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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 21, 2021 20:01:55 GMT
I just still find it so funny that when he decided to do this Shakespeare adaptation, Joel Coen said: "Oh yeah let's cast a 65 year old Afro-American guy as the 30-40 year old white Scottish Lord Macbeth!" Oh no is this story with witches and magic spells not historically accurate enough for you???
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Post by quetee on Sept 21, 2021 20:22:27 GMT
I just still find it so funny that when he decided to do this Shakespeare adaptation, Joel Coen said: "Oh yeah let's cast a 65 year old Afro-American guy as the 30-40 year old white Scottish Lord Macbeth!" I find funny that you don't mention casting Frances McDormand, who's also a lot older than Lady McBeth, and also American. Gee, I wonder why... Well you know, 9,999 adaptations of Macbeth with another white lead is just what the world needed. LMAO!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 21:22:07 GMT
It's giving me Alfonso Cuarón's Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban vibes - which is a good thing!
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 21, 2021 22:36:47 GMT
I'm curious what happens if Fran gives a Theron in Monster, Monique in Precious kind of legendary performance. Will the Academy be like "Fuck it. What is one more?" or will they decide 3 is enough.
Also it cracks me up the the Coen/Mcdomand household has like 10 Oscars in their home and I’m sure they are all in a box in the attack.
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Post by stephen on Sept 21, 2021 22:56:59 GMT
I'm curious what happens if Fran gives a Theron in Monster, Monique in Precious kind of legendary performance. Will the Academy be like "Fuck it. What is one more?" or will they decide 3 is enough. Also it cracks me up the the Coen/Mcdomand household has like 10 Oscars in their home and I’m sure they are all in a box in the attack. I think McDormand would not only have to be utterly and completely undeniable and definitive in her portrayal, but the film would have to also overperform and, most importantly, her competition would have to crash and burn. And I don't really see that happening. We've seen legendary performances lose the Oscar before. And it's not like McDormand gives a shit about the prize.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 21, 2021 23:16:28 GMT
I'm curious what happens if Fran gives a Theron in Monster, Monique in Precious kind of legendary performance. Will the Academy be like "Fuck it. What is one more?" or will they decide 3 is enough. Also it cracks me up the the Coen/Mcdomand household has like 10 Oscars in their home and I’m sure they are all in a box in the attack. I think McDormand would not only have to be utterly and completely undeniable and definitive in her portrayal, but the film would have to also overperform and, most importantly, her competition would have to crash and burn. And I don't really see that happening. We've seen legendary performances lose the Oscar before. And it's not like McDormand gives a shit about the prize. I mean I get what you mean but pretty much everything you said could have been said last year and look what happened. Sure it was a BP winner but that probably wasn’t even her most beloved performance either. They had two other options that would have been right up their alley too.
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Post by stephen on Sept 21, 2021 23:25:25 GMT
I think McDormand would not only have to be utterly and completely undeniable and definitive in her portrayal, but the film would have to also overperform and, most importantly, her competition would have to crash and burn. And I don't really see that happening. We've seen legendary performances lose the Oscar before. And it's not like McDormand gives a shit about the prize. I mean I get what you mean but pretty much everything you said could have been said last year and look what happened. Sure it was a BP winner but that probably wasn’t even her most beloved performance either. They had two other options that would have been right up their alley too. True, but we've had three-time winners before (three in the last decade). But only one person has ever won four acting Oscars, and there was a thirteen-year gap between #3 and #4. I feel like McDormand could absolutely win a fourth Oscar for acting, but I feel like unless voters love watching a woman who clearly doesn't give a fuck give random-ass speeches replete with sound effects and scathing critiques on the Hollywood landscape get award after award while her peers remain winless, the likelihood winnows down substantially so soon.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 21, 2021 23:34:39 GMT
I mean I get what you mean but pretty much everything you said could have been said last year and look what happened. Sure it was a BP winner but that probably wasn’t even her most beloved performance either. They had two other options that would have been right up their alley too. True, but we've had three-time winners before (three in the last decade). But only one person has ever won four acting Oscars, and there was a thirteen-year gap between #3 and #4. I feel like McDormand could absolutely win a fourth Oscar for acting, but I feel like unless voters love watching a woman who clearly doesn't give a fuck give random-ass speeches replete with sound effects and scathing critiques on the Hollywood landscape get award after award while her peers remain winless, the likelihood winnows down substantially so soon. The interesting thing here could be if they put her in lead or supporting. Obviously the role is traditionally lead but the academy goes for some weird shit when it comes to category placement. I think supporting is pretty wide open right now. Actress is stronger than last year I think. I think Steward would have probably won last year.
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Post by futuretrunks on Sept 21, 2021 23:39:26 GMT
Cinematography looks good. My biggest issue with Shakespeare adaptations has been the inability of actors to read/act the dialogue properly. It's always this flat declamatory approach that became popular, where the actor doesn't even seem to understand what they're saying. Hence my favorite adaptation is that Tim Blake Nelson film "O" with Hartnett and Mekhi Phifer. Shakespeare's language is so dense with effects that you can't approach it like normal dialogue/monologue; inevitably it becomes a recitation of nonsense.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 21, 2021 23:50:44 GMT
Cinematography looks good. My biggest issue with Shakespeare adaptations has been the inability of actors to read/act the dialogue properly. It's always this flat declamatory approach that became popular, where the actor doesn't even seem to understand what they're saying. Hence my favorite adaptation is that Tim Blake Nelson film "O" with Hartnett and Mekhi Phifer. Shakespeare's language is so dense with effects that you can't approach it like normal dialogue/monologue; inevitably it becomes a recitation of nonsense. That's actually the risk with Macbeth - on stage - specifically: The text has these tricky connecting scenes vs. these amazing knockout speeches - I've seen stagings of it that play like Macbeth's greatest hits and rush through the expository text and then people tune it out..........it would have been nice to hear the oldest Macbeth couple (Mr & Mrs) ever - actually speak a little of though.......
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Post by futuretrunks on Sept 21, 2021 23:59:27 GMT
Cinematography looks good. My biggest issue with Shakespeare adaptations has been the inability of actors to read/act the dialogue properly. It's always this flat declamatory approach that became popular, where the actor doesn't even seem to understand what they're saying. Hence my favorite adaptation is that Tim Blake Nelson film "O" with Hartnett and Mekhi Phifer. Shakespeare's language is so dense with effects that you can't approach it like normal dialogue/monologue; inevitably it becomes a recitation of nonsense. That's actually the risk with Macbeth - on stage - specifically: The text has these tricky connecting scenes vs. these amazing knockout speeches - I've seen stagings of it that play like Macbeth's greatest hits and rush through the expository text and then people tune it out..........it would have been nice to hear the oldest Macbeths ever actually speak a little of though....... You're talking people in time of Burbage? I feel like I can watch clips of Richardson, McKellen, Olivier, Branagh, etc. and passively, if I just watch the thing like any other movie, I don't understand the words coming out of their mouths half the time, whereas sitting and reading the plays is an absolute pleasure.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Sept 22, 2021 0:22:12 GMT
I didn’t know about this slice of history with MacBeth stage productions..Interesting.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 22, 2021 0:24:38 GMT
Per Erik Anderson, McDormand is 100% going Lead.
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Post by dazed on Sept 22, 2021 0:40:50 GMT
Haven’t been a big fan of the Coen movies that I’ve seen (will be interesting to see how Joel does alone), but oh my that cinematography looks absolutely beautiful. A fan of Washington, McDormand, and of course A24 so I’ll probably try to catch this in the theatres if the reviews are really good.
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Post by Pavan on Sept 22, 2021 5:30:38 GMT
Looks sublime. Hope Delbonnel gets the Oscar this time.
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Post by quetee on Sept 22, 2021 14:58:08 GMT
Trending on Youtube. Like this one man in the comments said: "I'm a simple man, when I see Denzel, I click".
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Post by quetee on Sept 22, 2021 14:59:24 GMT
I didn’t know about this slice of history with MacBeth stage productions..Interesting. Neither did I. Now that would actually make an interesting movie because you know there had to be some drama behind it.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Sept 23, 2021 17:02:06 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 23, 2021 17:17:20 GMT
"Denzel Washington is a good actor, with a special flair for Shakespeare" - AO ScottI have never said anything in my life that is LESS complimentary to the man than that - I call him a great actor first of all - look it up for Godsakes! - and yet somehow I'm the one branded a "hater" while AO Scott is referenced ............life ain't fair I'll tell ya
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Post by Mattsby on Sept 23, 2021 20:48:31 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 23, 2021 21:55:47 GMT
"Denzel Washington is a good actor, with a special flair for Shakespeare" - AO ScottI have never said anything in my life that is LESS complimentary to the man than that - I call him a great actor first of all - look it up for Godsakes! - and yet somehow I'm the one branded a "hater" while AO Scott is referenced ............life ain't fair I'll tell ya As usual with anything related to Washington, you are being ridiculous. AO Scott was the same guy who only last December said Washington was his Greatest Actor Of The 21st Century, and he didn't have to think twice about it. He was responsible for giving Washington that distinction for the New York Times (alongside Mahnola Dargis). Trying to frame Scott as someone who doesn't rate Washington much because he called him "good " is pretty stupid, but as I said, your intelligence quotient always drops a few levels when discussing Denzel 😆
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 23, 2021 22:04:22 GMT
"Denzel Washington is a good actor, with a special flair for Shakespeare" - AO ScottI have never said anything in my life that is LESS complimentary to the man than that - I call him a great actor first of all - look it up for Godsakes! - and yet somehow I'm the one branded a "hater" while AO Scott is referenced ............life ain't fair I'll tell ya As usual with anything related to Washington, you are being ridiculous. I just quoted what he said that's not "ridiculous" it's a quote.........Fnck Off ......
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 23, 2021 22:05:45 GMT
As usual with anything related to Washington, you are being ridiculous. I just quoted what he said that's not "ridiculous" it's a quote.........Fnck Off ...... Wacist It was actually a pretty great quote about his performance and ability to handle Shakespeare, but you singled out the word "good" to make it seem uncomplimentary . You are just weird when it comes to Washington . It is what it is
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Post by quetee on Sept 23, 2021 22:31:25 GMT
I just quoted what he said that's not "ridiculous" it's a quote.........Fnck Off ...... Wacist It was actually a pretty great quote about his performance and ability to handle Shakespeare, but you singled out the word "good" to make it seem uncomplimentary . You are just weird when it comes to Washington . It is what it is Deadline reports---- A.O Scott calls Denzel a "good" actor. ----> This is why Denzel can't get 12 nods because critics only think and I'm quoting here that's he's "good", he said great, no he said "good", great, "good", great.......
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 23, 2021 22:46:35 GMT
Wacist It was actually a pretty great quote about his performance and ability to handle Shakespeare, but you singled out the word "good" to make it seem uncomplimentary . You are just weird when it comes to Washington . It is what it is Deadline reports---- A.O Scott calls Denzel a "good" actor. ----> This is why Denzel can't get 12 nods because critics only think and I'm quoting here that's he's "good", he said great, no he said "good", great, "good", great....... Thanks quetee I appreciate the support - he is ridiculous - I give 'Zel a compliment (ie he's NOT just good, he's great) and that poster is like "you didn't quote the right part"
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