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Post by JangoB on Aug 2, 2019 11:44:05 GMT
- Saoirse Ronan, Little Women - Cynthia Erivo, Harriet - Scarlett Johansson, Marriage Story - Akwafina, The Farewell - Renée Zellweger, Judy
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Aug 3, 2019 14:42:19 GMT
Also crowded category....
Although I think this one will have a clear front runner
BEST ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE
Cynthia Erivo: Harriett Helen Mirren: The Good Liar Saiorse Ronan: Little Women Meryl Streep: The Laundromat Renee Zellweger: Judy
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Aug 8, 2019 4:29:10 GMT
1. Erivo 2. Ronan 3. Johansson 4. Awkwafina 5. Zellweger
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 8, 2019 4:43:40 GMT
Erivo seems to have some all-mighty backlash against her from African-Americans, mainly for saying some derogatory things about black Americans on Twitter over the years. Apparently a hashtag going around called #NotMyHarriet. A lengthy article on the shitstorm surrounding Erivo. www.pajiba.com/web_culture/the-problem-with-cynthia-erivo-playing-harriet-tubman-in-harriet.phpNone of this may likely make a difference to white critics or mostly white industry awards voters, who simply see this as another baity slave role to give a black actor accolades for. How African-Americans feel about it is the least of their concerns ( see Green Book).But if African-American don't support the movie at the box office (and there is serious talk of a boycott because of Erivo), then her chances of a nomination may be dealt a major blow, never mind a win. It's a very different controversy to the one that killed Nate Parker's Oscar hopes for his slave narrative, but may end up having a similarly damaging effect.
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Post by stephen on Aug 8, 2019 4:58:21 GMT
Erivo seems to have some all-mighty backlash against her from African-Americans, mainly for saying some derogatory things about black Americans on Twitter over the years. Apparently a hashtag going around called #NotMyHarriet. A lengthy article on the shitstorm surrounding Erivo. www.pajiba.com/web_culture/the-problem-with-cynthia-erivo-playing-harriet-tubman-in-harriet.phpNone of this may likely make a difference to white critics or mostly white industry awards voters, who simply see this as another baity slave role to give a black actor accolades for. How African-Americans feel about it is the least of their concerns ( see Green Book).But if African-American don't support the movie at the box office (and there is serious talk of a boycott because of Erivo), then her chances of a nomination may be dealt a major blow, never mind a win. It's a very different controversy to the one that killed Nate Parker's Oscar hopes for his slave narrative, but may end up having a similarly damaging effect. I'm thinking that the studio is fully prepared to deal with this. I expect Erivo to be contrite and "explain her position" when the actual awards race begins. I'd be very surprised if she doubled down.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 8, 2019 5:04:20 GMT
Erivo seems to have some all-mighty backlash against her from African-Americans, mainly for saying some derogatory things about black Americans on Twitter over the years. Apparently a hashtag going around called #NotMyHarriet. A lengthy article on the shitstorm surrounding Erivo. www.pajiba.com/web_culture/the-problem-with-cynthia-erivo-playing-harriet-tubman-in-harriet.phpNone of this may likely make a difference to white critics or mostly white industry awards voters, who simply see this as another baity slave role to give a black actor accolades for. How African-Americans feel about it is the least of their concerns ( see Green Book).But if African-American don't support the movie at the box office (and there is serious talk of a boycott because of Erivo), then her chances of a nomination may be dealt a major blow, never mind a win. It's a very different controversy to the one that killed Nate Parker's Oscar hopes for his slave narrative, but may end up having a similarly damaging effect. I'm thinking that the studio is fully prepared to deal with this. I expect Erivo to be contrite and "explain her position" when the actual awards race begins. I'd be very surprised if she doubled down. I think it's too late for that. She's been doubling/tripling down for awhile, which is how it's blown up like this. She's given mea culpas which African-Americans have found half-heartrd and condescending. Erivo will really have to rely on white critical and industry support to get through this, because I don't see organised African-American protest groups backing down based on some studio mandated contrition statement from Erivo. It'll be seen as too little, too late. This is about punishing Erivo now. They won't back down, imho.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 9, 2019 15:58:23 GMT
Erivo seems to have some all-mighty backlash against her from African-Americans, mainly for saying some derogatory things about black Americans on Twitter over the years. Apparently a hashtag going around called #NotMyHarriet. A lengthy article on the shitstorm surrounding Erivo. www.pajiba.com/web_culture/the-problem-with-cynthia-erivo-playing-harriet-tubman-in-harriet.phpNone of this may likely make a difference to white critics or mostly white industry awards voters, who simply see this as another baity slave role to give a black actor accolades for. How African-Americans feel about it is the least of their concerns ( see Green Book).But if African-American don't support the movie at the box office (and there is serious talk of a boycott because of Erivo), then her chances of a nomination may be dealt a major blow, never mind a win. It's a very different controversy to the one that killed Nate Parker's Oscar hopes for his slave narrative, but may end up having a similarly damaging effect. This article is fucking stupid. People need to stop giving credence to any sub-section of twitter as having any influence on real life.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2019 20:40:27 GMT
Erivo seems to have some all-mighty backlash against her from African-Americans, mainly for saying some derogatory things about black Americans on Twitter over the years. Apparently a hashtag going around called #NotMyHarriet. A lengthy article on the shitstorm surrounding Erivo. www.pajiba.com/web_culture/the-problem-with-cynthia-erivo-playing-harriet-tubman-in-harriet.phpNone of this may likely make a difference to white critics or mostly white industry awards voters, who simply see this as another baity slave role to give a black actor accolades for. How African-Americans feel about it is the least of their concerns ( see Green Book).But if African-American don't support the movie at the box office (and there is serious talk of a boycott because of Erivo), then her chances of a nomination may be dealt a major blow, never mind a win. It's a very different controversy to the one that killed Nate Parker's Oscar hopes for his slave narrative, but may end up having a similarly damaging effect. This article is fucking stupid. People need to stop giving credence to any sub-section of twitter as having any influence on real life. #MeToo started out as a Twitter hashtag from one woman. It's a hashtag and social media movement that has literally changed the world and how we socially interact with each other now. HBO dumped what was supposed to be the next project from Benioff and Weiss (the super-powerful Game Of Thrones showrunners) called Confederecy (some alternate reality show about Slavery never having been abolished) when black people on Twitter protested en masse with a hashtag called #NoConfederecy.
Those are just two examples out of many. So yeah, Twitter advocacy from certain subsections does actually work in real life. Foolish to ignore it. Social media harnessed has real power to effect change in the real world. In short Erivo and the studio behind Harriet should be very concerned indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 21:29:20 GMT
pupdurcs - I went through that entire string on Twitter, and honestly the only thing I found problematic/weird was when Erivo was mocking what she called a "ghetto American voice." I really don't think this is going to be an issue.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2019 21:39:30 GMT
pupdurcs - I went through that entire string on Twitter, and honestly the only thing I found problematic/weird was when Erivo was mocking what she called a "ghetto American voice." I really don't think this is going to be an issue. It's already an issue. I watched a half hour segment on Al Jazeera this week that was simply talking about the issue and how African-American groups wanted to boycott the film and Erivo. The issue is getting half hour segment on international news channels and it's only August. We don't get to tell a group what they can or can't be offended by. If African-American were offended by her describing their speech as "ghetto", then that's their right. She compounded it with non-apology apologies that made them dislike her even more. If people believe there is nothing to and it'll blow over, that's down to them. Maybe those people will be right, and I'll be wrong.But I have a strong feeling protest power will really do a number on Harriet at the box office. A movie like this needs African- American support, and I don't think it'll get it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 21:43:40 GMT
pupdurcs - I went through that entire string on Twitter, and honestly the only thing I found problematic/weird was when Erivo was mocking what she called a "ghetto American voice." I really don't think this is going to be an issue. It's already an issue. I watched a half hour segment on Al Jeezera this week that was simply talking about the issue and how African-American groups wanted to boycott the film and Erivo. The issue is getting half hour segment on international news channels and it's only August. We don't get to tell a group what they can or can't be offended by. If African-American were offended by her describing their speech as "ghetto", then that's their right. She compounded it with non-apology apologies that made them dislike her even more. If people believe there is nothing to and it'll blow over, that's down to them. Maybe those people will be right, and I'll be wrong.But I have a strong feeling protest power will really do a number on Harriet at the box office. A movie like this needs African- American support, and I don't think it'll get it. I don't think you can take a small (albeit noisy) contingency on Twitter and call that group representative of all African Americans. And as I said in my post, yes, mocking "ghetto American" speech is offensive, and she should apologize for it. She should not apologize for being cast in the film, though.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2019 21:47:55 GMT
The Al Jazeera segment on Erivo and Harriet. A lot of interesting thoughts from a wide range of panellists
It's big and it's only going to get bigger.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2019 21:50:48 GMT
It's already an issue. I watched a half hour segment on Al Jeezera this week that was simply talking about the issue and how African-American groups wanted to boycott the film and Erivo. The issue is getting half hour segment on international news channels and it's only August. We don't get to tell a group what they can or can't be offended by. If African-American were offended by her describing their speech as "ghetto", then that's their right. She compounded it with non-apology apologies that made them dislike her even more. If people believe there is nothing to and it'll blow over, that's down to them. Maybe those people will be right, and I'll be wrong.But I have a strong feeling protest power will really do a number on Harriet at the box office. A movie like this needs African- American support, and I don't think it'll get it. I don't think you can take a small (albeit noisy) contingency on Twitter and call that group representative of all African Americans. And as I said in my post, yes, mocking "ghetto American" speech is offensive, and she should apologize for it. She should not apologize for being cast in the film, though. It's not just on Twitter. It's getting international media attention now. I just posted a video of said international media attention. If people want to be all "Nothing to see here nothing to see!!!" that's up to them. But I know a major storm brewing when I see it. Erivo is already in trouble. I don't think she should apologise for being cast in the film either, but it's gone beyond that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 22:10:06 GMT
I don't think you can take a small (albeit noisy) contingency on Twitter and call that group representative of all African Americans. And as I said in my post, yes, mocking "ghetto American" speech is offensive, and she should apologize for it. She should not apologize for being cast in the film, though. It's not just on Twitter. It's getting international media attention now. I just posted a video of said international media attention. If people want to be all "Nothing to see here nothing to see!!!" that's up to them. But I know a major storm brewing when I see it. Erivo is already in trouble. I don't think she should apologise for being cast in the film either, but it's gone beyond that. I just can't imagine the average Oscar voter finding issue with her casting, but we'll see I guess.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2019 22:19:55 GMT
It's not just on Twitter. It's getting international media attention now. I just posted a video of said international media attention. If people want to be all "Nothing to see here nothing to see!!!" that's up to them. But I know a major storm brewing when I see it. Erivo is already in trouble. I don't think she should apologise for being cast in the film either, but it's gone beyond that. I just can't imagine the average Oscar voter finding issue with her casting, but we'll see I guess. I don't imagine Oscar voters caring about her casting either. The point is will Oscar voters even give a damn about the movie or bother to watch the screeners by the time all this growing negative publicity may have done a number on the film, it's box office etc. This a cumulative effect. Publicity like this and it's fallout can render a film inconsequential by the time Oscar voters even start looking at their ballots. Anyway, it's not like her chances are dead or anything, but she may have some pretty big obstacles to overcome now. We'll see how it all unfolds.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 10, 2019 0:06:25 GMT
On the plus side for Erivo (not to be all doom and gloom) unless another really strong British contender emerges in the Best Actress field, she should be able to rely on support from the British bloc of voters, who have proven very influential in getting their own over the line, even in trying circumstances. So she kinda needs Mirren and Jones to flop (or be non-factors), so the Brits have no choice but to rally around her.
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Post by filmnoir on Aug 10, 2019 3:20:10 GMT
On the plus side for Erivo (not to be all doom and gloom) unless another really strong British contender emerges in the Best Actress field, she should be able to rely on support from the British bloc of voters, who have proven very influential in getting their own over the line, even in trying circumstances. So she kinda needs Mirren and Jones to flop (or be non-factors), so the Brits have no choice but to rally around her. There's a British voting block in the Academy? Based on what? BAFTA only has about 500 voters who are AMPAS.
People here were suckered into believing that Rachel Weisz was going to win since she won BAFTA.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 10, 2019 3:29:46 GMT
On the plus side for Erivo (not to be all doom and gloom) unless another really strong British contender emerges in the Best Actress field, she should be able to rely on support from the British bloc of voters, who have proven very influential in getting their own over the line, even in trying circumstances. So she kinda needs Mirren and Jones to flop (or be non-factors), so the Brits have no choice but to rally around her. There's a British voting block in the Academy? Based on what? BAFTA only has about 500 voters who are AMPAS.
People here were suckered into believing that Rachel Weisz was going to win since she won BAFTA.
Perception matters. BAFTA is part of the Oscar season. The only person it consistently arguably doesnt affect at all is Denzel Washington, whom the Academy will always acknowledge without any BAFTA recognition. But yeah, the simple fact of being nominated and/or winning a BAFTA does influence American or international Academy voters. Hence the power of the British bloc. It doesn't always neccesarily convert to an Oscar win, but the influence is there. All those Hollywood stars looking for an Oscar don't fly out for one rainy night in London because it doesn't matter. If BAFTA anoint Erivo, she'll probably at least get the nomination.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 10, 2019 7:28:02 GMT
Been looking more into the Twitter thing, and apparently Erivo constantly retweets and supports the content of some twitter celeb (whom I've never heard of) called Luvvie that supposedly talks smack about African-American as well. So it's about more than just her comments alone. They see a long term in pattern in her behavior that suggests she thinks she's better than black Americans, or believes black Americans are inferior. Don't think an apology will work here. Someone should have given her better media training or just told her to stay off social media entirely. Her being British is has only become an issue because of the other stuff. Good luck with getting the African-American community to support Harriet
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Post by dmitriyuriev on Aug 10, 2019 18:03:17 GMT
1. Johansson, Marriage Story 2. Streep, The Laundromat 3. Erivo, Harriet 4. Awkwafina, The Farewell 5. Jones, The Aeronauts
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Post by filmnoir on Aug 10, 2019 18:27:11 GMT
There's a British voting block in the Academy? Based on what? BAFTA only has about 500 voters who are AMPAS.
People here were suckered into believing that Rachel Weisz was going to win since she won BAFTA.
Perception matters. BAFTA is part of the Oscar season. The only person it consistently arguably doesnt affect at all is Denzel Washington, whom the Academy will always acknowledge without any BAFTA recognition. But yeah, the simple fact of being nominated and/or winning a BAFTA does influence American or international Academy voters. Hence the power of the British bloc. It doesn't always neccesarily convert to an Oscar win, but the influence is there. All those Hollywood stars looking for an Oscar don't fly out for one rainy night in London because it doesn't matter. If BAFTA anoint Erivo, she'll probably at least get the nomination. Regina King was not nominated for BAFTA and she won over a British actress (Rachel Weisz).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 18:41:44 GMT
I still don't understand exactly why we are taking a few tweets and saying that they're representative of all African Americans' feelings. Cynthia Erivo is not a star - she isn't even particularly known at all - people who go to see Harriet probably won't even know that she isn't American, and they certainly won't know about her past on Twitter.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 10, 2019 18:55:17 GMT
Perception matters. BAFTA is part of the Oscar season. The only person it consistently arguably doesnt affect at all is Denzel Washington, whom the Academy will always acknowledge without any BAFTA recognition. But yeah, the simple fact of being nominated and/or winning a BAFTA does influence American or international Academy voters. Hence the power of the British bloc. It doesn't always neccesarily convert to an Oscar win, but the influence is there. All those Hollywood stars looking for an Oscar don't fly out for one rainy night in London because it doesn't matter. If BAFTA anoint Erivo, she'll probably at least get the nomination. Regina King was not nominated for BAFTA and she won over a British actress (Rachel Weisz). King wasn't nominated by SAG either, which rarely happens with eventual winners. We gonna discount the influence of SAG now because of exceptions like Regina King? C'mon.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 10, 2019 19:12:39 GMT
I still don't understand exactly why we are taking a few tweets and saying that they're representative of all African Americans' feelings. Cynthia Erivo is not a star - she isn't even particularly known at all - people who go to see Harriet probably won't even know that she isn't American, and they certainly won't know about her past on Twitter. I seriously think some people have no clue how organised protest works. This "it's just a few people on Twittah!" stuff misses the point entirely. This proposed boycott of Harriet has the backing of ADOS (African American Descendents Of Slavery). It's an organised group (one of their representatives was on the Al Jazeera segment I posted). They have experience in grass roots campaigns and drumming up media attention for positions they support. When you have an organised protest group backing calls to boycott your movie, the idea that African-Americans tempted to watch Harriet won't hear about this presumes all African-American are ignorant and live in a cave, with no TV, radio, social media or wi-fi or just any clue what's happening in the world in general. It's wishful thinking. Whether the boycott will work is another matter entirely. But people will hear about it and it will get press attention. Whether Erivo is a star or known is irrelevant. All ADOS need to do is repeat the mantra that If you are tempted to watch this movie as an African-American paying audience member, realise that the lead in this movie is a black British woman who thinks you as an African-American are inferior ghetto trash!
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