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Post by cherry68 on Oct 12, 2019 4:56:19 GMT
Arnie's figures never fail to impress me. Bill Burr said it best: this dude should've been loading trucks in Transylvania, but instead by sheer force of gumption, will and charisma, he became one of the greatest stars in history. Why should a guy from Austria before the end of Soviet Union have worked in Romania?
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Post by Good God on Oct 12, 2019 4:58:54 GMT
Whaaaaaa? Stallone's overseas ratio is higher than Arnold AND Ford's?! I would have NEVER guessed that. Even before I did the numbers, I'd always felt like Ford wasn't as big overseas outside of his franchise movies, and even then Star Wars and Indiana Jones are two of the most US-centric franchises among the big ones if you look at the numbers. As for Schwarzenegger, yeah, I'd have expected him to be bigger than Stallone overseas. I feel like Terminator is a bigger deal overseas than Rocky or Rambo, but then again there are way fewer of those than the Rockys and Rambos put together.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 12, 2019 5:16:32 GMT
Whaaaaaa? Stallone's overseas ratio is higher than Arnold AND Ford's?! I would have NEVER guessed that. Even before I did the numbers, I've always felt like Ford wasn't as big overseas outside of his franchise movies, and even then Star Wars and Indiana Jones are two of the most US-centric franchises among the big ones if you look at the numbers. As for Schwarzenegger, yeah, I'd have expected him to be bigger than Stallone overseas. I feel like Terminator is a bigger deal overseas than Rocky or Rambo, but then again there are way fewer of those than the Rockys and Rambos put together. Stallone was massive in Europe. He literally relied on overseas grosses for a lot of his films in the 80s, and a few of the movies he did in the 1990s were co-productions done overseas. I think his movies often had an absurd 65% / 35% overseas / domestic ratio split, or something to that extent.
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Post by Good God on Nov 2, 2019 0:14:30 GMT
I was going to do this for actors born in the 1930s, but with Box Office Mojo screwing the pooch with their new design and making actor's pages inaccessible without paying for IMDb Pro, it's going to be a little hard. And to make matters worse, there were a lot of major stars born in the 1930s, led by Clint Eastwood himself. Should be fun.
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Post by Good God on Nov 16, 2019 21:07:20 GMT
Not enough Box Office data for most of the actors born in the 1930s and earlier (not even if you have IMDb Pro, which I checked), so all we can do is rank them in terms of their domestic star power. Here is the list of the top 30 stars going by their weighted Quigley rankings. This only accounts for their domestic drawing power until 2013.
1. John Wayne - 172 points 2. Clint Eastwood - 165 points 3. Tom Cruise - 151 points 4. Bing Crosby - 111 points 5. Tom Hanks - 108 points 6. Gary Cooper - 107 points 7. Clark Gable - 95 points 8. Burt Reynolds - 90 points 9. Bob Hope - 83 points 10. Paul Newman - 76 points 11. Doris Day - 72 points 12. Rock Hudson - 69 points 13. Julia Roberts - 68 points 14. Johnny Depp - 67 points 15. Eddie Murphy - 67 points 16. Betty Grable - 66 points 17. Harrison Ford - 62 points 18. Cary Grant - 62 points 19. Abbott & Costello - 57 points 20. Leonardo DiCaprio - 56 points 21. George Clooney - 56 points 22. James Stewart - 56 points 23. Mel Gibson - 56 points 24. Robert Redford - 55 points 25. Arnold Schwarzenegger - 53 points 26. Elizabeth Taylor - 52 points 27. Sylvester Stallone - 50 points 28. Will Smith - 49 points 29. Jim Carrey - 49 points 30. Shirley Temple - 49 points
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Post by flasuss on Nov 16, 2019 21:28:33 GMT
It's really shocking how much of a draw Crosby was at the time since he became a relatively obscure figure afterwards. If you said in 1950 or so Bogart would be much, much more remembered than he is, people would laugh at you.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 16, 2019 22:42:34 GMT
It's really shocking how much of a draw Crosby was at the time since he became a relatively obscure figure afterwards. If you said in 1950 or so Bogart would be much, much more remembered than he is, people would laugh at you. It's easy to forget just how big Crosby was in his day. He's still the most successful singer turned actor ever, and was constantly topping the favorite stars list in the 1940s and 50s. Going My Way, and The Bells of St. Mary among others, made numbers that are equivalent to blockbusters these days. The reason why his films don't hold up as much as when compared to say a Bogart or a Stewart, has to do with the quality and sameness of a lot of the projects he had to do. He was basically boxed-in to doing routine musicals, a lot of which don't really hold-up outside of musical numbers, and aren't particularly memorable. He only really tried to stretch his "dramatic chops" by the late 1950s, and his star was already waning by that point.
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Post by demille on Nov 17, 2019 10:38:02 GMT
It's really shocking how much of a draw Crosby was at the time since he became a relatively obscure figure afterwards. If you said in 1950 or so Bogart would be much, much more remembered than he is, people would laugh at you. It's easy to forget just how big Crosby was in his day. He's still the most successful singer turned actor ever, and was constantly topping the favorite stars list in the 1940s and 50s. Going My Way, and The Bells of St. Mary among others, made numbers that are equivalent to blockbusters these days. The reason why his films don't hold up as much as when compared to say a Bogart or a Stewart, has to do with the quality and sameness of a lot of the projects he had to do. He was basically boxed-in to doing routine musicals, a lot of which don't really hold-up outside of musical numbers, and aren't particularly memorable. He only really tried to stretch his "dramatic chops" by the late 1950s, and his star was already waning by that point. I agree, but I think it has to do with Crosby's screen personality too and not just that he was making similar types of films. From what I have seen, and I havent seen a lot of his films, he is often quite wholesome and not a particulary complex personality. A lot of Bogart's films of the 40s were of a similar type, in that they were film noir or adventure/drama, but his personality is complex, with him exploring the darker side of characters. Bogart's personality has seemingly been a lot more relevant to future generations.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 17, 2019 14:04:40 GMT
It's easy to forget just how big Crosby was in his day. He's still the most successful singer turned actor ever, and was constantly topping the favorite stars list in the 1940s and 50s. Going My Way, and The Bells of St. Mary among others, made numbers that are equivalent to blockbusters these days. The reason why his films don't hold up as much as when compared to say a Bogart or a Stewart, has to do with the quality and sameness of a lot of the projects he had to do. He was basically boxed-in to doing routine musicals, a lot of which don't really hold-up outside of musical numbers, and aren't particularly memorable. He only really tried to stretch his "dramatic chops" by the late 1950s, and his star was already waning by that point. I agree, but I think it has to do with Crosby's screen personality too and not just that he was making similar types of films. From what I have seen, and I havent seen a lot of his films, he is often quite wholesome and not a particulary complex personality. A lot of Bogart's films of the 40s were of a similar type, in that they were film noir or adventure/drama, but his personality is complex, with him exploring the darker side of characters. Bogart's personality has seemingly been a lot more relevant to future generations. Bogart's screen persona, that of a "potentially vulnerable tough guy", has also been a lot more imitated, so people probably know his voice, even if they never saw one of his movies. Bogart did a lot of noirs, but his movies in general are a lot more noteworthy then Crosby's. This plays a huge part in why he's much more of a well-regarded figure.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 17, 2019 14:28:16 GMT
Bogart's screen persona, that of a "potentially vulnerable tough guy", has also been a lot more imitated, so people probably know his voice, even if they never saw one of his movies. Bogart did a lot of noirs, but his movies in general are a lot more noteworthy then Crosby's. This plays a huge part in why he's much more of a well-regarded figure. That's exactly right but even more than that, Bogart and his career lasted so long that he then was able to purposely go and extended his career by commenting on what he had done prior - so he was the first American actor who "used" his star persona for a deeper purpose. In the 50s Bogart, he had an amazing decade half decade - heck he is (very) arguably after Brando THE actor of the 50s - and that is often forgotten because people think of him as a star of the 40s. But in role after role in the 50s he undercut the Bogart persona - In A Lonely Place (his best performance imo), Beat The Devil, The Caine Mutiny, The African Queen etc. - he took behavioral/personality characteristics that audiences associated with his earlier characters to a darker or funnier place or more romantic place. Every American actor that followed has tried to emulate that mix of iconic but complicated - he is not as straightforward as he first seems - and that makes him more well-regarded today too - Bogart is uncannily modern seeming in this way.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 17, 2019 15:24:00 GMT
Bogart's screen persona, that of a "potentially vulnerable tough guy", has also been a lot more imitated, so people probably know his voice, even if they never saw one of his movies. Bogart did a lot of noirs, but his movies in general are a lot more noteworthy then Crosby's. This plays a huge part in why he's much more of a well-regarded figure. That's exactly right but even more than that, Bogart and his career lasted so long that he then was able to purposely go and extended his career by commenting on what he had done prior - so he was the first American actor who "used" his star persona for a deeper purpose. In the 50s Bogart, he had an amazing decade half decade - heck he is (very) arguably after Brando THE actor of the 50s - and that is often forgotten because people think of him as a star of the 40s. But in role after role in the 50s he undercut the Bogart persona - In A Lonely Place (his best performance imo), Beat The Devil, The Caine Mutiny, The African Queen etc. - he took behavioral/personality characteristics that audiences associated with his earlier characters to a darker or funnier place or more romantic place. Every American actor that followed has tried to emulate that mix of iconic but complicated - he is not as straightforward as he first seems - and that makes him more well-regarded today too - Bogart is uncannily modern seeming in this way. And this was all before the age of sixty, and before Bogart succumb to cancer from smoking. So we were robbed of potentially even more great performances from him as an even older man. You make a great point of him being funny. There's something very rewarding in watching Bogart in films like Beat The Devil, We're No Angels (which is a comedy), or In A Lonely Place. He had a great sarcastic wit to him, that many dramatic performers of his generation seem to lack. I think that's one of the reasons why he's such a fascinating figure to watch onscreen, even to this day. He really commands your attention.
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Post by hugobolso on Nov 23, 2019 3:22:25 GMT
It's really shocking how much of a draw Crosby was at the time since he became a relatively obscure figure afterwards. If you said in 1950 or so Bogart would be much, much more remembered than he is, people would laugh at you. What a great subject. There are multiple reasons. I think that number one is that Bogart had the best publicist after his death (Baccall) while Crosby his worst (almost all his co-stars and his own family).-
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Post by Good God on Nov 26, 2019 6:52:49 GMT
Exactly what I mean when I always say legacies are built on the strength of your movies according to posterity and not on how much of a movie star you were during your time.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 27, 2024 10:40:42 GMT
According to this site.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Money_Making_Stars_PollThe #1 actor by year: (More info on that link)
1970: Paul Newman 1971: John Wayne 1972: Clint Eastwood 1973: Clint Eastwood 1974: Robert Redford 1975: Robert Redford 1976: Robert Redford 1977: Sylvester Stallone 1978: Burt Reynolds 1979: Burt Reynolds 1980: Burt Reynolds 1981: Burt Reynolds 1982: Burt Reynolds 1983: Clint Eastwood 1984: Clint Eastwood 1985: Sylvester Stallone 1986: Tom Cruise 1987: Eddie Murphy 1988: Tom Cruise 1989: Jack Nicholson 1990: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1991: Kevin Costner 1992: Tom Cruise 1993: Clint Eastwood 1994: Tom Hanks 1995: Tom Hanks 1996: Tom Cruise 1997: Harrison Ford 1998: Tom Hanks 1999: Julia Roberts 2000: Tom Cruise 2001: Tom Cruise 2002: Tom Hanks 2003: Jim Carrey 2004: Tom Hanks 2005: Tom Cruise 2006: Johnny Depp 2007: Johnny Depp 2008: Will Smith 2009: Sandra Bullock 2010: Johnny Depp 2011: Brad Pitt 2012: Denzel Washington 2013: Jennifer Lawrence
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 27, 2024 12:18:11 GMT
According to this site.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Money_Making_Stars_PollThe #1 actor by year: (More info on that link)
1970: Paul Newman 1971: John Wayne 1972: Clint Eastwood 1973: Clint Eastwood 1974: Robert Redford 1975: Robert Redford 1976: Robert Redford 1977: Sylvester Stallone 1978: Burt Reynolds 1979: Burt Reynolds 1980: Burt Reynolds 1981: Burt Reynolds 1982: Burt Reynolds 1983: Clint Eastwood 1984: Clint Eastwood 1985: Sylvester Stallone 1986: Tom Cruise 1987: Eddie Murphy 1988: Tom Cruise 1989: Jack Nicholson 1990: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1991: Kevin Costner 1992: Tom Cruise 1993: Clint Eastwood 1994: Tom Hanks 1995: Tom Hanks 1996: Tom Cruise 1997: Harrison Ford 1998: Tom Hanks 1999: Julia Roberts 2000: Tom Cruise 2001: Tom Cruise 2002: Tom Hanks 2003: Jim Carrey 2004: Tom Hanks 2005: Tom Cruise 2006: Johnny Depp 2007: Johnny Depp 2008: Will Smith 2009: Sandra Bullock 2010: Johnny Depp 2011: Brad Pitt 2012: Denzel Washington 2013: Jennifer Lawrence The 2 best actors on this list Nicholson / Newman (they are.............. sorry/ not sorry) are genuine GOATs so that's impressive......Hanks and Washington are impressive as being "serious" actors who make it...Eastwood / Wayne are forces of their own...Washington won it at nearly 60 which is amazing and indicative of a singular, long career.....if DiCap has won one now (?) that would be an amazing cross-connect to his own singular marriage of Commerce & Art...the only marriage he ever has had
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 27, 2024 20:01:39 GMT
According to this site.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Money_Making_Stars_PollThe #1 actor by year: (More info on that link)
1970: Paul Newman 1971: John Wayne 1972: Clint Eastwood 1973: Clint Eastwood 1974: Robert Redford 1975: Robert Redford 1976: Robert Redford 1977: Sylvester Stallone 1978: Burt Reynolds 1979: Burt Reynolds 1980: Burt Reynolds 1981: Burt Reynolds 1982: Burt Reynolds 1983: Clint Eastwood 1984: Clint Eastwood 1985: Sylvester Stallone 1986: Tom Cruise 1987: Eddie Murphy 1988: Tom Cruise 1989: Jack Nicholson 1990: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1991: Kevin Costner 1992: Tom Cruise 1993: Clint Eastwood 1994: Tom Hanks 1995: Tom Hanks 1996: Tom Cruise 1997: Harrison Ford 1998: Tom Hanks 1999: Julia Roberts 2000: Tom Cruise 2001: Tom Cruise 2002: Tom Hanks 2003: Jim Carrey 2004: Tom Hanks 2005: Tom Cruise 2006: Johnny Depp 2007: Johnny Depp 2008: Will Smith 2009: Sandra Bullock 2010: Johnny Depp 2011: Brad Pitt 2012: Denzel Washington 2013: Jennifer Lawrence The 2 best actors on this list Nicholson / Newman (they are.............. sorry/ not sorry) are genuine GOATs so that's impressive......Hanks and Washington are impressive as being "serious" actors who make it...Eastwood / Wayne are forces of their own...Washington won it at nearly 60 which is amazing and indicative of a singular, long career.....if DiCap has won one now (?) that would be an amazing cross-connect to his own singular marriage of Commerce & Art...the only marriage he ever has had Ummmm i think the even more revealing stat is (using the Harris Poll not that link as the reference) that as far as I can tell...in the existence of that poll (at least as far as available research dictates). Only 5 actresses have ever made the general public's Top 10 favorites of a given year. Streep Lawrence Jolie Bullock Roberts This board might feel a sense of elitism but the public doesn't worship Blanchett, Emma Stone, or Kidman or whosoever like this board does. Perhaps Kidman is always just outside the Top 10. But I doubt it. Her movies are the gloomy doomy dramas....not the movies people wanna see. Besides Big Little Lies and Moulin Rouge (which was 23 years ago), and her populist fare from 89-98....the majority dont like her movies. I also never once heard anyone name Blanchett or Stones name irl without me meaning their name first.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 27, 2024 20:17:09 GMT
The 2 best actors on this list Nicholson / Newman (they are.............. sorry/ not sorry) are genuine GOATs so that's impressive......Hanks and Washington are impressive as being "serious" actors who make it...Eastwood / Wayne are forces of their own...Washington won it at nearly 60 which is amazing and indicative of a singular, long career.....if DiCap has won one now (?) that would be an amazing cross-connect to his own singular marriage of Commerce & Art...the only marriage he ever has had This board might feel a sense of elitism but the public doesn't worship Blanchett, Emma Stone, or Kidman or whosoever like this board does. Perhaps Kidman is always just outside the Top 10. But I doubt it. Her movies are the gloomy doomy dramas....not the movies people wanna see. Besides Big Little Lies and Moulin Rouge (which was 23 years ago), and her populist fare from 89-98....the majority dont like her movies. I also never once heard anyone name Blanchett or Stones name irl without me meaning their name first. Well by it's very nature the board is elitist........but that's a good thing .......otherwise we'd be talking about the Rock all day........no one who ever talks about "non-elitist" things make a dent on Oscar Buzz or MAR do they? ........but you know Roberts / Bullock are interesting because they ovrlap years a good bit.......I mean you could actually track when Bullock was passinng Roberts at one point
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 27, 2024 21:15:33 GMT
For anyone interested..... Harris Poll from 2006-2015 on America's Favorite Actors. It stopped after 2015 for some reason
2006
1. Denzel Washington 2. Tom Hanks 3. John Wayne 4. Clint Eastwood 5. Will Smith 5. Julia Roberts 7. Johnny Depp 7. Mel Gibson 9. George Clooney 10. Harrison Ford
2007
1. Denzel Washington 2. Tom Hanks 3. Johnny Depp 4. Julia Roberts 5. Will Smith 6. John Wayne 7. Sean Connery 7. Matt Damon 9. Sandra Bullock 10. Bruce Willis
2008
1. Denzel Washington 2. Clint Eastwood 3. John Wayne 3. Will Smith 5. Harrison Ford 6. Julia Roberts 7. Tom Hanks 8. Johnny Depp 9. Angelina Jolie 10. Morgan Freeman
2009
1. Clint Eastwood 2. Johnny Depp 3. Denzel Washington 4. Sandra Bullock 5. Tom Hanks 6. George Clooney 7. John Wayne 8. Meryl Streep 9. Morgan Freeman 10. Julia Roberts
2010
1. Johnny Depp 2. Denzel Washington 3. John Wayne 4. Harrison Ford 5. Angelina Jolie 6. Tom Hanks 7. George Clooney 8. Julia Roberts 9. Clint Eastwood 10. Sandra Bullock
2011
1. Johnny Depp 2. Denzel Washington 2. Clint Eastwood 4. Tom Hanks 5. John Wayne 6. George Clooney 7. Sandra Bullock 8. Harrison Ford 9. Will Smith 10. Adam Sandler
2012
1. Denzel Washington 2. Clint Eastwood 3. Tom Hanks 4. Johnny Depp 4. Brad Pitt 6. John Wayne 7. George Clooney 8. Harrison Ford 9. Meryl Streep 10. Matt Damon
2013
1. Tom Hanks 2. Denzel Washington 3. Jennifer Lawrence 4. Julia Roberts 5. Sandra Bullock 6. Johnny Depp 7. John Wayne 8. Clint Eastwood 9. Brad Pitt 9. Meryl Streep
2014
1. Denzel Washington 2. John Wayne 3. Brad Pitt 4. Johnny Depp 5. Tom Hanks 6. Clint Eastwood 7. Jennifer Lawrence 7. Meryl Streep 9. Harrison Ford 10. Angelina Jolie
2015
1. Tom Hanks 2. Johnny Depp 3. Denzel Washington 4. John Wayne 5. Harrison Ford 6. Sandra Bullock 7. Jennifer Lawrence 8. Clint Eastwood 9. Brad Pitt 10. Julia Roberts
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