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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 0:59:57 GMT
Do you like her as an actress? Apart from her collaborations with Tarantino, what are some of your favorite of her roles? Any auteurs you'd like to see her work with? Philip Kaufman's Henry & June and James Ivory's The Golden Bowl are musts if you're a fan, and lately I can't help but imagine her in Kidman's role in The Beguiled. MsMovieStar
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 25, 2019 8:21:34 GMT
I like her a lot but feel apart from QT she's been terribly misused - and doesn't have great work much. I like her a lot in the TV Hysterical Blindness which is an acting movie where you wouldn't expect to find one at all.
I think there's a great movie in Jennifer 8 that probably got cut out because the movie isn't great (or good) but the premise sort of is ......Mad Dog and Glory doesn't resolve itself too well but she and De Niro are good in this - in a romantic comedy by the director of Henry Portait Of a Serial Killer - nonetheless (!) - and De Niro is not often memorable matched with any actress regardless of material even (think about this sometimes - great actors without many female matches opposite them, this is a thing)...........and Bill Murray is the scene stealer here.
Not a great movie or great ending but some great moments and some sweet ones .......could have been even better .........but she's lovely and the film misuses her too and it's one of her better ones.
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Post by Longtallsally on Aug 25, 2019 8:30:33 GMT
I especially loved her in The Life Before Her Eyes, a fantastic though terribly underrated film.
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 25, 2019 13:20:47 GMT
I like her. She's a good, versatile actress and a very beautiful one.
Except for the QT movies (amazing in Pulp Fiction) I also liked her in Henry & June, Gattaca, Mad Dog and Glory, and Dangerous Liaisons.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 25, 2019 13:23:51 GMT
She's pretty good. She's carved a great career for herself with roles she chose well.
A fair comparison is Sharon Stone. Both good, not great. Both iconic though - which gives them a chance to be more well known and have their work survive past their era.
More iconic than someone like Lange or Sarandon who are more talented but a young teenager who didn't live through the 80s or 90s aren't likely to know them that well.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 25, 2019 13:46:03 GMT
She's pretty good. She's carved a great career for herself with roles she chose well. A fair comparison is Sharon Stone. Both good, not great. Both iconic though - which gives them a chance to be more well known and have their work survive past their era. More iconic than someone like Lange or Sarandon who are more talented but a young teenager who didn't live through the 80s or 90s aren't likely to know them that well. I think Thurman is iconic in a very limited sense though. She was a key actor in some of Tarantino's films, but nothing much beyond that in comparable iconic stature for her individually. It'll always be more about Tarantino than it is about her. The closest analogy I can think of is Tippi Hedren in her work with Alfred Hitchcock. Hedren's performances in The Birds and Marnie live on with cinephiles, but she's not really iconic outside of the context of serving Hitchcock's needs. Sarandon and Lange (but particularly Sarandon) have much stronger individual careers outside of being one of several muses of a director who used a lot of muses. I don't think career legacies like Sarandon's are subject to the whims of teenagers who don't know shit. Cinephiles will help preserve a legacy of some one like Sarandon. She'll probably still be getting retrospectives in 50 years time because she was the Oscar winning star of Thelma And Louise , Bull Durahm and The Witches Of Eastwick, played Bette Davis, was in The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Sarandon is quite iconic....enough so that a lot of liberals feel she was influential enough to help get Donald Trump elected by supporting Bernie Sanders over Hilary Clinton. Not the teen demographic, but she's obviously quite a big deal to some older generations (baby boomers etc)
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 25, 2019 14:06:06 GMT
She's pretty good. She's carved a great career for herself with roles she chose well. A fair comparison is Sharon Stone. Both good, not great. Both iconic though - which gives them a chance to be more well known and have their work survive past their era. More iconic than someone like Lange or Sarandon who are more talented but a young teenager who didn't live through the 80s or 90s aren't likely to know them that well. I think Thurman is iconic in a very limited sense though. She was a key actor in some of Tarantino's films, but nothing much beyond that. It'll always be more about Tarantino than it is about her. The closest analogy I can think of is Tippi Hedren in her work with Alfred Hitchcock. Hedren's performances in The Birds and Marnie live on with cinephiles, but she's not really iconic outside of the context of serving Hitchcock's needs. Sarandon and Lange (but particularly Sarandon) have much stronger individual careers outside of being one of several muses of a director who used a lot of muses. I don't think career legacies like Sarandon's are subject to the whims of teenagers who don't know shit. Cinephiles will help preserve a legacy of some one like Sarandon. She'll probably still be getting retrospectives in 50 years time because she was the Oscar winning star of Thelma And Louise, played Bette Davis, was in The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Sarandon is quite iconic....enough so that a lot of liberals feel she was influential enough to get Donald Trump elected by supporting Bernie Sanders over Hilary Clinton. I agree with part of that, but I think Thurman was way bigger than Hedren ever was. And because Tarantino will go down as a legend whether you like him or not, and Uma Thurman is a huge component of his legacy. Whereas Hedren the only movies anyone knows she did was The Birds and Marnie. Brief career, and she came on fairly late into Hitchcock's career. She's not the first actress that people think of associated with Hitchcock - though maybe that goes based on your perception. Whether view Hitchcock primarily for his 50s or 60s? Some people seem to talk about Hitchcock in terms of his 60s primarily though I have seen that. Wouldn't say Thurman is just there to serve Tarantino's needs. She's an essential component to his movies which is what makes her different than Hedren who really was just Hitchcock's girl at the time in that trendy early 60s era. And obviously Sarandon and Lange's reputation aren't preserved by teenagers. The ones who live in that Kubrick/Coppola/Scorsese/PTA/Lynch/Tarantino airhole. I think Sarandon is iconic, though not to a degree Thurman or Stone is. Not to say they're "more" iconic, but they're just iconic in a different way. Though I think Basic Instinct and Pulp Fiction/Kill Bill has more iconic power than anything Sarandon has so maybe they're less viewed as "that woman in the 90s." Don't think Bull Durham, her brief Bette Davis incarnation, or The Witches of Eastwick is very famous nowadays or are they seen enough by enough people in general.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 14:17:51 GMT
She's pretty good. She's carved a great career for herself with roles she chose well. A fair comparison is Sharon Stone. Both good, not great. Both iconic though - which gives them a chance to be more well known and have their work survive past their era. More iconic than someone like Lange or Sarandon who are more talented but a young teenager who didn't live through the 80s or 90s aren't likely to know them that well. Hm... I think I'd compare her to Michelle Pfeiffer before Sharon Stone.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 25, 2019 14:21:16 GMT
I think Thurman is iconic in a very limited sense though. She was a key actor in some of Tarantino's films, but nothing much beyond that. It'll always be more about Tarantino than it is about her. The closest analogy I can think of is Tippi Hedren in her work with Alfred Hitchcock. Hedren's performances in The Birds and Marnie live on with cinephiles, but she's not really iconic outside of the context of serving Hitchcock's needs. Sarandon and Lange (but particularly Sarandon) have much stronger individual careers outside of being one of several muses of a director who used a lot of muses. I don't think career legacies like Sarandon's are subject to the whims of teenagers who don't know shit. Cinephiles will help preserve a legacy of some one like Sarandon. She'll probably still be getting retrospectives in 50 years time because she was the Oscar winning star of Thelma And Louise, played Bette Davis, was in The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Sarandon is quite iconic....enough so that a lot of liberals feel she was influential enough to get Donald Trump elected by supporting Bernie Sanders over Hilary Clinton. I agree with part of that, but I think Thurman was way bigger than Hedren ever was. And because Tarantino will go down as a legend whether you like him or not, and Uma Thurman is a huge component of his legacy. Whereas Hedren the only movies anyone knows she did was The Birds and Marnie. Brief career, and she came on fairly late into Hitchcock's career. She's not the first actress that people think of associated with Hitchcock - though maybe that goes based on your perception. Whether view Hitchcock primarily for his 50s or 60s? Some people seem to talk about Hitchcock in terms of his 60s primarily though I have seen that. And obviously Sarandon and Lange's reputation aren't preserved by teenagers. The ones who live in that Kubrick/Coppola/Scorsese/PTA/Lynch/Tarantino airhole. I think Sarandon is iconic, though not to a degree Thurman or Stone is. Not to say they're "more" iconic, but they're just iconic in a different way. Though I think Basic Instinct and Pulp Fiction/Kill Bill has more iconic power than anything Sarandon has so maybe they're less viewed as "that woman in the 90s." I think Stone is waaaay more iconic than Thurman (who had a more varied career) . Stone pretty much became the defacto face of an entire genre (erotic thriller) that grossed billions of dollars during the 1990's. And importantly, her iconic stature was not defined by a filmmaker. It's all about her. The Rocky Horror Picture Show is arguably more iconic than Pulp Fiction. And it's defintely more iconic than Kill Bill. There has been a cottage industry of sing-along screenings of that movie for three decades now. Only The Sound Of Music gets that type of repeat business, year in year out. And Sarandon as Janet is incredibly iconic, especially for this song:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 14:22:44 GMT
pupdurcs - I really don't want this thread to turn into a pissing match. This is about Uma. Thanks.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 25, 2019 14:27:37 GMT
pupdurcs - I really don't want this thread to turn into a pissing match. This is about Uma. Thanks. It's not a pissing match. It's a civilised discussion, that took a natural course based on comparisons to other actresses to Thurman. I have zero issue or regret with the conversation strand that I went in with Urbanpatrician. It's very valid, and remains about Thurman. Once you open up the floor for discussion, things will take the direction they take. It is what it is.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 25, 2019 14:46:23 GMT
pupdurcs - I really don't want this thread to turn into a pissing match. This is about Uma. Thanks. It's not a pissing match. It's a civilised discussion, that took a natural course based on comparisons to other actresses to Thurman. I have zero issue or regret with the conversation strand that I went in with Urbanpatrician. It's very valid, and remains about Thurman. Once you open up the floor for discussion, things will take the direction they take. It is what it is. I agree with pupdurcs. You gotta let people discuss movies. As far as I know, Thurman is still part of this discussion. Even though other names were added to it. And back to the discussion.... Whether Rocky Horror Picture Show is more iconic than Pulp Fiction. Well.... Pulp Fiction is the biggest film in the world nowadays to some people. Not referring to initial gross, but in terms of how much it's been seen now, and with that number still increasing. I think Thurman's reputation enhances regardless. And her iconography will well endure deep into the century. Iconography is related to how much someone has seen a film, even though you may think iconography refers to something with cache to it. I always imagined Thurman to be a pretty popular name floating around. But apparently you seem to think she's like a Molly Ringwald or something. Known primarily for one director's output. Agreed with you on Stone. She's a mini-legend on her own. Shame some young folks don't talk about her enough. But they at least (hopefully) like Verhoeven and Basic Instinct.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 25, 2019 15:00:18 GMT
It's not a pissing match. It's a civilised discussion, that took a natural course based on comparisons to other actresses to Thurman. I have zero issue or regret with the conversation strand that I went in with Urbanpatrician. It's very valid, and remains about Thurman. Once you open up the floor for discussion, things will take the direction they take. It is what it is. I agree with pupdurcs. You gotta let people discuss movies. As far as I know, Thurman is still part of this discussion. Even though other names were added to it. And back to the discussion.... Whether Rocky Horror Picture Show is more iconic than Pulp Fiction. Well.... Pulp Fiction is the biggest film in the world nowadays to some people. Not referring to initial gross, but in terms of how much it's been seen now, and with that number still increasing. I think Thurman's reputation enhances regardless. And her iconography will well endure deep into the century. Iconography is related to how much someone has seen a film, even though you may think iconography refers to something with cache to it. I always imagined Thurman to be a pretty popular name floating around. But apparently you seem to think she's like a Molly Ringwald or something. Known primarily for one director's output. I dunno...it could be just me underestimating Thurman's overall iconic status. Contrary to popular belief, I don't regard my views as infallible I just get the impression that even though she's done quite a fair amount of strong and memorable films outside of her collabs with Tarantino, very little of it seems to have stuck or impacted long term in terms of her own iconography. Maybe something like Dangerous Liasions, but I feel Close and Malkovich get most of the recognition there. I think Gattaca is an amazing film, but I don't really think about her being essential to it. It's Ethan Hawke first, then Jude Law.So while she's done a lot outside of her work with Tarantino, I feel like for the most part, people seem to mainly think of her as Tarantino's muse. But again, I could be wrong.
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 25, 2019 15:11:46 GMT
My baby boomer's five cents on these actresses. My generation knows Sarandon for Thelma and Louise most of all. I'd define her role there as iconic. Lange made interesting choices... But again, every guy my age remembers her as the girl in King Kong. Not saying that that role defined her career, it's just the role everyone can recall. Stone has that famous scene in the police station. I guess everyone remember that as iconic.
If you ask me about Uma Thurman (leaving aside her marriage with Gary Oldman), the first thing coming to mind is dangerous liaisons,where she wasn't a leading character either. Pulp fiction isn't her movie (supporting role again), so let's say her main role was in kill Bill. If you aren't a fan of Tarantino (and the average baby boomer isn't), you will barely remember her.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 25, 2019 15:18:14 GMT
My baby boomer's five cents on these actresses. My generation knows Sarandon for Thelma and Louise most of all. I'd define her role there as iconic. Lange made interesting choices... But again, every guy my age remembers her as the girl in King Kong. Not saying that that role defined her career, it's just the role everyone can recall. Stone has that famous scene in the police station. I guess everyone remember that as iconic. If you ask me about Uma Thurman (leaving aside her marriage with Gary Oldman), the first thing coming to mind is dangerous liaisons,where she wasn't a leading character either. Pulp fiction isn't her movie (supporting role again), so let's say her main role was in kill Bill. If you aren't a fan of Tarantino (and the average baby boomer isn't), you will barely remember her. This is probably something along my line of thinking. She's been in some iconic movies where she isn't the lead, and didn't steal the movie to the point where all anyone talks about is her. Her big iconic. lead role(s) is Kill Bill, but even though it's Tarantino, it's still kind of a niche thing (Kung-Fu pastiche etc) that many people will never care to see.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 25, 2019 15:23:35 GMT
Gorg.
Not a huge fan of her acting but she also is rarely bad.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 25, 2019 15:32:11 GMT
My baby boomer's five cents on these actresses. My generation knows Sarandon for Thelma and Louise most of all. I'd define her role there as iconic. Lange made interesting choices... But again, every guy my age remembers her as the girl in King Kong. Not saying that that role defined her career, it's just the role everyone can recall. Stone has that famous scene in the police station. I guess everyone remember that as iconic. If you ask me about Uma Thurman (leaving aside her marriage with Gary Oldman), the first thing coming to mind is dangerous liaisons,where she wasn't a leading character either. Pulp fiction isn't her movie (supporting role again), so let's say her main role was in kill Bill. If you aren't a fan of Tarantino (and the average baby boomer isn't), you will barely remember her. This is probably something along my line of thinking. She's been in some iconic movies where she isn't the lead, and didn't steal the movie to the point where all anyone talks about is her. Her big iconic. lead role(s) is Kill Bill, but even though it's Tarantino, it's still kind of a niche thing (Kung-Fu pastiche etc) that many people will never care to see. I agree with you kill bill is mostly a niche thing to the rest of the world. I totally see the perspective of you and cherry, maybe Thurman was "that girl" for the longest time before turning 35 but I think she's popular enough to where she's pretty big now and isn't stuck to any one particular decade like some of the other names brought up. But yeah...if you've lived through the 80s and 90s you'll probably think of sarandon, lange, and stone as bigger movie stars. But most people on this forum (and maybe on imdb too) haven't lived through those decades. If you were to ask a great majority of people here, I'm sure they'd rank the popularity 1) Thurman 2) stone 3) sarandon 4) lange. Might be a slight choice between stone and sarandon but the other two im pretty sure they see as definitely first and last.
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 25, 2019 15:59:28 GMT
My kids ' generation, unfortunately, reminds her for this tv ad...
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Post by hugobolso on Aug 27, 2019 18:44:15 GMT
Overated by the bussiness machine. She was born in the wrong country, too European for being an American. She is a talented, but overated actress, whose beauty distracts audiences.
Like Isabella Rosellini before her, her beauty made her rich in commercial adv, perfume and cosmetic company tried to create a superstar, but unfortunately she was rejected by big audiences, too beauty, too cold, too tall, too intellectual, too European.- Maybe if she was born in UK or France, her career should be compare with Rachel Weisz or Marion Cotillard.-
Her daughter Maia looks more earthy and american than her, probably will have a better career.-
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