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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 10, 2019 1:06:26 GMT
They throw the show like 20 Emmy nods, but they don't make room for him:
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Post by DeepArcher on Jun 10, 2019 2:06:36 GMT
Why tf was that so short...hope that's not a sign that there's not much story to tell...
I gotta say, I'm getting really annoyed at HBO's overlong and montage-y "previously on"s that are just glorified trailers (for the thing you're about to watch) ... thought it was just a GOT thing but I guess not ... especially unnecessary because the first scene of the damn show basically achieves the same thing. So overall we got, what, under 40 minutes of new material??
Grievances aside ... great premiere, even if I have no idea what they plan on doing for seven episodes with this story, it was just a pleasure to be back with the characters and the setting. Meryl is awesome so far and such a seamless addition to the cast, all of whom haven't lost their touch at all. Lots of great stuff in here -- already a heartbreaking Celeste therapy session (this early in the season, I'm not ready for that!), I've a feeling there's a whole lot more where that come from. And already both Sufjan Stevens and Portishead on the soundtrack ... good sign.
But where the fuck is Tom?? (Fuck that surfer guy, hope he and Jane don't become a thing...kinda doubt it after their second scene together...)
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Post by notacrook on Jun 10, 2019 22:00:01 GMT
Terrific premiere. This show is both so enjoyable and so difficult to watch, and I think for the most part it juggles a wide range of tones expertly. All of the cast once again shine, with Meryl making a phenomenal new addition, blazing on screen and tearing it up without going overboard. I can't wait to see where this goes.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jun 17, 2019 2:18:55 GMT
Tonight’s episode: Fuuuuuuuuck...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:14:59 GMT
I wanted to spotlight the child actors on this show, as I don't think they receive enough credit - they are uniformly excellent and perfectly cast. Iain Armitage as Ziggy, especially.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 0:55:24 GMT
Actual footage of Laura Dern on the phone with her agent before filming on Season 2 began:
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Post by Allenism on Jun 20, 2019 1:57:25 GMT
Meryl's fake teeth are so distracting, like who thought that'd be a good character choice?? Otherwise I'm digging this season so far, and it's positively delish watching Madeline's world fall apart.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jun 24, 2019 2:35:15 GMT
Laura Dern reached new peaks of iconic tonight.
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Post by wattsnew on Jun 24, 2019 22:54:00 GMT
Laura Dern is the queen of the universe and the only reason to watch this show anymore!
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Jun 27, 2019 21:59:47 GMT
Really digging this season so far. That wicked grandmother is probably gonna cause some massive damage, I'm curious to know what she'll do next. The therapy scenes are great, and considering the way how things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if all the show's couples ended up in therapy Dern continues her step towards Emmy no. 2 (can Streep stop her?).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 17:34:13 GMT
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 8, 2019 9:05:41 GMT
I like Nicole Kidman's hair. But I think this is the last episode I watch - it's gotten flat boring now.
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Post by wattsnew on Jul 8, 2019 9:15:44 GMT
But I think this is the last episode I watch - it's gotten flat boring now. Agreed. Nothing even happened in this episode! Yawn. Not even Laura Dern can save this unnecessary mess of a season. This was all just as I predicted.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 8, 2019 18:27:43 GMT
At the end of the day, it's gotten better reviews than the first season and ratings are still consistently strong. So it'll likely be up for every award possible, and win a lot of them.
Haven't seen the episode yet, but reading the comments on various sites (particularly awardswatch) and they mostly seem to suggest Kidman was the MVP, and she's pulling what she did in the first season by starting slow and then dominating the later episodes (last week, her slapping Mary Louise was the big talking point).
Sounds like Kidman will be a strong early favorite to win a Best Actress Emmy in a drama . Streep's performance seems to be getting more divisive now from what I 'm reading (huge praise for first few episodes, now some are seeing it as one-note or cartoonish). Streep is probably still a shoe-in for supporting actress in a drama because of her rep, but it will be a real dogfight with Dern whom people really like this season.
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Post by notacrook on Jul 11, 2019 12:42:40 GMT
This is just one of the most watchable shows on TV. It really can't be overstated how good everyone in this cast is: Kidman's indeed having a similar pattern to last year of slow-burn then crescendo, Dern and Streep are on fire each and every minute, Woodley and Kravitz are wonderfully grounded and real, and Witherspoon just completely owns her role. Scott is also hugely impressing me this year.
This season definitely isn't as sharp or biting as the first, but the direction is still stylish and involving, and the writing is still witty and powerful in equal measure, if a little muddled at times. I can't wait to see how they wrap it up.
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Post by wattsnew on Jul 12, 2019 21:35:37 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 12, 2019 23:45:26 GMT
This "controversy" is much ado about nothing, imho. This is TV, not film. I'm not sure TV academy voters will be phased by this. The showrunner (in this case David E Kelly) has more power and autonomy than any director. It's extremely common in TV for directors to have limited say in the editing/post-production process. Sounds like Arnold wasn't entirely clear that this was not one of her indie films where she gets final cut and say over the end product. It's just bizarre that this is even a thing. Arnold is not the showrunner. If the showrunner loses faith in her vision at any point in the process, he/she has every right to bring someone else in to course correct. And Witherspoon was never beating Kidman the way this season has been trending. Like last season, all Witherspoon's hype came in the first few episodes, while Kidman made sure to peak at the business end of the series.
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Post by wattsnew on Jul 13, 2019 1:38:39 GMT
This "controversy" is much ado about nothing, imho. This is TV, not film. I'm not sure TV academy voters will be phased by this. The showrunner (in this case David E Kelly) has more power and autonomy than any director. It's extremely common in TV for directors to have limited say in the editing/post-production process. Sounds like Arnold wasn't entirely clear that this was not one of her indie films where she gets final cut and say over the end product. It's just bizarre that this is even a thing. Arnold is not the showrunner. If the showrunner loses faith in her vision at any point in the process, he/she has every right to bring someone else in to course correct. And Witherspoon was never beating Kidman the way this season has been trending. Like last season, all Witherspoon's hype came in the first few episodes, while Kidman made sure to peak at the business end of the series. It’s all Twitter is talking about, it’s not going to just go away. The actresses will have to respond to it at the least! And anyway, if anyone is winning it’s going to be Olivia Colman in The Crown.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 16:17:02 GMT
The optics of this are really bad... Since its inception, this show has been about empowering and giving voices to women - you hire a woman to this platform, and then men wrest all creative control from her? Wow...
Witherspoon and Kidman will have to answer for this, but what I suspect is that the amount of power the two of them had over the show was exaggerated from the beginning - I'm guessing that Kelley and Vallée were always steering the ship...
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 13, 2019 17:43:01 GMT
This "controversy" is much ado about nothing, imho. This is TV, not film. I'm not sure TV academy voters will be phased by this. The showrunner (in this case David E Kelly) has more power and autonomy than any director. It's extremely common in TV for directors to have limited say in the editing/post-production process. Sounds like Arnold wasn't entirely clear that this was not one of her indie films where she gets final cut and say over the end product. It's just bizarre that this is even a thing. Arnold is not the showrunner. If the showrunner loses faith in her vision at any point in the process, he/she has every right to bring someone else in to course correct. And Witherspoon was never beating Kidman the way this season has been trending. Like last season, all Witherspoon's hype came in the first few episodes, while Kidman made sure to peak at the business end of the series. It’s all Twitter is talking about, it’s not going to just go away. The actresses will have to respond to it at the least! And anyway, if anyone is winning it’s going to be Olivia Colman in The Crown. Twitter has zero impact on anything.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jul 13, 2019 18:22:19 GMT
I think it's a very unfortunate situation, but maybe the way it's being contextualized makes it seem a bit... uh... blown out of proportion? As it's been said, TV is mainly a writer's medium, and the writing is one of Big Little Lies' biggest highlights. Anyways, it must be frustrating for Arnold that her work has been re-done by someone else, but it's a TV show, she was hopping the train on its second season.
I just don't understand why she would change the look of the show. The same way people are asking if HBO and Kelley have seem Arnold's work, we could say "hey, has she even watched season 1?". Why get rid of things the fans and critics loved (the editing, the flashbacks, the look) when visual and aesthetic coherence is so, so important to TV? I think it's completely valid for HBO to get Vallée back to preserve the visual unity for BLL, it's just unfortunate that seemingly no one had the guts to actually talk about it during production.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jul 13, 2019 18:22:41 GMT
How's my boy Adam Scott doing this season?
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Post by Mattsby on Jul 13, 2019 18:58:21 GMT
When I saw 12 editors credited for an episode this season I was thinking uh oh. As for the article... this isn't anything new, most series/movies have reshoots... the showrunner and EPs are doing their job... and the gender battle the article implies is reaching. But yea they could've been less furtive about it, it seems... and I'm curious how involved Reese/Kidman were, as you trusted Andrea Arnold and should've followed thru on that instinct instead of clawing off her input bc... Above all, this strikes me as a case of creative goaltending (huh!), in trying to protect your show, you've backfired and fouled it up. So back to the 12 editors - S2 feels clunky and off imo - it started fine but slipped fast, sort of plateauing and repeating, the eps feel abrupt, there's barely any psychological tangle, the Kravitz mother angle is dumb. Idk what Arnold did to offend the show bible but something fresh and different might've worked. Only plus rn is Streep....
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Post by stabcaesar on Jul 15, 2019 8:43:51 GMT
The legal aspect of this season really brings the quality down. The custody battle is just beyond ludicrous. I'm also really bored by Bonnie and her mother's storyline. Like just die.
Renata continues to carry the show like a champ though. Easily the MVP of the show.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 15, 2019 12:08:31 GMT
Reading the various sites (awardswatch, goldderby etc) and (mostly) everyone is calling Kidman the MVP again for this episode. As next week looks to be another showcase for her (vs Streep), I think she may be in for another awards season sweep in the lead actress category (and no, I don't think the Andrea Arnold thing will significantly affect the show's chances to win awards).
The real battle will be be between Streep and Dern in supporting, but in the lead category Kidman has basically done the dramatic heavy lifting of this show once more it seems.
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