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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 30, 2019 6:03:48 GMT
Why are you still talking about this "documentary'" like it's a serious thing? "Another sad part of the doc!?! It's a filmed version of a National Enquirer story. Nothing in it can be taken at face value. I'm sure there will one day be a well made, thoroughly researched Jackson docmentary that will deserve all of this pointless analysis and reflection you are putting into the psych of Jackson, but this is not it. It's a one sided tabloid hit job by broke grifters looking for a payday and cynical network execs looking for an easy ratings boost. Mercifully, it'll be consigned to the dustbin of history before long. It's over. Even the maistream media are "finally" reporting the multitude of lies and inconsistencies of Robson and Safechuck. Sometimes you just need to take the L instead of digging your heels in. This trashbag interview and it's participants have been debunked and discredited so much now, that it's pretty much worthless. Find another angle, or wait for a documentary that can't be so easily ripped apart. With MJ, there are plenty of other angles, but this movie ain't8 it chief. Keep dreaming, boo. This documentary is NOT going away any time soon. It's all a bunch of sorry-ass MJ apologists on Twitter pretending it's been debunked by anyone that actually matters. ZERO mainstream coverage about "Leaving Neverland" being in any way debunked. It's still out there, it's still being listened to. It will be remembered as the BEGINNING OF THE END for MJ's legacy. Stick to being Denzel's fluffer, you make a poor truth denier. Who are you again? You are boring. And also clearly not very intelligent. Good thing you have pacinoyes to actually make arguments for you, because I feel like I'm losing brain cells every time we talk. You have the debating skills of an ameoba. FACTS
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Post by fiosnasiob on Mar 30, 2019 9:38:28 GMT
Hey, to be fair, your dumb ass fell for Dylan Farrow's horseshit!! 😆 Not saying I'm conceding the unproven notion that MJ's victims are lying, just pointing out yet again how you have ZERO moral high ground to stand on. Probably the grossest thread on this board to me this one is - - which is really something about grossness given the moral coward(s) and trolling in that Macbeth thread ............like "on Twitter" people are saying something, HBO is gonna take the doc down, the train station didn't exist, let's bring up Woody Allen and Roman Polanski and Jimmy Savile.....Oprah's in trouble!......you know just throw out a ton of stuff - whatever sticks.......confuse/clutter/misdirect. Actually that's another sad part of that doc ........he was such a groomer that he almost saw it as an intimate love story with the boys rather than just sex, he confused idol worship with people loving him - no one could love him but everyone idolized him and it all gets mixed up. Quite a disturbing psych profile he was....... The only bad thing that happened in that Macbeth thread is an old grumpy guy, full of himself named Pacinoyes who cames insulting people who have asked nothing but peace (and a lil bit of humor) in the first place. I see that you can't even try to make an effort to not make allusion and disrespecting me again for like 1.5 day like I kindly asked....it shows a lot about you. The troll is certainly not the one you think it is.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 30, 2019 10:21:19 GMT
Hmmmmmmm, well you apparently don't think you're a troll, a liar or a "bad person" so your self-judgement may not be the best anyway.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Mar 30, 2019 12:07:55 GMT
C'mon Pacinoyes, you and I perfectly know that I can easily creates 2 teams of socc...football (with the substitutes, cook, gardener...everybody) of people from here who at times, think very little of you and your (among others) condescending attitude. Well, recently, in one of your rare moment of awareness, you say that half of this website hate you, I wouldn't go that far but yeah, you sometimes can rub people the wrong way, it's a reality. But you are way too old to change now.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 30, 2019 12:33:36 GMT
Think about it - especially the morals part. Unimpressive and sh it. Boom.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Mar 30, 2019 13:20:18 GMT
Coming from the keyboard warrior who, out of nowhere, came to insult me and spit on the hand I was kindly tending to him yesterday. Read it yourself. With help grandpa :
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 30, 2019 13:28:23 GMT
Well every time I read it, it seems to me that since I never posted anything dishonest on here ever - it rather pertains to you who posted a secret, never seen before PM where you actually identified YOURSELF as a troll. Kick your own ass about those messy moral contradictions - shrug.
Also, I'd watch that ageism stuff, I mean you don't know how old I am. For all you know I'm a 9 year boy that Michael Jackson would be eager to molest.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Mar 30, 2019 14:11:50 GMT
Out of nowhere, you came and insulted me, don't play Mr right, it's ridiculous. To be able to question oneself seems like to be the Everest to you, it's too hard of a task.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 30, 2019 14:29:12 GMT
You've admitted to trolling me, offered literal evidence of your trolling me in a PM, are actually trolling me right now, called yourself "a good person", "not a liar", said you would "destroy" me - who's not able to question oneself again.
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Post by quetee on Mar 30, 2019 15:35:05 GMT
Hey, to be fair, your dumb ass fell for Dylan Farrow's horseshit!! 😆 Not saying I'm conceding the unproven notion that MJ's victims are lying, just pointing out yet again how you have ZERO moral high ground to stand on. Probably the grossest thread on this board to me this one is - - which is really something about grossness given the moral coward(s) and trolling in that Macbeth thread ............like "on Twitter" people are saying something, HBO is gonna take the doc down, the train station didn't exist, let's bring up Woody Allen and Roman Polanski and Jimmy Savile.....Oprah's in trouble!......you know just throw out a ton of stuff - whatever sticks.......confuse/clutter/misdirect. Actually that's another sad part of that doc ........he was such a groomer that he almost saw it as an intimate love story with the boys rather than just sex, he confused idol worship with people loving him - no one could love him but everyone idolized him and it all gets mixed up. Quite a disturbing psych profile he was....... Huh? I have no clue what you're talking about cause the train station didn't exist so why do you have a problem with people pointing that out?. James lied.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 30, 2019 16:13:08 GMT
Well you either believe he has the dates wrong (or he's just a liar) or you believe Michael Jackson was, in the words of the Norm Macdonald link Jackson a (pathological) homosexual pedophile.
I mean, I don't know how anyone wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about - there's only 2 or 3 conclusions you can draw, innocent mistake/incidental detail, OR nefarious money grabbing lie.
I don't believe he's lying, in the pattern of evidence, the documentary passes the rings true test to me. It doesn't ring true to you.
Ok, fair enough.....as I said, I have no problems for the people that don't buy it.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Mar 30, 2019 16:36:05 GMT
I admitted... ? I'm trolling you right now... ? A Troll : "Someone who deliberatly pisses people off online to get a reaction" Isn't what you are doing to me since yesterday ? No, actually I think it's worse than trolling tho. My PM, which was the first conversation AND the last I ever had with someone here about you (!!!), is about ME being pissed off because of YOU and I explain why I'm pissed off, which is the same reason I told you yesterday but you didn't believe me. I was naive (or idiot) enough to think that if I post that PM you would see that I was being honest about why I say "Pacinoyes lost it, BS,....." on the GOAT topic but WHAT A MISTAKE !!! You saw what you wanted to see, used my words the way you wanted, even my joke word (wtf) the way you wanted (you missed a great career on French politics TV btw). We have been talking for almost 15 years, you never called me a troll or whaterver, actually it was more like "I enjoy talking with you very much" (I'm probably lying here too...), we had some clashs when it come to Denzel (much less for French cinema, Rainer Werner Fassbinder and stuff) but we almost always ended like "let's agree to disagree " even if sometimes I was really pissed. And suddendly, for one quote (ONE..in 15 years or maybe you thought that I was a troll before but never say it) that you didn't liked/understood and I officially became a troll wtf ? That make no sense. 15 years I should have at least be given the Benefit of the doubt. I'm not a troll, never been. That day I was being pissed, that's all. I think you have been (most of the time, subtly) dissmissing Denzel for SO long and SO many times that it becomes absolutely natural to you and you don't realize that it can piss fans. Since I just came back from there, a little example from the GOAT topic after Denzel got placed, you said : " If Washington was #1 on 3 ballots (wtf) and Phoenix was #1 on a ballot (wtf) the mind-boggles at the potential DDL tsunami "
WHY wtf ? You absolutely know who are the 3 persons who voted for him #1, so WHY wtf ? WHY acting surprised ? In 2018, it's absolutely inconceivable, impossible for people to think that Denzel F/cking Washington is THE GOAT ??? It is ? It has to be Brando or Pacino or De Niro ? Really ? Are we, the 3 people who voted him number one completely mad ? You know better than us ? (that's how i felt anyway). You should be surprised by the nomber of people in the real world who think that Denzel is the GOAT, probably more than any other actors but that's not the debate. On the same GOAT topic, at the beginning, there was another quote where you claimed that Pacino was better than Denzel in an extremely lazy way, which I call BS but it could be a very interesting topic to talk about. It's just that you so often have to dismiss him, to tell to your MAR (and previously IMDB) crowd that DENZEL IS NOT THAT GOOD, it's like a matter of life and death to you, you HAVE to tell it. It's been like this for ever, really. Most of the time it's sublte, sometimes less like during the Roman Israel nomination, "this guy 8 nominations, really ?" or quickly after he got nominated (I was there) "wtf" or "are you kidding me", etc...don't call me a liar because I didn't write the correct quote, I didn't check but it was stuffs like this and it was the reason I've decided to subscrive and enter the conversation. And I assure you that it's not just me being a blinded fanboy who don't want to read bad things about his favorite actor, its just that reading that kind of stuff, months after months, years after years, it can piss people and I think that at this point you don't even realize that for you it's normal, it's us who are obssessed with you or that I'm a liar. But it's true that we probably have been after you too often (well before because I've been ignoring you for a long time now, before you insult me...). I for example, think that Ralph Fiennes is overrated, I say it once or two (when I was an active user) but I don't go to an insane numbers of topic where Fiennes is the subject or mentionned to subtly dismiss him, I don't find the reason to do it. So I respectfully said what I had to say (certainly forgot some), of course now, I only expect you to go to the Pacinoyes way which has been really bad since yesterday but I will deal with it, I guess. And sorry for the MJ guys.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 30, 2019 16:59:10 GMT
Dude, you just said "I'm sorry" to the "MJ guys" - does that seem normal to you? I'll talk to you about anything you want, but without saying you're sorry, then man, you ain't sorry. I didn't troll you because what you are right now at least to me is a non-person. How many more times do I have to say Denzel is a major American actor, how many more times do I have to praise his stage work or call him arguably though I say it a lot at least 2nd for film actor of his generation - that's not 115th - that's 2nd. I've seen almost all his films (2 short) and seen way more on stage than anyone I'm aware of on here. I'm a fan what do you want? On this board, Pacino won best actor alive in a 3 man poll (over DDL, Washington distant 3rd), and GOAT (DDL in the top 5, Washington not in the top 10) - and I didn't vote for Pacino number 1 and his name is in my name for Godsakes. So please with that weird crybaby sh it. Sorry MJ guys
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Post by fiosnasiob on Mar 30, 2019 17:11:07 GMT
I don't know man, I wrote too much in English for today, guess because of who.. I know that you think he's major and all but you like to put him in his (the one you think) place when others dare to put him higher, you have to alwaaaays claim that he's not that good (even if you think he's good) it's subtle but it's here. A non-person, let's say that I'm fine with that !
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 30, 2019 17:29:06 GMT
See there it is AGAIN - you implicated yourself again.
You and your two friends/lovers/partners in crime think I like to "put it him in his place", so like a fascist you want dictate to me what his place "should" be "instead" of where I put him.
But see the place I put him in is the same as it is for all actors it's always legitimate and honest - my opinion is my opinion - see you won't find any PM's from me that implicate me in a scandal like they just did with you - there are no PM's where I say "I'm going to "destroy" someone or that I will post a bunch of stuff just to get a reaction out of you. Because my name is my name as the quote goes from The Crucible - it's always honest assessment of the work........but your name is since posting your dirty underwear ..........sh it.
Liar, troll, not a good non-person. Yup, I'm fine with all that too.....
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Post by fiosnasiob on Mar 30, 2019 17:36:30 GMT
That analogy of putting him in his place is well found, congrats. I have no partner in crime, it's just angry me sending my angry opinion about you to someone, that's all.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 30, 2019 18:21:55 GMT
Errr...pacinoyes. Word of advice. I'm staying out of this grudge match of yours with fionasiob, because he's a big boy and can comfortably handle his own shit (even in a 2nd language) and so can you, but if I hear you try to drag me into ridiculolus drama again of yours this through non- too subtle insults with your "two friends/lovers/partners in crime" stuff (gee I wonder who that's supposed to be?), you'll be dealing with me as well.
Carry on lads!
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 30, 2019 18:25:02 GMT
Alright. Let's all shut the fuck up.
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Post by quetee on Mar 31, 2019 16:51:16 GMT
ugh... well.... the director admitted on twitter that the train station wasn't built.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 16:54:35 GMT
pupdurcs quetee - I am genuinely curious - do the two of you believe in your hearts that Jackson never molested a child? I understand that you feel you can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt - but what does your gut tell you?
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Post by quetee on Mar 31, 2019 17:02:31 GMT
pupdurcs quetee - I am genuinely curious - do the two of you believe in your hearts that Jackson never molested a child? I understand that you feel you can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt - but what does your gut tell you? I don't know what happened but I do know that all the people who accused him only wanted money rather than justice. But I do know that MJ didn't abuse these two, the lies are adding up. Now you have a train station that wasn't built when James says it was. You have the director now claiming, well, I guess the abuse ended when he was 16/17. Yet, you have James in his own words state that MJ didn't want anything to do with him once he hit puberty and if anyone has seen James with MJ in 1994, he clearly does not look like a young boy. So James' narrative has been blown to bits. He lied. Plain and simple.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 17:04:09 GMT
pupdurcs quetee - I am genuinely curious - do the two of you believe in your hearts that Jackson never molested a child? I understand that you feel you can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt - but what does your gut tell you? I don't know what happened but I do know that all the people who accused him only wanted money rather than justice. But I do know that MJ didn't abuse these two, the lies are adding up. Now you have a train station that wasn't built when James says it was. You have the director now claiming, well, I guess the abuse ended when he was 16/17. Yet, you have James in his own words state that MJ didn't want anything to do with him once he hit puberty and if anyone has seen James with MJ in 1994, he clearly does not look like a young boy. So James' narrative has been blown to bits. He lied. Plain and simple. You didn't answer the question.
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Post by quetee on Mar 31, 2019 17:10:34 GMT
I don't know what happened but I do know that all the people who accused him only wanted money rather than justice. But I do know that MJ didn't abuse these two, the lies are adding up. Now you have a train station that wasn't built when James says it was. You have the director now claiming, well, I guess the abuse ended when he was 16/17. Yet, you have James in his own words state that MJ didn't want anything to do with him once he hit puberty and if anyone has seen James with MJ in 1994, he clearly does not look like a young boy. So James' narrative has been blown to bits. He lied. Plain and simple. You didn't answer the question. Yes, I did. I said I don't know what happened. I am basing my opinion on the facts. If every single person who has accused MJ wanted his money rather then for him to go to jail where a child molester clearly belongs then I don't believe it happened to them, period. Was MJ odd, yes he was odd. But he did not molest those kids.
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Post by quetee on Mar 31, 2019 17:11:56 GMT
By the way, what proof do you have that he did?????? This documentary???
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 17:15:50 GMT
By the way, what proof do you have that he did?????? This documentary??? No one knows what happened now except for the accusers. But I find your reasoning that someone seeking a large settlement can't possibly be a true victim is pretty warped. And you're obviously not going to answer my original question, so I think we're done here.
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