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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 10, 2019 17:42:41 GMT
I think people probably expected a better post-1993 career for Michael Keaton, to that point he had a good balance between showing his acting skills in small serious movies like Clean and Sober and My life and being the (great) leading star of bigger movies like Batman/Beetlejuice. The thing is he and Tom Hanks were in some ways interchangable (with Hanks being more likeable and Keaton more darker) and they were battling for years for the same kind of roles and it seems like there was only one (long term) slot for the funny actor in big serious roles. Hanks got Philadelphia (keaton was considered) won the oscar, then Gump and the rest is history. The seats are rare and precious in Hollywood. First of all, I consider Keaton a very talented actor, in both comedy and drama. He had his "big" movies early on (actually his three collaborations with Burton) and after that, he kind of "disappeared"!!! He made a lot of films but not well known. Sure, he had his small gems every while and then (Jackie Brown, Live from Baghdad, the Company) but his career looked like a wasted opportunity. All that until his Oscar nod of course. Spotlight, the Founder and his upcoming projects were/seem to be good career choices.
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Post by jakesully on Sept 11, 2019 4:35:36 GMT
Actor- Garrett Hedlund. I thought he was poised to be the next big time A list leading man after TRON: Legacy & getting the role in On the Road but those didn't amount to much at all. Still gets steady work which is good cause I am a fan of his acting of course but his career has been quite the disappointment thus far all things considered. Here's hoping Dirt Music steers him in the right direction moving forward.
Director- Duncan Jones. He literally blew my mind with his directorial debut in Moon(2009). And I thought he was going to be the next Nolan. Fuck I was wrong there lol. Keep in mind, the only real flat out awful film I think he directed would be MUTE. (I have a soft spot for Warcraft and imo Source Code was solid enough). But because he wrote & directed Moon, I was expecting much bigger things for him. Hopefully he can turn it around!
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Post by stabcaesar on Sept 13, 2019 5:54:32 GMT
Emily Watson. After her debut in Breaking the waves, you could have thought a star were born. Excuse me? She might not have become a household name but she has been incredibly successful. She's worked with Robert Altman, Paul Thomas Anderson, Charlie Kaufman, Steven Spielberg etc. etc. etc. after von Trier. She's just not the Hollywood type. She hasn't been as active as she used to be but it's because she doesn't want to spend too much time away from her family. She said it herself at her Oxford Union Q&A. Besides she was recently in Chernobyl, which is probably the most well-received television series of all time.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 13, 2019 11:43:36 GMT
Emily Watson. After her debut in Breaking the waves, you could have thought a star were born. Excuse me? She might not have become a household name but she has been incredibly successful. She's worked with Robert Altman, Paul Thomas Anderson, Charlie Kaufman, Steven Spielberg etc. etc. etc. after von Trier. She's just not the Hollywood type. She hasn't been as active as she used to be but it's because she doesn't want to spend too much time away from her family. She said it herself at her Oxford Union Q&A. Besides she was recently in Chernobyl, which is probably the most well-received television series of all time. I was expecting great leading roles for her. She's entitled to focus on her family or work on stage instead of Hollywood movies, but she's 52 now and I doubt she'll reach the movie star status nor she'll get many leading characters. I hope to see her again on the big screen though.
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Post by morton on Sept 13, 2019 20:26:40 GMT
I think people probably expected a better post-1993 career for Michael Keaton, to that point he had a good balance between showing his acting skills in small serious movies like Clean and Sober and My life and being the (great) leading star of bigger movies like Batman/Beetlejuice. The thing is he and Tom Hanks were in some ways interchangable (with Hanks being more likeable and Keaton more darker) and they were battling for years for the same kind of roles and it seems like there was only one (long term) slot for the funny actor in big serious roles. Hanks got Philadelphia (keaton was considered) won the oscar, then Gump and the rest is history. The seats are rare and precious in Hollywood. First of all, I consider Keaton a very talented actor, in both comedy and drama. He had his "big" movies early on (actually his three collaborations with Burton) and after that, he kind of "disappeared"!!! He made a lot of films but not well known. Sure, he had his small gems every while and then (Jackie Brown, Live from Baghdad, the Company) but his career looked like a wasted opportunity. All that until his Oscar nod of course. Spotlight, the Founder and his upcoming projects were/seem to be good career choices. I guess I think of actors like Michael Keaton and Emily Watson who took a break from the industry in a different category than say Michael Fassbender or Jessica Chastain in that at least for Fassbender before he took his own break, it seemed like they were taking any project offered to them. At first, there was excitement and even Oscar buzz for a lot of their projects, but as more and more disappointments have piled up, at least for me they didn't live up to the initial hype from after they first became the next big thing. With Keaton, his career has always been up and down. He was successful with Night Shift and Mr. Mom, then had some really big disappointments with Johnny Dangerously and The Squeeze. Then, he came back with Batman, Beetlejuice, etc., but then he had a string of disappointments again. He also seemed burned out and moved to Montana, and took a break. Then he had another comeback with The Other Guys, Birdman, and Spotlight. After that I don't know. It's definitely possible that the momentum his career has gotten will go nowhere. The Founder seemed baity in theory, but ended up like his other disappointments. I don't know what American Assassin was, lol. Spider-Man: Homecoming was a good, safe choice, and he got praised for that. I could see why he did Dumbo, but everyone hated him in that except for me, lol. What Life Is Worth and King of the Jungle both seem promising, but they could also easily be another The Founder situation. I guess for some his career didn't live up to initial expectations, but as someone that's been following his career for a long time, I think he's done pretty well with how he's managed to comeback so many times even after so many disappointments. I think many actors could certainly do a lot worse.
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Post by jimmalone on Sept 14, 2019 11:45:45 GMT
If we go by general expectations I'd agree with those who said Michael Fassbender. Also James McAvoy never fulfilled the promises he gave with The Last King of Scotland and Atonement. People back then - including me - thought he would become a consistent oscar contender back then, but he still has to wait for his first nomination and seems way more distant to it then back then.
I'd rather bring this topic from a general to a subjective platform though, cause usually perceptions differ. For me a big one is Joe Wright. I loved his two first films. "Pride and Prejudice" and "Atonement" are in my Top 5 of their respective years and in terms of direction he is Top 3 in both. Since then "Darkest Hour" was Wright's only other film I even liked.
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Post by LaraQ on Sept 14, 2019 12:04:24 GMT
Carey Mulligan.Her career isn't in bad shape by any stretch, but she's one of those actresses I feel should probably have racked up a few more Oscar nominations by now,like Winslet or Ronan.She's certainly talented enough, but I just don't think she took advantage of all the opportunities that came her way.
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Post by futuretrunks on Sept 15, 2019 0:00:29 GMT
For me, Paul Thomas Anderson. When Boogie Nights came out, it looked like he was going to be a major cultural figure like Scorsese, Spielberg, Tarantino, Coppola, etc. But looking at him in 2019, he just seems devoid of ideas, more like a Kelly Reichardt or something than a major director who creates work that people engage with. His films feel like exercises rather than powerful artifacts.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 15, 2019 13:49:57 GMT
For me, Paul Thomas Anderson. When Boogie Nights came out, it looked like he was going to be a major cultural figure like Scorsese, Spielberg, Tarantino, Coppola, etc. But looking at him in 2019, he just seems devoid of ideas, more like a Kelly Reichardt or something than a major director who creates work that people engage with. His films feel like exercises rather than powerful artifacts. Not easy to reach the heights of Spielberg, Scorsese, Coppola. After Boogie Nights, PTA made Magnolia, Punch-Drunk Love, TWBB, The Master, Inherent Vice and Phantom Thread. I don't like all of these films but many people do and they are critically acclaimed. So you can't see PTA didn't live up to the hype he had created. He's considered one of the best film makers of his era, let alone his 7 Oscar nods after Boogie Nights. I'm not a fan of PTA, I'm just writing down the facts.
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Post by jimmalone on Sept 15, 2019 15:24:42 GMT
In retrospect certainly Quentin Tarantino. Made two great films with Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. Since then Django Unchained was the only good film of his. Obviously not in terms of general view, but definitely in my own.
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Post by bob-coppola on Sept 15, 2019 15:42:11 GMT
I know nobody expected her to be some new Cate Blanchett, but I wonder what happened with Zooey Deschanel. My sister and I were actually just talking about it. After 500 Days of Summer, Deschanel became this huge indie/hipster icon, the perfect woman for 9 in 10 bearded, Arctic Monkeys-listening dudes, and girls were also very into her and her style. She delivered a solid performance in that movie and she looked poised to have a strong career as a rom-com leading woman, or at least find some good indies. Her hype was so strong that I remember New Girl (ew) was one of the most anticipated new shows that season. And then, she sort of just... vanished? She just went from internet muse to a nobody in just 10 years.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 15, 2019 16:10:35 GMT
I know nobody expected her to be some new Cate Blanchett, but I wonder what happened with Zooey Deschanel. My sister and I were actually just talking about it. After 500 Days of Summer, Deschanel became this huge indie/hipster icon, the perfect woman for 9 in 10 bearded, Arctic Monkeys-listening dudes, and girls were also very into her and her style. She delivered a solid performance in that movie and she looked poised to have a strong career as a rom-com leading woman, or at least find some good indies. Her hype was so strong that I remember New Girl (ew) was one of the most anticipated new shows that season. And then, she sort of just... vanished? She just went from internet muse to a nobody in just 10 years. I think Zooey Deschanel is unfortunately part of a scene that's defined by briefness. Hipster sensations and trends (referring to trends in the medium of indie music) are usually brief and passing.
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Post by LaraQ on Sept 15, 2019 16:23:02 GMT
Val Kilmer, Came from the success as suporting in Top Gun,Tombstone and Heat, Hollywood wanted to make him the New Harrison Ford/Tom Cruise, with Saint, Batman and The Island of Dr. Moreau that were all hugely flop in BO. Jean Pierre Jeunet, Always expecting something great from him post the briliant Amelie but never happened! Kilmer also had a terrible rep in Hollywood,that probably hurt his career more than all the BO flops.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 19:04:35 GMT
he just seems devoid of ideas As opposed to Spielberg and Tarantino? I feel the opposite - since The Master, he's been tackling much more interesting subject matter (rather than, in his own words, mimicking Altman...or Scorsese, or Kubrick) and has developed his own (very impressive) artistic voice. I mean, the guy went from making a film about...capitalism and religion...to adapting a fuckin Pynchon novel. Don't take that as hate towards his pre-2010s stuff, which I love most of. Just think he's an odd pick for this thread. For me, it's post-90s Godard.
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 15, 2019 21:20:25 GMT
Norton and Depp were my first thoughts. And I'd argue M. Night Shyamalan fits the description. After the 6th Sense, he was consideted the next big thing. Never lived up to the hype. 6th Sense is one of his worst movies lol but in terms of popular appeal yeah true
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 15, 2019 21:22:07 GMT
Richard Kelly for director is first to come to mind. eh between his writing for Domino and Southland Tales i think he lived up about as much as i'd expect, it's not like his debut was anything amazing to begin with. i do wish we'd see more of him thesedays though
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 15, 2019 21:30:11 GMT
thank god none of u dumbasses have ruined this thread by saying FFC
anywho, the first bruce elder film i saw was Lamentations which blew my mind to smithereens and i gobbled up everything i could see by him, which had lesser and lesser returns as i went on. but i guess a lot of that work came before that film so maybe it doesn't work chronologically.
i kinda see martel moving this direction with how disappointing and uncharacteristic Zama was for me but maybe just a misfire.
oh god fucking michael haneke is at the top of mine too; intelligent provocateur not too dissimilar from LVT in the 90s and early 00s, making serious and well-paced social problem films with a morbid streak, who now just does part-arty shit for liberal boomers.
finally i'll mention lav diaz, who in the 2000s seemed like one of the filmmakers on top of the world with a string of incredible heartbreaking films, who has now gone on to commercialize his cinema just a hair too much and seems to have lost his way ever since he started to receive recognition.
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Post by morton on Sept 15, 2019 21:33:35 GMT
Carey Mulligan.Her career isn't in bad shape by any stretch, but she's one of those actresses I feel should probably have racked up a few more Oscar nominations by now,like Winslet or Ronan.She's certainly talented enough, but I just don't think she took advantage of all the opportunities that came her way. I agree. Like I remember when An Education came out, and there was so much hype around Mulligan specifically Sasha Stone writing a list about young actresses that would win an Oscar in the near future, and Mulligan was number one just based on An Education. She didn't even have Amy Adams, and I think Michelle Williams was missing from it too. Anyhow it seemed like she pulled back especially after the whole Shia LaBeouf/Wall Street 2 era, and just did indies. She's still been in a lot of great things and done excellent work, but I don't know if she'll ever win now. The talent is certainly there, but I fear her films will be too small. I know nobody expected her to be some new Cate Blanchett, but I wonder what happened with Zooey Deschanel. My sister and I were actually just talking about it. After 500 Days of Summer, Deschanel became this huge indie/hipster icon, the perfect woman for 9 in 10 bearded, Arctic Monkeys-listening dudes, and girls were also very into her and her style. She delivered a solid performance in that movie and she looked poised to have a strong career as a rom-com leading woman, or at least find some good indies. Her hype was so strong that I remember New Girl (ew) was one of the most anticipated new shows that season. And then, she sort of just... vanished? She just went from internet muse to a nobody in just 10 years. That reminds me that Joseph Gordon-Levitt feels like another actor that had a lot of hype for a short time, but then disappeared after The Walk and Snowden both flopped. Maybe he looks too boyish still? Like I think Daniel Radcliffe was hurt by how he still looks so boyish even more than JGL, but at least he's worked with that by sticking to smaller or more unconventional films after the Harry Potter movies.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Sept 15, 2019 21:41:29 GMT
Maybe Mickey Rourke? Like Kilmer, more to do with his reputation than his acting. Dude was also given somewhat of a second chance after The Wrestler and hasn't done anything of note and pretty much slipped back into the same place.
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Post by countjohn on Sept 15, 2019 21:45:38 GMT
If we go by general expectations I'd agree with those who said Michael Fassbender. Also James McAvoy never fulfilled the promises he gave with The Last King of Scotland and Atonement. People back then - including me - thought he would become a consistent oscar contender back then, but he still has to wait for his first nomination and seems way more distant to it then back then. I'd rather bring this topic from a general to a subjective platform though, cause usually perceptions differ. For me a big one is Joe Wright. I loved his two first films. "Pride and Prejudice" and "Atonement" are in my Top 5 of their respective years and in terms of direction he is Top 3 in both. Since then "Darkest Hour" was Wright's only other film I even liked. Yeah, after Atonement people really thought he was going to become a real A-list director and his Anna Karenina got huge hype. People were getting a bit carried away with Michael Fassbender and Oscar Isaac for a hot minute. Particularly Fassy. Both very fine actors, but I think people also thought they could be "movie stars", and while both have tried, they don't seem to have "it". Fassbender is an excellent dramatic actor and he should just stick to doing straight dramas with maybe the lead in a classy thriller getting thrown in every now and then.
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Post by Viced on Sept 15, 2019 21:56:50 GMT
Dude was also given somewhat of a second chance after The Wrestler and hasn't done anything of note and pretty much slipped back into the same place. Wrong. He was excellent in Ashby.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 15, 2019 22:09:01 GMT
Norton and Depp were my first thoughts. And I'd argue M. Night Shyamalan fits the description. After the 6th Sense, he was consideted the next big thing. Never lived up to the hype. 6th Sense is one of his worst movies lol but in terms of popular appeal yeah true I can't find many movies of him much better than the 6th sense actually. Of course that's my opinion but you get what I mean in my original post.
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Sept 15, 2019 22:47:15 GMT
Jacob Aaron Estes wrote and directed the unforgettably gut-wrenching Mean Creek. Then he disappeared for 7 years, before coming back with The Details, a Tobey Maguire comedy nobody cared about, then wrote Rings the universally panned somewhat-continuation of The Ring movies, then just put out Don't Let Go, 103 straight minutes of wasted potential that never rises above a made-for-TV thriller. Wtf?
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Sept 16, 2019 2:20:52 GMT
Carey Mulligan.Her career isn't in bad shape by any stretch, but she's one of those actresses I feel should probably have racked up a few more Oscar nominations by now,like Winslet or Ronan.She's certainly talented enough, but I just don't think she took advantage of all the opportunities that came her way. I agree. Like I remember when An Education came out, and there was so much hype around Mulligan specifically Sasha Stone writing a list about young actresses that would win an Oscar in the near future, and Mulligan was number one just based on An Education. She didn't even have Amy Adams, and I think Michelle Williams was missing from it too. Anyhow it seemed like she pulled back especially after the whole Shia LaBeouf/Wall Street 2 era, and just did indies. She's still been in a lot of great things and done excellent work, but I don't know if she'll ever win now. The talent is certainly there, but I fear her films will be too small. I know nobody expected her to be some new Cate Blanchett, but I wonder what happened with Zooey Deschanel. My sister and I were actually just talking about it. After 500 Days of Summer, Deschanel became this huge indie/hipster icon, the perfect woman for 9 in 10 bearded, Arctic Monkeys-listening dudes, and girls were also very into her and her style. She delivered a solid performance in that movie and she looked poised to have a strong career as a rom-com leading woman, or at least find some good indies. Her hype was so strong that I remember New Girl (ew) was one of the most anticipated new shows that season. And then, she sort of just... vanished? She just went from internet muse to a nobody in just 10 years. That reminds me that Joseph Gordon-Levitt feels like another actor that had a lot of hype for a short time, but then disappeared after The Walk and Snowden both flopped. Maybe he looks too boyish still? Like I think Daniel Radcliffe was hurt by how he still looks so boyish even more than JGL, but at least he's worked with that by sticking to smaller or more unconventional films after the Harry Potter movies. In the case of Carey Mulligan, I think her biggest weakness was her unambitiousness. Reading this thread reminded me how she kinda dropped off my map after 2014, when I was sure at one point, that by now she would have already nabbed four Oscar nominations, but nope. I think at this point it'll be a miracle if she even gets a second nomination, none of her upcoming projects sound that promising. Joseph Gordon-Levitt is also an interesting case. 7500 looks to be his first real film role since 2015 (which I didn't even know about, until I looked up his filmography online), whether that's because he's now a father, and or a lack of good role opportunities, I don't know, but I get the impression that he intentionally took a sabbatical in order to sort his career out. He really came out of the running gate strong, working with directors like Christopher Nolan twice, but tumbled quite a bit as an actual lead, and while his recent cameos prove that people in the industry still love him, I get the impression that if he were to be involved with a bigger film, it would be have to be a supporting role more akinned to his part in Inception.
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Post by isabelaolive on Sept 16, 2019 2:55:30 GMT
Actors who did not live up to MY expectations: Ellen Page, Kate Hudson, Jennifer Connely, Sophie Okonedo, Abigail Breslin, Mo'nique, Abbie Cornish, Mia Wasikowska, Rinko Kikuchi, Gabourey Sidibe, James McAvoy, Gemma Arterton, Olivia Wild, Isabelle Furhmann, Madeline Carol, Anna Sophia Robb, Josh Hutcherson, Lindsay Lohan, Jamie Bell, Halle Berry, Samantha Morton, Dakota Fanning etc.
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