episode. While the two brothers may have a lighter dynamic, with Henry less chastising of Sam’s childlike attitude, his new interpretation as an informant still fits neatly into the spirit of Henry’s character, of his desperation to keep his brother safe, even if it means to put others in danger: decisions with consequences that he may have yet to reconcile with.
Lamar Johnson is a spot on interpretation of Henry, no doubt, but Kevionn Woodard proves the real revelation, his version of Sam, a sensitive soul quashed by the bleak world of the infection, having some of the emotional - as well as visual highlights of the episode. The character’s newfound deafness adds some powerful new layers to his conversations with Ellie in particular, and the innocent bonding sessions formed between them.
But Melanie Lynskey makes the biggest turnover following last week’s episode, herself something of an inverse to Henry’s position. Her revolutionary leader is both tragic and sinister, furious with a violently fascist world, where even when empathy and forgiveness is asked for or even expected, so rarely is it given back in return. Also, Jeffrey Pierce makes a solid one-off appearance, as her closest confidant, and greatest enabler of her vengeful attitude.
The episode gets great mileage out of the mini-bottle episode in the episode’s beginning, before the extended stretch of suspense in the escape from Kansas City. Also, yeah, I squeed when we got to see the underground nursery. Obviously WE know the significance of Ish, but even for newcomers, it’s a nice bit of mystery left to the imagination, and provides a nice bonding moment for the child and parent surrogates. Perhaps a little too close to home for Joel.
The final third is where the build up really pays off, starting off with the minimal, but no less startling sniper run, leading into the rebellion assault on the nearby town, and the uprising of the underground infected.
And Bloaters, people! We got Bloaters! The reveal was as horrifying as I hoped it would be.
But then comes that final stretch, and somehow they made an already gut-wrenching twist that much more depressing, and a heartbreaking addition to Ellie’s motivation for her mission, her crippling survivor’s guilt, and desperation to make her immunity mean something. Her makeshift dedication to Sam at the gravesite… right in the feels. So I would say last week was a necessary evil. If it was a set up, it was an effective one for this follow-ups thrilling pay-offs, and emotional high points. While I would say there was probably a way to combine elements from this week’s episode, and give them to the last, the two of them still make a collectively great block of television.
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 11, 2023 6:11:59 GMT
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 11, 2023 10:54:11 GMT
Brutal. I know we all love Melanie Lynskey but I was glad that character was taken out. It wasn't a very good one. And in the end, it was a waste of her because it wasn't going anywhere, so her choices didn't pay off. Overall, weak appearance by her.
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