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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 15:32:16 GMT
I have two choices, but for one film - Charlotte Rampling and Kirsten Dunst in an Autumn Sonata-esque mother-daughter drama. How about you?
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 16, 2019 16:18:58 GMT
Well I would pick Blanchett and the reason for that is Bergman was in a lot of ways the most modern great actress of her time - that's one reason she gets passed over nowadays because she has no simple style to latch onto - in some ways more than Hepburn/Leigh/Davis - who I love but are very stylized, easy to caricature in some ways. Blanchett is like this and does it all the time and drags you along every second of the way too (think of how she reacts when the dentist hits on her in Blue Jasmine - and how she goes through a million things in mere seconds - some of them physically comedic !?!). Look at this scene, one of my favorite female acted scenes ever. This scene is just absurd - Bergman is asked to be weak, but strong, calculating, thinking, but overwhelmed....... shrill, mad, but not really mad, OTT and subtle - you think along with her because of how she sells this. She's remarkable in this scene and not stylized in any way at all - you have no way of knowing how this scene will end and how quietly she will end it too.......that's Blanchett........way before Blanchett. They'd get along swimmingly with each other I bet.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 16:35:41 GMT
pacinoyes - Hm... Blanchett's performances are so mannered/stylized that I'm not sure she can really play a "normal" person, so I'd have to disagree with this choice. Maybe Bergman would be able to reel her in, though.
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Post by stephen on Dec 16, 2019 17:33:21 GMT
Greta Garbo and Marion Cotillard.
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Post by getclutch on Dec 16, 2019 18:26:39 GMT
Olivia de Havilland Jane Wyman Jeanne Crain Celia Johnson
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 1:17:23 GMT
Olivia de Havilland Jane Wyman Jeanne Crain Celia Johnson Really interesting, beautiful choices - especially Wyman!
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Post by demille on Dec 17, 2019 2:55:31 GMT
Garbo and Lillian Gish
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 17, 2019 3:15:20 GMT
I dunno.... of all modern actresses Nicole Kidman feels like an automatic good answer when you talk about being able to fit seamlessly into the body of work of almost any auteur. She's like a vessel that can mould herself to the wishes of a director, but also brings her own style and ideas to the table.I liked how she gave a brilliant performance for Lars Von Trier in Dogville, then basically decided she was one and done with him, despite him trying hard to get her back for more of his movies. I think she'd slot comfortably into Bergman's style. She seems to have a greater grasp of cinema, it's history and her place in it than most of her peers. It serves her well and informs her flexibility as an actor.
While I don't rate her quite as highly as some, I think Marion Cottiliard's style is made for Bergman.
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Post by wattsnew on Dec 17, 2019 5:58:47 GMT
Whenever someone brings up Kidman's 'Dogville' performance, all I can think of is how both Emily Watson and Bjork gave two of the greatest performances of all time in their respective Trier films. Kidman is merely good in her film, but coming after those two it doesn't seem all that impressive or worth bringing up. But sure she has a good grasp on the history of cinema... whatever that means.
Anyway, back on topic... my choice are Holly Hunter, Laura Linney, and Michelle Pfeiffer.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 17, 2019 7:00:03 GMT
Whenever someone brings up Kidman's 'Dogville' performance, all I can think of is how both Emily Watson and Bjork gave two of the greatest performances of all time in their respective Trier films. Kidman is merely good in her film, but coming after those two it doesn't seem all that impressive or worth bringing up. But sure she has a good grasp on the history of cinema... whatever that means.
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Post by Javi on Dec 17, 2019 7:17:39 GMT
A young Isabelle Adjani--one of the few faces comparable to Ullmann in terms of screen magnetism.
Fun to imagine Michelle Pfeiffer having a go at Bibi Andersson's erotic monologue in Persona.
I think Fanny Ardant would have been amazing in an Ingrid Thulin-type role. Or Anna Magnani in one of his early comedies...
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 17, 2019 7:25:44 GMT
Whenever someone brings up Kidman's 'Dogville' performance, all I can think of is how both Emily Watson and Bjork gave two of the greatest performances of all time in their respective Trier films. Kidman is merely good in her film, but coming after those two it doesn't seem all that impressive or worth bringing up. But sure she has a good grasp on the history of cinema... whatever that means. It's funny because to me I am not really touched by 2 of those performances - and I think I'm obviously way in the minority - but the way Von Trier (who I loathe) marks out those characters is so off-putting to me putting them as overtly "tragic" with no growth and not believable in the simplest human ways drowns the actresses good work out by clashing with his formalism. Watson is a tour de force though - even though LvT hates her character - he's legit sexist in how he draws female characters imo- the other 2 you are are always kept at arms length from by Von Trier's style - songs, framing, narration, storytelling devices - at least in BtW he's allowing a great performance (in a misguided and ugly film imo)..........in the other two he pretentiously thinks he's creating what "seems" like one. I almost always dislike the acting in his films and it always is praised rapturously ........huge disconnect for me with his work.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Dec 17, 2019 9:22:09 GMT
Whenever someone brings up Kidman's 'Dogville' performance, all I can think of is how both Emily Watson and Bjork gave two of the greatest performances of all time in their respective Trier films. Kidman is merely good in her film, but coming after those two it doesn't seem all that impressive or worth bringing up. But sure she has a good grasp on the history of cinema... whatever that means. Anyway, back on topic... my choice are Holly Hunter, Laura Linney, and Michelle Pfeiffer.
Oh honey, the Kidman auteur thing is not very interesting because the movies she's starred in are often the low points or meh movies of their careers (Poor Werner Herzog, poor Olivier Dahan, poor Steven Shainberg, etc). It couldn't have helped their next project to secure finance after such flops... I've often wondered if directors work with her when they want to make losses for tax reasons... kind of like in The Producers.
Bergman & Geraldine Chaplin could have been an interesting combo...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 12:23:09 GMT
pacinoyes - I don't think von Trier is sexist; I think his characters are victims of sexism. MsMovieStar - Oh honey, I love your Geraldine Chaplin suggestion!
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 17, 2019 13:30:00 GMT
pacinoyes - I don't think von Trier is sexist; I think his characters are victims of sexism. Different thread, I know, but if you've ever heard Helena Bonham Carter talk about why she turned down BtW it provides the exact opposite POV - not that I need her to tell me that but it's somewhat interesting. But then again that's sort of what I meant by people seeing him in polar opposite ways. Not only sexist to me but anti-human even - lacking in religious comprehension/faith, having any understanding of America at all, having a childish view of economic systems and poverty ..........and yet he's made 3 films, greatly acclaimed about all 3 of those.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 14:05:59 GMT
pacinoyes - I don't think von Trier is sexist; I think his characters are victims of sexism. Different thread, I know, but if you've ever heard Helena Bonham Carter talk about why she turned down BtW it provides the exact opposite POV - not that I need her to tell me that but it's somewhat interesting. But then again that's sort of what I meant by people seeing him in polar opposite ways. Not only sexist to me but anti-human even - lacking in religious comprehension/faith, having any understanding of America at all, having a childish view of economic systems and poverty ..........and yet he's made 3 films, greatly acclaimed about all 3 of those. "There has to be a chemistry between you and a director," [Bonham Carter] says. "And Lars von Trier struck me as a bit of a weirdo. I got a weird vibe off him, so it was never going to work. You have to be able to trust people, or what's the point in spending time in their company?"Even the actresses who genuinely enjoy working with him (Dunst, Kidman, Thurman, Gainsbourg, etc.) don't deny that he's weird and can be really mean - Bjork and Bonham Carter obviously hated their experiences with him, and that's fine, but I don't think that means he's sexist. Just my $0.02.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Dec 18, 2019 15:24:39 GMT
Sissy Spacek or Vanessa Redgrave
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