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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 15:56:11 GMT
In other words, who do you feel still most captures the collective imagination of general audiences today from that era?
Marlon Brando, James Dean, Audrey Hepburn, Grace Kelly, Marilyn Monroe, and Elizabeth Taylor... I think these are pretty inarguable. Who else would you add?
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Post by LaraQ on Dec 17, 2019 16:00:25 GMT
In other words, who do you feel still most captures the collective imagination of general audiences today from that era? Marlon Brando, James Dean, Audrey Hepburn, Grace Kelly, Marilyn Monroe, and Elizabeth Taylor... I think these are pretty inarguable. Who else would you add? Cary Grant Ava Gardner Lana Turner Spencer Tracy Clark Gable Laurence Olivier James Stewart |
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Post by stephen on Dec 17, 2019 16:01:20 GMT
Humphrey Bogart.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 17, 2019 16:07:52 GMT
Definitely Bogart who is a singular persona and actor and the first to use his persona in later roles and play off it - only somewhat rivaled by Nicholson as a singular type. He was a better actor than people think too - he had an unbelievable 1950s before he passed - he's just amazing - and for those people who argue filmography doesn't matter - look at his filmography .......great actors and stars are in great movies, period - that "he/she is better than their movies" thing only can take you so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 16:19:14 GMT
In other words, who do you feel still most captures the collective imagination of general audiences today from that era? Marlon Brando, James Dean, Audrey Hepburn, Grace Kelly, Marilyn Monroe, and Elizabeth Taylor... I think these are pretty inarguable. Who else would you add? Lana Turner Spencer Tracy Lovely list but these two are not included in the IMDb Star Meter's Top 5000 (the other 5 are), so I'm thinking that precludes them from qualifying. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 17, 2019 16:23:20 GMT
Kirk Douglas actually trends regularly on social media by virtue of still being alive (and being the progenitor of a Hollywood dynasty), so he's up there.
And everyone knows Spartacus.
Vivien Leigh, primarily for Gone With The Wind, and to a lesser extent for Streetcar Named Desire.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 17, 2019 16:49:52 GMT
Some of the big comedy acts like Charlie Chaplin, Laurel And Hardy and The Three Stooges seemed to have held firmer in popular culture than some of the more conventional stars.
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Post by ibbi on Dec 17, 2019 18:39:44 GMT
John Wayne?
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 17, 2019 18:56:12 GMT
He wasn't mentioned already?  Yeah, John Wayne wins this by a lot. I think he still gets voted in the top 10 Favorite actors by the American public (via the Harris Poll) on an annual basis. No dead classic actor retains that kind of relevance (not even the extremely well marketed ones like James Dean). Maybe Monroe, but that's probably it. |
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Post by ibbi on Dec 17, 2019 19:21:05 GMT
He wasn't mentioned already? Yeah, John Wayne wins this by a lot. I think he still gets voted in the top 10 Favorite actors by the American public (via the Harris Poll) on an annual basis. No dead classic actor retains that kind of relevance (not even the extremely well marketed ones like James Dean). Maybe Monroe, but that's probably it. Yeah, to me Norma Jean and the Duke are always the go to answers in questions like this. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 18, 2019 12:31:26 GMT
Wayne, Brando, Dean, Bogart, Chaplin, Grant, Gable, Monroe, Hepburn, Taylor, Laurel and Hardy.
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Post by Longtallsally on Dec 18, 2019 14:43:42 GMT
Bette Davis
Henry Fonda
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Post by cherry68 on Dec 18, 2019 14:54:35 GMT
Among the ones who weren't mentioned yet, I think Rita Hayworth is pretty iconic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 15:02:02 GMT
Among the ones who weren't mentioned yet, I think Rita Hayworth is pretty iconic. Surprised you didn't mention Sophia Loren!  I'm also surprised Katharine Hepburn hasn't come up at all... |
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Dec 18, 2019 15:19:06 GMT
One name comes to mind: Marilyn Monroe. And btw my love for her has grown in recent months. I think I finally get her allure.
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Post by cherry68 on Dec 18, 2019 17:29:59 GMT
Among the ones who weren't mentioned yet, I think Rita Hayworth is pretty iconic. Surprised you didn't mention Sophia Loren! I'm also surprised Katharine Hepburn hasn't come up at all... I consider Loren more Italian than Hollywood (her best performances at least) ☺ I read Hepburn in a post and I didn't notice it was only Audrey named there 😁 |
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Post by jimmalone on Dec 18, 2019 17:35:51 GMT
That was my first thought as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 18:15:53 GMT
One name comes to mind: Marilyn Monroe. And btw my love for her has grown in recent months. I think I finally get her allure. I love this photo of her writing in her diary -  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 18, 2019 18:29:19 GMT
I love this photo of her writing in her diary - I literally stared at this photo for 10 minutes without realizing she was writing or that there was even a diary at all.  |
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Dec 18, 2019 23:32:33 GMT
One name comes to mind: Marilyn Monroe. And btw my love for her has grown in recent months. I think I finally get her allure. I love this photo of her writing in her diary - And she was a bookworm too. |
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Post by countjohn on Dec 18, 2019 23:36:52 GMT
I think we've about covered it. There are those particular kinds of girls who like old actresses like Audrey Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe, and Grace Kelly and post pics of them all day on pinterest and shit. Others like Clark Gable, Judy Garland, and Bogart live forever due to one iconic role. Wayne, James Dean, and Chaplin had such a defined "type" that they still remain iconic. That's about it for classic Hollywood as far as a lot of people these days go. A lot of big movie fans would be surprised by how little some people know about it.  |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 18, 2019 23:53:00 GMT
Some of the big comedy acts like Charlie Chaplin, Laurel And Hardy and The Three Stooges seemed to have held firmer in popular culture than some of the more conventional stars. Good example. It helps that aside from the period they were made in, the humor of The Stooges and Chaplin is pretty timeless. It's a lot more physical, and less "wordy". It's why comedy is probably the genre where silent films tend to hold-up best. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Dec 19, 2019 11:38:16 GMT
Audrey Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe, and Liz Taylor I think most people have heard of even if they haven't seen any of their films. Their names are thrown out too often.
Some people might have a vague impression about what they did, but it's like in the same way people have an uneducated knowledge about Stalin, Hitler, and Mao.
I think Ingrid Bergman is not iconicly known. I think her Casablanca image is the one enduring part of her legacy. "That Casablanca girl".... but yeah, I think that's the first impression people get about her before they get into films that she's just some glamorized image in a poster. In the same way, I think that applies to Grace Kelly. Her photos has lasted longer than her name or her filmography, and her being a Princess through marriage is an added point.
I think Judy Garland is like the female Chaplin. She's in a genre (musical) that allows her to be more enduring than others - in the same way Chaplin did silent comedies which pretty much feel like musicals. But I think by far her biggest movie is The Wizard of Oz, even though overall she is known for that girl who does a lot of musicals.
So, for actresses if you were to ask me.....
first degree status
Elizabeth Taylor
Marilyn Monroe
Audrey Hepburn
2nd degree (one or two things that make them stand out)
Ingrid Bergman
Vivien Leigh
Grace Kelly
Judy Garland
For men, the list is actually sparser. I've heard Taylor Swift and Demi Lovato pop songs include John Wayne and James Dean in it, so I think those guys are the most comparable to Elvis. They're just mythical figures people enchant about the glory days on. In the same way I think people are gonna be writing songs on Michael Jordan, just this artifact of a greater time where achievements feel like greater achievements than if they were accomplished now..
I think Bogart has Casablanca in the same way Gable has Gone With the Wind, but Bogart is probably way more popular mostly because he's a guy's guy. He's the type of actor that lots of men sit at home watching him on AMC shooting at Mexicans like they would Clint Eastwood or Sylvester Stallone, so he's comparable to Clint Eastwood.
Then there's Marlon Brando who started out in the golden age, but I think he has an advantage mostly because he was resurrected in the 70s, and because The Godfather is still pretty modern, or at least it's a modern feeling film that people won't turn off just because it's old. But most of Brando's The Godfather fans probably couldn't care less about On the Waterfront or a Streetcar Named Desire.
First degree status (the men):
Charles Chaplin
James Dean
John Wayne
Marlon Brando
Humphrey Bogart
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