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Post by hilderic on Jun 28, 2019 23:02:57 GMT
He's fine. Hell, Neeson became a fucking superstar in his 50's with the body of someone in their 50's. Elba is in his 50's with a body many people in their 20's and 30's would kill for. He is 46.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 28, 2019 23:35:30 GMT
He's fine. Hell, Neeson became a fucking superstar in his 50's with the body of someone in their 50's. Elba is in his 50's with a body many people in their 20's and 30's would kill for. He is 46. My point still stands.
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Post by futuretrunks on Aug 17, 2022 22:13:01 GMT
I just don't understand his role selection. It's like recent Jake Gyllenhaal. They just sign onto shit willy-nilly. What on earth is this Beast movie coming out now?
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 17, 2022 23:15:02 GMT
I just don't understand his role selection. It's like recent Jake Gyllenhaal. They just sign onto shit willy-nilly. What on earth is this Beast movie coming out now? I have no idea but I am here for it. I see the tv spots and my man’s bare knuckle boxing a frenzied lion
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 18, 2022 1:01:05 GMT
Idris Elba taking on a lion is the cinema I need. Man vs. the wild / creature feature horror mayhem is a subgenre that needs to continue and Elba is doing his goddamn part.
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Post by futuretrunks on Aug 18, 2022 1:19:11 GMT
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Post by countjohn on Aug 18, 2022 4:13:18 GMT
I think this is even more insane than the oft ridiculed "Batman punches a shark" scene from the 60's Batman movie.
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Post by stabcaesar on Aug 18, 2022 4:16:03 GMT
Idk I find him pretty big.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 18, 2022 5:41:03 GMT
I was pretty much correct in what I said about him being another Michael Caine/Samuel L Jackson....3 years after this thread was made, he's still a pretty big star, who kind of whores himself out to anything, but is still in demand across the industry. Back to back he's done an acclaimed western in The Harder They Fall and starred opposite Tilda Swinton in George Miller's Three Thousand Years Of Longing. He can go from leading films by major auteurs like Miller, to doing flop sitcoms on Netflix to doing schlock like Beast to trying to get his own franchise with DC off the back of his Suicide Squad character.
His career is all over the place, but he stays famous, booked and busy, so by that measure, he's got the career he wants and it's a success.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 18, 2022 8:30:45 GMT
I started this thread 3 years ago and he's grown increasingly batshit - and I don't mean his choices - I mean batshit when he talks like he's 3 fries short of a happy meal......see the post earlier in this thread from Vanity Fair He's had a disappointing career or at least a small time one ......he turns 50 in a couple weeks btw .......just sayin
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Post by LaraQ on Aug 18, 2022 11:43:46 GMT
Honestly one of the most overrated actors on the planet,both looks and talent wise.I've never understood the hype.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 18, 2022 15:56:49 GMT
I was pretty much correct in what I said about him being another Michael Caine/Samuel L Jackson....3 years after this thread was made, he's still a pretty big star, who kind of whores himself out to anything, but is still in demand across the industry. Back to back he's done an acclaimed western in The Harder They Fall and starred opposite Tilda Swinton in George Miller's Three Thousand Years Of Longing. He can go from leading films by major auteurs like Miller, to doing flop sitcoms on Netflix to doing schlock like Beast to trying to get his own franchise with DC off the back of his Suicide Squad character. His career is all over the place, but he stays famous, booked and busy, so by that measure, he's got the career he wants and it's a success. Prawduct mothafuckas.....Prawduct
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 18, 2022 16:08:50 GMT
He's doing fine IMO. He's still in demand, and not every actor needs to be constantly starring in amazing flick after flick. Not to mention the obvious career limitations that he faced at the beginning of his career. Man has starred in two domestic thrillers, and a Tyler Perry flick for godsakes.
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Post by hugobolso on Aug 18, 2022 18:23:50 GMT
Don't get me wrong I like him but so many things for him never pan out - he's not going to be Bond, he's likely doing Suicide Squad (wtf) and while I know he has that George Miller/Swinton film that sounds cool - he really doesn't seem when I look at his overall career to have anything that major besides Luther. He's hosting SNL tonight and this just popped into my head - like is "who" he is outpacing what he's done - shouldn't the last 5 years have had more "there" for a guy approaching 50 (he turns 47 in a few months)? What am I missing? I guess Hollywood was trying at the time to find a Black Prince and a Black Princess.
I have heard that three generations are needed for someone who becomes rich in the United States and stops seeing himself as nouveaux riche. So there are successful actors (usually comedians) and successful actresses (usually singers). Despite all the propaganda in its favour. We must admit that neither Will Smith nor Beyonces are princes.-
They find the perfect Black Princess Lupita Nyongo, who was a well educated rich heiress in her own right. Her family is the owner of half Kenya. Viola Davis is such an excellent actress that she can make us forget about her poor roots, and believe that she was born into the english royal family. Unfortunately not all of them are Viola Davis.--
Idris Elba has all to be the new Sidney Poitier, a succesor for Denzel Washington. But all gone wrong since the premise. Because at the time there were dozens of black actors who could perfectly pass as Hollywood Princes.-
While neither Denzel nor Sidney had a true rival, Idris Elba suffered competition in both quality and quantity.
Then there were actors of Idris Elba's age or even younger who had great reviews and box office successes, and who overshadowed him.
Now fortunately, I'm not complete sure, new windows were open for black actors, and there could be several princes. Just one King Denzel and one Pope Morgan.-
This is the end of Idris Elba's career. No way. Everything seems to indicate that he will continue working for the next 20 years. Maybe he hasn't reached prince. But he can still become king or pope. At some point Denzel and Morgan will have to retire. And their thrones will be vacant. And we will see who succeeds them.
If I were Idris Elba I would try less to talk to the press and more to make my own cinematic universe.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 18, 2022 18:36:52 GMT
Don't get me wrong I like him but so many things for him never pan out - he's not going to be Bond, he's likely doing Suicide Squad (wtf) and while I know he has that George Miller/Swinton film that sounds cool - he really doesn't seem when I look at his overall career to have anything that major besides Luther. He's hosting SNL tonight and this just popped into my head - like is "who" he is outpacing what he's done - shouldn't the last 5 years have had more "there" for a guy approaching 50 (he turns 47 in a few months)? What am I missing? Idris Elba has all to be the new Sidney Poitier, a succesor for Denzel Washington.
I always say Denzel Washington is somewhat overrated relative to the highest level of the GOAT actors ..........but among black American actors - let's just say his closest rival is James Earl Jones and I'd have a hard time even saying Idris Elba does the same thing for a living as either of them ........he actually gets his head blown off tbh......um
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Post by stephen on Aug 18, 2022 18:39:56 GMT
Going back to this thread, I don't know what more people are wanting. He's an actor approaching fifty who's making movies where he's working with Dr. George and punching lions in the face. That's the dream.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 31, 2023 12:16:43 GMT
Just checking in 4 years after the OP....yeah, he has totally missed his big time window ..........he has to be the most cringe celeb interview going (just saw him talking about "Hijack") - this weird mix of pretentious, an almost total lack of self-awareness, and a strange Zen master........which in theory should make him interesting enough for a big movie career, but .........ah well.......
He talked about his credits recently and it's a lot of TV and voice work.........alrighty then.......
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 31, 2023 14:08:42 GMT
The issue is the movies he could best leverage his charisma in - political thrillers, romances, oddball comedies, essentially George Clooney's filmography - were already being relegated by the time Elba was establishing himself as a major big screen presence post-Luther. His stab at an Oscar play resulted in the ho-hum Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom that the screenwriter admitted got its lunch eaten by 12 Years a Slave, he signed on to one of the most thankless roles in the entire MCU (one that never really had much upside to begin with), and the butchery that was The Dark Tower was a franchise non-starter.
The stuff that should've been there for him wasn't and the scraps he chose were bad picks.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 31, 2023 14:16:34 GMT
The issue is the movies he could best leverage his charisma in - political thrillers, romances, oddball comedies, essentially George Clooney's filmography - were already being relegated by the time Elba was establishing himself as a major big screen presence post- Luther. His stab at an Oscar play resulted in the ho-hum Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom that the screenwriter admitted got its lunch eaten by 12 Years a Slave, he signed on to one of the most thankless roles in the entire MCU (one that never really had much upside to begin with), and the butchery that was The Dark Tower was a franchise non-starter. The stuff that should've been there for him wasn't and the scraps he chose were bad picks. This is a good take. He’s a successful working actor but the movie landscape has changed. He would have thrived a lot more 15-20 years ago.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 31, 2023 17:51:06 GMT
I certainly think the material he could be "good" in has shrunk - that's true, the Clooney projects - but he also can't adapt at 50+ or at least hasn't shown it yet........maybe he'll surprise us.......... I'm amused at how people used to stand up for this guy - if you re-read this thread the answer "No - his big time window has not closed" was given immediately - 5 people agreed with it (why? ).......but clearly it has now....I'm not saying he's a bad actor and good for him to keep working but .......his whatever the reason - his "big time" window isn't happening .......maybe not getting Bond or whatever really messed with his head because his head's (clearly) not right........ as Julian Casablancas would say....... LaraQ said it earlier, quote below tbh.....^ Honestly one of the most overrated actors on the planet,both looks and talent wise.I've never understood the hype.
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Post by sophiefox on Nov 2, 2023 12:06:34 GMT
the fuck is a "big time" window anyway? sounds like something only whites would be destined for.
seriously tho, how many POC actors actually get to become big in an industry that is still dominated and ruled by rich old white dudes? Denzel and Will don't really count as they pretty much appropriated white culture and they're like the only real black superstars of the past 30 years.
how many really talented black actors working today, young and old, will ever get to "hit" the "big time" window (whatever that even means), even if they deserved it as much as anyone? yeah, not many, if at all.
so, i don't think it's Elba. it's the system you have to blame for.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 2, 2023 12:27:07 GMT
how many really talented black actors working today will ever get to "hit" the "big time" window (whatever that even means), even if they deserved it as much as anyone? yeah, not many, if at all. so, i don't think it's Elba. it's the system you have to blame for. I dunno - black people buy movie tickets too - Morgan Freeman, Eddie Murphy, Mahershala Ali, and Daniel Kaluuya did pretty well over a lot of years.........and those dudes didn't have a People Sexiest Man Alive either and 2 SAG Awards, a huge movie with George Miller opposite a white actress that tanked........and Idris Elba is sure af not Denzel Washngton or Will Smith who have been great in big movies at least 5 or 6 times - a fnck lot more than Idris Elba anyway ..........a big time window could be Jamie Foxx..........SLJ.......Michael B. Jordan even........all those guys have been better than him too........ People blaming the white system in 2023 for Idris Elba blowing his career sounds like something people who divide the world into oppressors and oppressed do tbh......
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Post by sophiefox on Nov 2, 2023 13:50:04 GMT
how many really talented black actors working today will ever get to "hit" the "big time" window (whatever that even means), even if they deserved it as much as anyone? yeah, not many, if at all. so, i don't think it's Elba. it's the system you have to blame for. People blaming the white system in 2023 for Idris Elba blowing his career sounds like something people who divide the world into oppressors and oppressed do tbh...... Idris "blowing his career"? LOL, oh please. but discrimination and oppression is still the sad reality for many minorities and marginalised groups everywhere on this planet. and in white Hollywood, it is still reality for POC. the times and opportunities have changed and improved for actors of colour for a while after the big BLM protests in 2020 with producers and studios "allowing" more diversity in movies but only for a couple of years really, with diversity in Hollywood productions regressing again lately. i mean this IS reality: www.ana.net/miccontent/show/id/ii-2023-04-hollywood-diversity-reportnewsroom.ucla.edu/releases/hollywood-diversity-report-spring-2023-movie-industrywww.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/hollywood-diversity-inclusion-worse-2022-studies-show-1234655135/www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/diversity-movies-study-annenberg-inclusion-initiative-1235109900/sure, if they can afford it and enjoy movies that are targeted at a primarily white audience. is this you saying that Idris is more successful than all of those guys? ok, then what are you complaining about, really? no shit lol uh not really? in what way are they better? SLJ has been in like 150 movies at this point, from great to abysmal. he's a workaholic and also not really Elba's generation (neither is Morgan Freeman). but what was Jamie Foxx's last really big role? Django Unchained in 2012? hmm Leo was in that one, too, and pretty much got all the attention. i would even go as far as to say that that German actor Christoph Waltz whose career peaked at that time, was noticed more than Jamie was. then there was his work for Michael Mann in Miami Vice in 2006 and Collateral in 2004, both being rather niche action films that did not really got so much attention in mainstream audiences (we nerds don't count). he did win an Oscar for Ray in... 2004. kudos, but yeah, that's just another award that's given to black actors to fulfill a quota in a certain year. ( variety.com/2022/awards/awards/sidney-poitier-best-actor-oscars-will-smith-denzel-washington-1235152940/ ) ...uh yeah, that's Jamie's "big time" window career in a nutshell. and Michael B. Jordan's career hasn't really taken off yet either tbh. he's in a couple of Marvel movies, but so is Idris, and much more consistently. MBJ has the Creed franchise, Idris has three times the amount of action movies under his belt: Bastille Day, Pacific Rim, The Reaping, Ghost Rider: Ghost of whatevs, Star Trek Beyond, Prometheus, Takers, No Good Deed, The Harder They Fall, Beast, Extraction 2... as for roles where both showed off their acting chops, MBJ has Fruitvale Station and maybe Just Mercy, Idris has Mandela, Beasts of No Nation, Molly's Game, Concrete Cowboy, The Mountain Between Us, Three Thousand Years of Longing from last year.. as for TV, MBJ has one season of The Wire, Idris has 3, plus his very own show Luther, a show that was so successful not with him but BECAUSE of him, plus this new show, Hijack, that's making waves currently. i'm not really a fan of these kind of comparisons and i'm really not trying to best anyone of these actors with Idris, i think they're all equally great in what they're doing, i'm just trying to show you that Idris is not behind his acting colleagues in any way, and that his career is not stagnating bc he didnt land James Bond lmao. it's ridiculous to assume that. Mahershala Ali, Daniel Kaluuya, MBJ, Donald Glover, Lakeith Stanfield, John Boyega, Anthony Mackie, Jeffrey Wright, Idris Elba etc etc, they're the same generation more or less and all on pretty much the same level talent-wise and by the amount of attention and roles they're getting, but i don't see anyone of them becoming as "big" as Leo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, George Clooney, Tom Cruise, and all the other white actors dominating highest grossing leading actors lists, such as this one: www.statista.com/statistics/655480/all-time-top-grossing-actors-box-office/funny that Samuel L. Jackson is at the top, but he's in 4-5 movies every fucking year and, as much as i löve him and respect him and admire his work ethics and all, he's pretty much the token black actor of Hollywood if there ever was one. that's how you get big in Hollywood when you're black. for good measure, top 20 lists of highest paid actors: www.torontofilmmagazine.com/post/here-are-the-top-20-highest-paid-actors & en.as.com/meristation/news/these-are-hollywoods-25-top-paid-actors-of-2022-and-2023-n/ ...it's a white-out. so, again, what you are complaining about Idris Elba's career is pretty much due to systematic and structural racism in the industry. that's just the sad reality and still is in 2023. that, or you are just bashing him because... whatever it is that irks you lol but then you gotta be honest and just say so that you think he sucks. that would be fair enough.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 2, 2023 15:19:26 GMT
whatever it is that irks you lol but then you gotta be honest and just say so that you think he sucks. that would be fair enough. I don't think he sucks exactly .....I think he is extremely limited as an actor, more so as a star - and in some ways mentally ill (see earlier in this thread)........but the racism angle in 2023 certainly amused me.........
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Post by sophiefox on Nov 2, 2023 15:56:31 GMT
whatever it is that irks you lol but then you gotta be honest and just say so that you think he sucks. that would be fair enough. I don't think he sucks exactly .....I think he is extremely limited as an actor, more so as a star - and in some ways mentally ill (see earlier in this thread)........but the racism angle in 2023 certainly amused me......... how so? i mean, deny that structural racism exists in the industry all you want. it doesn't make it a less evidently decisive factor for the Hollywood careers of black actors today. have you even bothered to read the links i've posted? those are facts speaking to you. the situation of marginalised groups in our white dominated society hasn't magically changed for the better just bc the year turned to 2023. anyway, i get the gist of this thread now as you are obviously biased towards Elba. it's okay lol i'll leave you to it. your "big time" window concept is bs tho, especially when applied to those who are evidentially socially and economically disadvantaged. just saying.
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