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Post by meowy on Mar 27, 2019 13:17:18 GMT
Which one do you prefer?
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Post by stephen on Mar 27, 2019 14:24:55 GMT
The Dude.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 27, 2019 14:38:24 GMT
This is a great comparison - really, half the comparisons on here are weird to me - but these guys are diametrically opposed in style and culture. I prefer Bridges because I'm American, that's my bias - but who's "better" is quite hard to discern and Kingsley (who got 0 replies when I mentioned him in the best actors across all 3 mediums - wtf people) is historically crucial, where Bridges is not.
Unlike any major British film actor prior - he could play outside of his look, ethnicity, culture, his 82-91 run is amazing - that is the precursor to DDL, I stand by that - but Bridges is amazing in a whole different way. He is nothing like De Niro/Pacino/Washington/Brando/Penn/DiCaprio//Hanks/Phoenix/PSH/Cage/Dafoe/Nicholson/Hackman/Duvall - any really big time American actor - he is an odd duck compared to all of them.
He has very few elements in his film career where he holds a gun for one thing, very few macho roles, but very many where he is quintessentially American and not East Coast/West Coast/urban but really American.
He has gone entirely his own way - he comes from the 70s generation but I lump him in with the 80s generation guys actually, and he is utterly unconcerned with his "brand" (an f'n gross term for actor to use) and he's gotten better in several distinct ways later too. He is a real wild card for actors in America.
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Post by stephen on Mar 27, 2019 14:55:33 GMT
This is a great comparison - really, half the comparisons on here are weird to me - but these guys are diametrically opposed in style and culture. I prefer Bridges because I'm American, that's my bias - but who's "better" is quite hard to discern and Kingsley (who got 0 replies when I mentioned him in the best actors across all 3 mediums - wtf people) is historically crucial, where Bridges is not. Unlike any major British film actor prior - he could play outside of his look, ethnicity, culture, his 82-91 run is amazing - that is the precursor to DDL, I stand by that - but Bridges is amazing in a whole different way. He is nothing like De Niro/Pacino/Washington/Brando/Penn/DiCaprio//Hanks/Phoenix/PSH/Cage/Dafoe/Nicholson/Hackman/Duvall - any really big time American actor - he is an odd duck compared to all of them. He has very few elements in his film career where he holds a gun for one thing, very few macho roles, but very many where he is quintessentially American and not East Coast/West Coast/urban but really American. He has gone entirely his own way - he comes from the 70s generation but I lump him in with the 80s generation guys actually, and he is utterly unconcerned with his "brand" (an f'n gross term for actor to use) and he's gotten better in several distinct ways later too. He is a real wild card for actors in America. I think you most definitely could argue for Bridges's "historically crucial" pedigree. He is one of the few actors to not only grow up in the shadow of a well-known parental figure in Hollywood (in his case, both of his parents and older brother), but eclipse them early in prestige and acclaim (and that is no mean feat; Lloyd was a beloved comedy icon and Beau does quite well for himself). He resisted the temptation a lot of the actors of his generation did in going for intense, macho roles; Bridges has a few of those in his canon just due to the sheer breadth of his catalogue, but it was never his specialty . . . but he was certainly capable of it. Bridges forged his own path and unlike many actors, who come to Tinseltown more or less as adults and already fully formed, we saw Bridges grow up before our eyes from a young upstart to an elder statesman of the craft, without any noticeable drop-off in opportunity or performances. Seven Oscar nominations under his belt, and probably more versatility within those nominated performances than most actors (this is a guy who got nominated for Starman, of all things!), and he seems to exist in his own sphere and happy to do it. There are elements of Duvall in him, especially as he aged, but he's always been his own offbeat thing and I think that he acted as something of a blueprint for a lot of actors' children to follow. I think guys like John David Washington would do well to look at Bridges's career and find it worth emulating. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2019 15:13:21 GMT
Bridges has certainly been carrying a lot of guns and playing intense macho roles since Crazy Heart and True Grit. It's almost his default mode these days to play a gravellly voiced badass with a gun or ten gallon hat (RIPD, Hell Or Highwater, Kingsman: The Golden Circle etc).
Bridges has reinvented himself as John Wayne with more acting skill over at least the last decade. He's very much into the gun and macho thing. It's not all he is, but it's a big part of him.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 27, 2019 15:22:36 GMT
Bridges has certainly been carrying a lot of guns and playing intense macho roles since Crazy Heart and True Grit. It's almost his default mode these days to play a gravellly voiced badass with a gun or ten gallon hat (RIPD, Hell Or Highwater, Kingsman: The Golden Circle etc). Bridges has reinvented himself as John Wayne with more acting skill over at least the last decade. He's very much into the gun and macho thing. It's not all he is, but it's a big part of him. Meh - disagree (don't we always, sigh) , don't see him much like John Wayne either and RIPD and Kingsman are............well nevermind. I don't think we agree on anything when it comes to any actors honestly. His roles are more typified by the "the other" to me - and they are numerous (although his slyness goes into Hell or High Water which is a major performance and sly as hell not macho, at all) - Last Picture Show, Starman, Fabulous Baker Boys, Mirror Has Two Faces, Tucker, Fearless, Fisher King, Big Lebowski, Seabiscuit and on and on. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2019 15:32:19 GMT
Bridges has certainly been carrying a lot of guns and playing intense macho roles since Crazy Heart and True Grit. It's almost his default mode these days to play a gravellly voiced badass with a gun or ten gallon hat (RIPD, Hell Or Highwater, Kingsman: The Golden Circle etc). Bridges has reinvented himself as John Wayne with more acting skill over at least the last decade. He's very much into the gun and macho thing. It's not all he is, but it's a big part of him. Meh - disagree (don't we always, sigh) , don't see him much like John Wayne either and RIPD and Kingsman are............well nevermind. I don't think we agree on anything when it comes to any actors honestly. Very dramatic Pacman.lol! We've agreed on many things regarding actors (like Spacey being somewhat limited, or Vanessa Redgraves superiority to her British actress peer group or DiCaprio becoming much better towards the end of the last decade). I think I disagree and agree with you as about much as I do with Stephen.The disagreements probably just stick out to you much more because I usually end up being right about them (ie predicting the eventual irrelevancy of Penn and pantheon ascendancy of Washington). It's my curse  |
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 27, 2019 15:36:14 GMT
Bridges... though when Kingsley wants to be, he's a damn fine actor.
...he just chooses a lot of shit... like his 10 video game film adaptations.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 27, 2019 15:40:16 GMT
Comfortably, Bridges
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Post by wallsofjericho on Mar 27, 2019 16:33:14 GMT
Bridges for sure. One of the best actors working period.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 16:48:32 GMT
The Dude abides.
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Post by speeders on Mar 27, 2019 18:07:58 GMT
Bridges easily.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2019 19:05:35 GMT
This is a great comparison - really, half the comparisons on here are weird to me - but these guys are diametrically opposed in style and culture. I prefer Bridges because I'm American, that's my bias - but who's "better" is quite hard to discern and Kingsley (who got 0 replies when I mentioned him in the best actors across all 3 mediums - wtf people) is historically crucial, where Bridges is not. Unlike any major British film actor prior - he could play outside of his look, ethnicity, culture, his 82-91 run is amazing - that is the precursor to DDL, I stand by that - but Bridges is amazing in a whole different way. He is nothing like De Niro/Pacino/Washington/Brando/Penn/DiCaprio//Hanks/Phoenix/PSH/Cage/Dafoe/Nicholson/Hackman/Duvall - any really big time American actor - he is an odd duck compared to all of them. He has very few elements in his film career where he holds a gun for one thing, very few macho roles, but very many where he is quintessentially American and not East Coast/West Coast/urban but really American. He has gone entirely his own way - he comes from the 70s generation but I lump him in with the 80s generation guys actually, and he is utterly unconcerned with his "brand" (an f'n gross term for actor to use) and he's gotten better in several distinct ways later too. He is a real wild card for actors in America. I think you most definitely could argue for Bridges's "historically crucial" pedigree. I think that he acted as something of a blueprint for a lot of actors' children to follow. I think guys like John David Washington would do well to look at Bridges's career and find it worth emulating. It's one thing to be the child of an actor (even a successful one like Llyod). It's another to be the child of an iconic, legendary superstar. Very few can relate to that pressure, and succesfully forge their own path. No disrespect to Lloyd Bridges, but he was not that tier of icon/legend/superstar. Jeff was the child of a B-list leading man turned television actor turned character actor. It's not the same pressure that comes with being the child of Kirk, Henry Fonda or Denzel. Jeff very early in his career became a more respected actor than his father ever was. A lot of children of those iconic, respected figures just fold under the constant comparisons when they also choose to act. That's why I think you see so few A-list dynasties. It won't happen for Hanks and Streep, though they have kids that are jobbing actors. Daniel Day-Lewis' son has dabbled in acting, but chooses to be a "model" and musician. The fear of being compared to DDL must be terrifying. John David Washington said he always wanted to act, but ran away from it (and choose a Football career) because he didn't want to face comparison to an actor of his father's stature. Denzel had to remind him of Kirk & Michael, and how that worked out. I feel at that level, the inspirations to look at are Jane Fonda and Michael Douglas. Jeff's father did not cast anywhere as long a shadow as theirs did. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 27, 2019 19:29:17 GMT
Kingsley is a more chameleon performer and has a lot of talent and range while Bridges is just so damn watchable and can carry even weak films on the power of his natural charisma and presence, so I don't know. It's a weird comparison to me. Bridges has a long list of really solid and enjoyable performances and Kingsley has at least two virtuoso ones with Gandhi and Sexy Beast (I'm sure there are more but those are the two that stand out the most to me).
If I was forced to make a decision, I guess I'd go with The Dude just for his greater body of work, but I love them both.
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Post by DeepArcher on Mar 27, 2019 19:34:29 GMT
This is a great comparison -- they both played villains in the Iron Man series!!
(I too prefer Bridges but I am not very familiar with Kingsley's body of work.)
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Post by TerryMontana on Mar 27, 2019 19:51:18 GMT
Kingsley. But he chooses to do many s***ty movies.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Mar 27, 2019 19:52:29 GMT
Sir Ben Kingsley has a disadvantage of both, having a lot of his best works being obscures (Betrayal, Turtle Diary, The Simon Wiesenthal Story, Pascali's Island....all having less than 1500 votes on IMDB) and he hasn't been "hot" these days the way Bridges is (giving some of his best works in cool and well liked movies like Bad Times at the El Royale and Hell or High Water) so him losing here is not surprising but not having a single vote for the master of his craft that he is, is not right, he obviously get mine...and the one from that wise man terrymontana, posting few seconds before me).
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 27, 2019 19:59:03 GMT
Kingsley. But he chooses to do many s***ty movies. It's true.........sigh. I posted on Ben Kingsley a couple days ago in the Best Actor Across Stage/TV/Film TerryMontana and you might like to see that post if you haven't seen it yet. He's a very unique actor and I see many similarities between him and one of our favorites as well........... |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 27, 2019 20:15:24 GMT
Sir Ben Kingsley has a disadvantage of both, having a lot of his best works being obscures (Betrayal, Turtle Diary, The Simon Wiesenthal Story, Pascali's Island....all having less than 1500 votes on IMDB) and he hasn't been "hot" these days the way Bridges is (giving some of his best works in cool and well liked movies like Bad Times at the El Royale and Hell or High Water) so him losing here is not surprising but not having a single vote for the master of his craft that he is, is not right, he obviously get mine...and the one from that wise man terrymontana, posting few seconds before me). I think Kingsley is also disadvantaged by his looks. It's a miracle he's had the career he's had. He could so easily have ended up like F. Murray Abraham. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Mar 27, 2019 21:09:52 GMT
Kingsley. But he chooses to do many s***ty movies. It's true.........sigh. I posted on Ben Kingsley a couple days ago in the Best Actor Across Stage/TV/Film TerryMontana and you might like to see that post if you haven't seen it yet. He's a very unique actor and I see many similarities between him and one of our favorites as well........... Haven't seen your post yet, that thread has so many new posts every few hours... Love Kingsley. Very talented and devoted to his craft (when he decides to be...). In Gandhi and Schindler's List he was phenomenal!! But being similar with one of our favorites... I honestly don't know who you're talking about  |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 27, 2019 21:48:07 GMT
I think you most definitely could argue for Bridges's "historically crucial" pedigree. I think that he acted as something of a blueprint for a lot of actors' children to follow. I think guys like John David Washington would do well to look at Bridges's career and find it worth emulating. It's one thing to be the child of an actor (even a successful one like Llyod). It's another to be the child of an iconic, legendary superstar. Very few can relate to that pressure, and succesfully forge their own path. No disrespect to Lloyd Bridges, but he was not that tier of icon/legend/superstar. Jeff was the child of a B-list leading man turned television actor turned character actor. It's not the same pressure that comes with being the child of Kirk, Henry Fonda or Denzel. Jeff very early in his career became a more respected actor than his father ever was. A lot of children of those iconic, respected figures just fold under the constant comparisons when they also choose to act. That's why I think you see so few A-list dynasties. It won't happen for Hanks and Streep, though they have kids that are jobbing actors. Daniel Day-Lewis' son has dabbled in acting, but chooses to be a "model" and musician. The fear of being compared to DDL must be terrifying. John David Washington said he always wanted to act, but ran away from it (and choose a Football career) because he didn't want to face comparison to an actor of his father's stature. Denzel had to remind him of Kirk & Michael, and how that worked out. I feel at that level, the inspirations to look at are Jane Fonda and Michael Douglas. Jeff's father did not cast anywhere as long a shadow as theirs did. I agree here..I think the best comparison between Denzel/JDW is Kirk and Michael Douglas. JDW has a ways to go on his end but he’s off to a great start. As for the topic of this post, I’ll go with Ben Kingsley. |
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 27, 2019 21:52:41 GMT
This is a great comparison -- they both played villains in the Iron Man series!! (I too prefer Bridges but I am not very familiar with Kingsley's body of work.)  |
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