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Post by Pavan on Feb 1, 2019 17:27:05 GMT
I still think Emma Watson was the perfect choice for Hermione Granger and she did complete justice to the character but this guy with his argument convinced me that someone other than Emma Watson could fit the character, someone that's not drop dead gorgeous. I think Hailee Steinfeld or Saoirse Ronan would fit Hermione, at least appearance wise. What do you think?
P.S.: Someone like Sharbs would consider Saorise drop dead gorgeous but I'm going with the general consensus here unless all of MAR has the same opinion as Sharbs. That would be counter productive.
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Post by Sharbs on Feb 1, 2019 17:37:14 GMT
how dare you
also I hope nobody found her drop dead gorgeous in the first few movies
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 1, 2019 17:44:21 GMT
Well the thing is, generally speaking, most people wanna see attractive people on screen. Humans are very looks-biased. It's why at a restaurant they don't just slap the food on your plate like a Jackson Pollack painting and try to make it look like a Rembrandt (even though it'll taste the exact same in the end).
So yeah, the ugly characters in books usually won't be uggos in movies/tv because people like to look at attractive things.
EDIT: Also, Ronan and Steinfeld are hotties.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 1, 2019 17:50:05 GMT
someone that's not drop dead gorgeous. I think Hailee Steinfeld or Saoirse Ronan What? |
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 1, 2019 17:50:05 GMT
Ronan is far hotter than Watson it's not even close.
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Post by stephen on Feb 1, 2019 17:52:03 GMT
In the case of Tyrion Lannister, I think Dinklage being a much handsomer version than the book's description is actually a positive thing. In the books he's derided as a twisted, stunted monster, but the show highlights just how petty that viewpoint is because aside from being short, there's nothing wrong with Dinklage's Tyrion. He's perfectly capable, he's good-looking, and if he were just two feet taller he'd be seen as the prize of Casterly Rock. But because he's a dwarf (and not an ugly, misshapen dwarf, but just a short guy), he's considered a "demon-monkey" and an "imp." I personally prefer the show's portrayal of him (physically; I have major issues with the whitewashing of Tyrion's less-than-savory aspects, much as I do Daenerys's, all for the sake of putting them in a more heroic light) because it just highlights the sheer pettiness of Westeros and, especially, Tywin Lannister.
As for Hermione, it's hard to divorce Emma Watson's portrayal of the character from the books because we grew up with her and she was playing the role while the books were still being written. But the book's version of Hermione is vastly different from Kloves's take on the character. Kloves, who (rightly) adores Hermione as a great character, wound up sanding off Hermione's less-than-stellar aspects in favor of making her a nigh-faultless being. For example, as brilliant as she is, Hermione is kind of ignorant about wizarding culture/society. Ron has to explain the meaning of the slur "mudblood" to both her and Harry. Ron's usefulness in the trio is highlighted by the fact that he is the only one of the three to grow up in the wizarding world, so he knows a lot of basic survival tips/social cues that the other two largely don't. But Kloves gave a huge amount of that to Hermione to beef her up, and in doing so pretty much shafted Ron as being anything other than a buffoon who says "bloody hell" a lot. As for her appearance, Hermione wasn't described as unattractive; by the midway point of the series, she had guys falling left and right for her (Viktor Krum, Cormac McLaggen). She just had frizzy hair and overlarge front teeth. That's it. I don't think doing all of that to Emma Watson would've served the character better; they just needed to make her a bit more flawed and give Ron more to do to balance the trinity.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 1, 2019 18:29:30 GMT
Saoirse Ronan is the most gorgeous actress on the planet, dude.
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Post by Pavan on Feb 1, 2019 20:28:16 GMT
someone that's not drop dead gorgeous. I think Hailee Steinfeld or Saoirse Ronan What?  |
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Post by Pavan on Feb 1, 2019 20:32:03 GMT
Alright, seems like the general consensus I assumed here is not even close to the real one. Still I don't think Saoirse is drop dead gorgeous and FYI, I love Hailee but I don't think she is either but to each their own.
What my intention was that they both could've fit into the book version of Hermione, appearance wise.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 1, 2019 20:34:16 GMT
Alright, seems like the general consensus I assumed here is not even close to the real one. Still I don't think Saoirse is drop dead gorgeous and FYI, I love Hailee but I don't think she is either but to each their own. What my intention was that they both could've fit into the book version of Hermione, appearance wise. Hogwash! Chloe Grace Moretz would have been the definitive Hermoine if anyone were to be Hermoine. |
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Post by Pavan on Feb 1, 2019 20:41:43 GMT
As for Hermione, it's hard to divorce Emma Watson's portrayal of the character from the books because we grew up with her and she was playing the role while the books were still being written. But the book's version of Hermione is vastly different from Kloves's take on the character. Kloves, who (rightly) adores Hermione as a great character, wound up sanding off Hermione's less-than-stellar aspects in favor of making her a nigh-faultless being. For example, as brilliant as she is, Hermione is kind of ignorant about wizarding culture/society. Ron has to explain the meaning of the slur "mudblood" to both her and Harry. Ron's usefulness in the trio is highlighted by the fact that he is the only one of the three to grow up in the wizarding world, so he knows a lot of basic survival tips/social cues that the other two largely don't. But Kloves gave a huge amount of that to Hermione to beef her up, and in doing so pretty much shafted Ron as being anything other than a buffoon who says "bloody hell" a lot. As for her appearance, Hermione wasn't described as unattractive; by the midway point of the series, she had guys falling left and right for her (Viktor Krum, Cormac McLaggen). She just had frizzy hair and overlarge front teeth. That's it. I don't think doing all of that to Emma Watson would've served the character better; they just needed to make her a bit more flawed and give Ron more to do to balance the trinity. I don't like the portrayal of Ron in movies too. Think we can agree that it's Steve Kloves' fault. Anyway the guy who did the video said the thing about Watson being attractive doesn't diminish her portrayal. It's one of those exceptional cases but in general though, I agree with him that casting beautiful actors to roles that were not supposed to look beautiful could lessen the way people relate to those characters. Don't you think? |
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Post by Pavan on Feb 1, 2019 20:42:39 GMT
Alright, seems like the general consensus I assumed here is not even close to the real one. Still I don't think Saoirse is drop dead gorgeous and FYI, I love Hailee but I don't think she is either but to each their own. What my intention was that they both could've fit into the book version of Hermione, appearance wise. Hogwash! Chloe Grace Moretz would have been the definitive Hermoine if anyone were to be Hermoine. May be! I just couldn't picture her. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 1, 2019 21:31:02 GMT
Never understood the fuss about Watson. Yeah , she's cute but she definitely lacks charisma and is an average actress at best
Give me La Ronan anyday !
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Post by countjohn on Feb 1, 2019 22:08:12 GMT
Someone like CountJohn also considers Saoirse Ronan to be drop dead gorgeous.
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Post by cherry68 on Feb 1, 2019 22:24:05 GMT
Ronan was too young when the first movie was filmed.
Moretz was a toddler. Same with Steinfeld.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 1, 2019 22:29:34 GMT
As for Hermione, it's hard to divorce Emma Watson's portrayal of the character from the books because we grew up with her and she was playing the role while the books were still being written. But the book's version of Hermione is vastly different from Kloves's take on the character. Kloves, who (rightly) adores Hermione as a great character, wound up sanding off Hermione's less-than-stellar aspects in favor of making her a nigh-faultless being. For example, as brilliant as she is, Hermione is kind of ignorant about wizarding culture/society. Ron has to explain the meaning of the slur "mudblood" to both her and Harry. Ron's usefulness in the trio is highlighted by the fact that he is the only one of the three to grow up in the wizarding world, so he knows a lot of basic survival tips/social cues that the other two largely don't. But Kloves gave a huge amount of that to Hermione to beef her up, and in doing so pretty much shafted Ron as being anything other than a buffoon who says "bloody hell" a lot. As for her appearance, Hermione wasn't described as unattractive; by the midway point of the series, she had guys falling left and right for her (Viktor Krum, Cormac McLaggen). She just had frizzy hair and overlarge front teeth. That's it. I don't think doing all of that to Emma Watson would've served the character better; they just needed to make her a bit more flawed and give Ron more to do to balance the trinity. I don't like the portrayal of Ron in movies too. Think we can agree that it's Steve Kloves' fault. Anyway the guy who did the video said the thing about Watson being attractive doesn't diminish her portrayal. It's one of those exceptional cases but in general though, I agree with him that casting beautiful actors to roles that were not supposed to look beautiful could lessen the way people relate to those characters. Don't you think? I think we relate better to people that look good than to people that don't, even if we're pretty ugly ourselves. Ask a psychologist, but it seems that way to me. It's probably a form of social typing. You may be some fat, neckbearded slob, but if you see a fat, neckbearded slob in a movie, you're likely to identify him as such instead of as "my hero that I should look up to." While the clean shaven lantern jaw of justice has become a cliche to make fun of, it partly exists because of a primal desire to identify yourself as such. If Tyrion was a misshapen dwarf (no matter how good the script or the actor), would we feel as strongly about him? If Hermione was book-ugly, would we accept her as freely? I don't think so, and I think Hollywood recognizes that. On a side note, Emma Watson really bloomed as she grew up, and there'd be no way of knowing if she'd fit the Hollywood standard of beauty as she got older. Rupert Grint is certainly a lot more of a hunk than he was expected to be when he started, and Daniel Radcliffe never grew. Except as an actor, I argue that he's one of the finer comedic actors working today. Dramatically, on the other hand...  |
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Post by cherry68 on Feb 1, 2019 22:42:41 GMT
I'm deeply offended people here identify frizzy hair with ugliness. 😠
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 1, 2019 22:45:49 GMT
Ronan was too young when the first movie was filmed. Moretz was a toddler. Same with Steinfeld. Yeah, but she acted at a 9th grade level. |
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 1, 2019 23:11:13 GMT
Alright, seems like the general consensus I assumed here is not even close to the real one. Still I don't think Saoirse is drop dead gorgeous and FYI, I love Hailee but I don't think she is either but to each their own. What my intention was that they both could've fit into the book version of Hermione, appearance wise. I think this just shows how subjective beauty is. Saoirse Ronan is usually considered drop dead gorgeous though. I mean ...   |
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Post by cherry68 on Feb 1, 2019 23:23:37 GMT
Ronan was too young when the first movie was filmed. Moretz was a toddler. Same with Steinfeld. Yeah, but she acted at a 9th grade level. A la Baby Herman?  |
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Post by Allenism on Feb 2, 2019 0:31:42 GMT
I still think Emma Watson was the perfect choice for Hermione Granger and she did complete justice to the character but this guy with his argument convinced me that someone other than Emma Watson could fit the character, someone that's not drop dead gorgeous. I think Hailee Steinfeld or Saoirse Ronan would fit Hermione, at least appearance wise. What do you think? P.S.: Someone like Sharbs would consider Saorise drop dead gorgeous but I'm going with the general consensus here unless all of MAR has the same opinion as Sharbs. That would be counter productive. Well, they succeeded mightily as is. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 2, 2019 0:55:32 GMT
I don't like the portrayal of Ron in movies too. Think we can agree that it's Steve Kloves' fault. Anyway the guy who did the video said the thing about Watson being attractive doesn't diminish her portrayal. It's one of those exceptional cases but in general though, I agree with him that casting beautiful actors to roles that were not supposed to look beautiful could lessen the way people relate to those characters. Don't you think? I think we relate better to people that look good than to people that don't, even if we're pretty ugly ourselves. Ask a psychologist, but it seems that way to me. It's probably a form of social typing. You may be some fat, neckbearded slob, but if you see a fat, neckbearded slob in a movie, you're likely to identify him as such instead of as "my hero that I should look up to." While the clean shaven lantern jaw of justice has become a cliche to make fun of, it partly exists because of a primal desire to identify yourself as such. If Tyrion was a misshapen dwarf (no matter how good the script or the actor), would we feel as strongly about him? If Hermione was book-ugly, would we accept her as freely? I don't think so, and I think Hollywood recognizes that. On a side note, Emma Watson really bloomed as she grew up, and there'd be no way of knowing if she'd fit the Hollywood standard of beauty as she got older. Rupert Grint is certainly a lot more of a hunk than he was expected to be when he started, and Daniel Radcliffe never grew. Except as an actor, I argue that he's one of the finer comedic actors working today. Dramatically, on the other hand... Exactly, film franchises are always escapist fantasies and being good looking is part of that fantasy. Novels don't have to worry about such things because, unless the writer is really shitty or someone's looks is integral to the plot, a character's general appearance is not being constantly described and reinforced, so the audience doesn't really have to reckon with it. |
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Post by morton on Feb 2, 2019 3:27:32 GMT
As for Hermione, it's hard to divorce Emma Watson's portrayal of the character from the books because we grew up with her and she was playing the role while the books were still being written. But the book's version of Hermione is vastly different from Kloves's take on the character. Kloves, who (rightly) adores Hermione as a great character, wound up sanding off Hermione's less-than-stellar aspects in favor of making her a nigh-faultless being. For example, as brilliant as she is, Hermione is kind of ignorant about wizarding culture/society. Ron has to explain the meaning of the slur "mudblood" to both her and Harry. Ron's usefulness in the trio is highlighted by the fact that he is the only one of the three to grow up in the wizarding world, so he knows a lot of basic survival tips/social cues that the other two largely don't. But Kloves gave a huge amount of that to Hermione to beef her up, and in doing so pretty much shafted Ron as being anything other than a buffoon who says "bloody hell" a lot. As for her appearance, Hermione wasn't described as unattractive; by the midway point of the series, she had guys falling left and right for her (Viktor Krum, Cormac McLaggen). She just had frizzy hair and overlarge front teeth. That's it. I don't think doing all of that to Emma Watson would've served the character better; they just needed to make her a bit more flawed and give Ron more to do to balance the trinity. For Hermione's appearance, I agree that I don't think she was ever meant to be ugly. I think that part of it was that at first Harry wasn't really into girls in the first two books, so he didn't really pay attention. Plus, I don't think that JK Rowling wanted Harry to think Hermione was too attractive as she wrote Hermione and Ron together at the end, and Harry and Ginny together at the end. From Goblet of Fire though, it's clear that she must be attractive as Viktor Krum asks her out when he could ask anyone to the Yule Ball, and she has that moment where everyone is stunned that she doesn't have frizzy hair anymore and that her teeth are different. To me, it was like in all of those movies that No Another Teen Movie parodied where the nerdy "ugly" girl takes off her glasses and lets down her hair, and suddenly everyone is surprised that she was attractive all along. Don't even get me started on the imbalance of the Trio in the movies though. I liked Hermione for what she meant to women readers, but I do wish she had more flaws especially in the films. On the other hand, sometimes I think Rowling should have just dropped Harry even if her publisher didn't think a series of books about a girl would sell as well because he was pretty useless at times and would have been toast if hadn't been for Hermione. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 2, 2019 4:43:00 GMT
Alright, seems like the general consensus I assumed here is not even close to the real one. Still I don't think Saoirse is drop dead gorgeous and FYI, I love Hailee but I don't think she is either but to each their own. What my intention was that they both could've fit into the book version of Hermione, appearance wise. I think this just shows how subjective beauty is. Saoirse Ronan is usually considered drop dead gorgeous though. I mean ... I mean...she’s definitely super attractive but noting about her screams “drop dead gorgeous” |
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 2, 2019 4:52:40 GMT
]I mean...she’s definitely super attractive but noting about her screams “drop dead gorgeous” That term is far more fitting on Saoirse Ronan than on Emma Watson. |
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